So what exactly makes an R/T clone?

[Afflyer]

So when the time comes to transform the "Mistress" from a base model hemi-orange looker, into a Viper Silver R/T head turner- what exactly would I need to do other than get a few R/T emblems for the front and back and put a black R/T stripe on her rear?  All of you alreadly know that the 350 HP 440 growls under her hood.

Do the basic "arrow" insignia mount holes easily swap out and accept the R/T emblems for the grill and tail? 

And what other modifications do I need to do, to make her a damn-fine R/T clone?

Bradley 

[THE CHARGER PUNK]

the grille emblems will swap out find but the tail light panel is a different story you have to weld all the holes shut and drill out holes because in 69 instead of saying charger r/t on the back its just a big R/T emblem and also u will nee the 440 if u wanna go all the way get heavier duty suspension etc.-MATT

[694spdRT]

Torsion bars are heavier, brakes are bigger, and the rear leaf springs are heavier.

[hydroforce]

is it wrong to do as long as you change out those things?

[hotrod98]

There's no right or wrong. Do what makes you happy. It really should have a 440 or 426 to get the respect though. Otherwise, people are going to walk away shaking their heads if you have a 318 R/T. 

[hydroforce]

true.........does a 383 count?

[694spdRT]

true.........does a 383 count?

Only in a Challenger. 

[Khyron]

shaking their heads if you have a 318 R/T.  

damn

[694spdRT]

I drove a 318 2 bbl Ramcharger all through High School.  A set of good duals and turbo mufflers had everyone convinced it was a 440. 

P.S. It was especially fun in low range 2wd on the transfer case. I think the final gear ratio worked out to 6.60 to 1. 

[Chris G.]

Well, if you truly want to make a Clone, you need to start with a correct year color. Viper Silver is not a color you would do a clone in. It sounds like you want the badges and a big block, but the rest you want to fit your tastes. Sound about right?

[Afflyer]

Well, if you truly want to make a Clone, you need to start with a correct year color. Viper Silver is not a color you would do a clone in. It sounds like you want the badges and a big block, but the rest you want to fit your tastes. Sound about right?

Burnt,

    I thought everybody here knew that I've already got a 440 4bbl under the hood?! 

    A4 Buff Silver Metallic was the original color of my Charger. 

    I just thought "Viper" Silver Metallic would look a lot prettier.

    How hard is it to properly do up the back tail panel and place an R/T emblem on the back?  Have any of you done this?

    What's the difference with the weight and size of the torsion bars and rear leaf springs?

    Thanks fellas-

    Bradley 

[cudaken]

 Front bars are called Hemi bars, but the same for a 440.

Rear Springs, 7 springs on the left rear, 6 on the right.

Bigger front and rear yokes for the drive shaft

10 X 3 or is 2.5 drum barkes in the front

10 X 3 in the rear, I think? Have not done brakes for years.

Hemi front sway bar. Same for the 440.

If a clone can be called correct, need proper date code for a 440 and 906 heads from 68-70

HP Exhaust manafolds

3/8 fuel line and fume seprater. That was new to me but Chris has one.

I forget the tire sizes but I like my wider anyway. Where red lines 68-69 not sure on 70's

Brake drums are painted red with road wheels.

Most had chrome exhaust tips, but I think it was CA had down turn tips.

Resanatoirs on Hemis, not sure on a 440.

Out of beer, so going to bed. May have missed something.

                                  Cuda Ken

[HeavyFuel]

     I thought everybody here knew that I've already got a 440 4bbl under the hood?!  

    

How in the world could you assume that?  Oh, I see it now, in the first post you say that we ALL already know you have a 350 hp 440. 

350 sounds a little lite on the ponies if it's runnin' right, but hey it's your post.....

[Ghoste]

I did one once and I don't recall having to fill and drill holes on the taillight panel for the RT badge.  That was over twenty years ago though so I wouldn't bet more than a nickel on my memory.

[Afflyer]

350 sounds a little lite on the ponies if it's runnin' right, but hey it's your post.....

That's because it's not a 440 HP, just a regular 440.

[cudaken]

350 sounds a little lite on the ponies if it's runnin' right, but hey it's your post.....

That's because it's not a 440 HP, just a regular 440.

You think 350 sound's a little lite, read the truth in (Why people lie about HP) posting. Truth starts toward the bottom of page 2.

                                 Cuda Ken

[Afflyer]

Cuda, you and Chris would probably know better than I do on this, but I was lead to believe that the 440HP has 375 horsepower, compared to the regular 440 BB which has only 350.  The guy who just re-appraised my Charger told me that tidbit of info too.  Together, we looked on the top of the intake manifold, just behind the water pump and there was no HP stamped on my 440.  Again, the power steering pump, if you've got it like me, takes away 15 ponies.

Bradley

[Ghoste]

The other thread that Ken is talking discusses advertised horsepower versus actual measured horsepower.  You are quoting advertised figures.

[greenpigs]

Like some have said it's more than putting a 440 under the hood, which you have allready. If it was me I wouldn't bother swapping all the other things out..unless you need bigger brakes or stiffer springs. Just go for the stripe and emblems and upgrade to the "stronger" stuff if you need it.

[Afflyer]

We'll do Greenpigs.  We'll do just that when the time comes for a new paint job.

[HeavyFuel]

350 sounds a little lite on the ponies if it's runnin' right, but hey it's your post.....

That's because it's not a 440 HP, just a regular 440.

You think 350 sound's a little lite, read the truth in (Why people lie about HP) posting. Truth starts toward the bottom of page 2.

                                                 Cuda Ken

I got to that post right after this one.  Your Honor, I would like to have my comment on HP stricken fromm the record. 

I guess a guy has to make sure about the context when talking about HP.  Published vs. dyno at the crank.

[mbandit]

I have the factory manual in front of me, for 440's the #'s are:

1967 thru 1969, RB engine, 4 barrel carb, all with a quoted 10:1 CR, all quoted at 350HP @ 4400 rpm.
1970 model is quoted as 350 HP even though the CR drops to 9.7
1970 with a 6 pack and 10.5:1 CR is quoted as 390HP @ 4700 rpm.

Just for reference, all the 6 pack Hemi's are quoted at 425HP.

It is generally agreed that the CR #'s are all on the high side, I measured mine, cc'd the 906 heads (80cc after skimming) and everything, the CR was nowhere near 10:1.  The HP #'s are all crank HP, there were numerous detail changes thru the years so its not reasonable to assume that the HP stayed at 350.  Its also generally agreed that the factory kept the quoted HP #'s low in order not to tee of the insurance companies.

At the same time I don't think anyone should be under the illusion that their stock 440 ever put out much if anything  over 400HP.  I have a big cam, big carb, ported heads, 1.6 roller rockers, headers, manifold etc, etc, and I still wouldn't brag over 425 for that motor.   Its all a pissing contest anyway, if you like it go fry the tires, if it still ain't enough throw some more money at it, every $1000 should get you 50 HP crank.

[cudaken]

Mbandit, here is the truth as I know it and at the track it works. I did a copt and paste from the posting I was speaking about.


"All well, drunk, wifes friend is over and no 440 to work on so I will post some real numbers. This is a spread. Take a 440 Highs will be 67-71 440's, lows will be after 71. Take it from there, these are the OLD DC Numbers not mine. At the flywheel and no Alt, PS or fan.

318 2 barrel 150-170 Hp
340 4 barrel and 6 barrel 275-290 Hp
360 4 barrel 225-245 Hp
361 4 barrel 240-270 Hp
383 4 barrel AFB, AVS and Holley 260-290 Hp Made me sick owing a 68 Road Runner rated at 335 HP
400 4 barrel TQ 240-270 and right with the 383
413 4 barrel AFB 280-305 Hp and does not count the Maxie
426 Wedge 4 barrel AFB 290-320 HP
426 Maxie Wedge S/S 475-500 HP, 11's stock out of the box, no warranty. Wonder why?
440 4 barrel AFB, AVS, TQ, Holley 270-330 HP
440 6 barrel 3 Holleys 340-370 HP
426 Hemi 8 barrel 2 AFB 390-410

Now a little math. Say you have a 4000 pound car and want a 101 trap speed you only need 340 Hp. If you are hooking good, not great, you will cut 13.20's. That is a little worked with snubber, clamps on the springs and 10" slicks. Power to weight is .085.

Let take a real 500 HP engine with the same rear end set up and it will hurt and 4000 pound car. Power to weight is 0.125 =116 MPH and that is 11.40's

If you look at the math, it is easy to see how a 270 383 can get into the 14.9's. You don't need as much real HP as you do bragging rights HP.

Besides, want to tell the bench racer next to you you run 13.2's with only 340 HP  I do 

Math may be off a little, few cam 2's  where used during the math but will be pretty dam close.

                     Cuda Ken, wanting to kick some more 500 HP Chevys in the ball bearings again"

If they really made 350 HP, they all would run 13.10 stock as a rock mbandit. Read the tread, other people that more than likely know more than me all so agree.

I am not bad mouthing Mopar at all, but sometimes you need the truth even if it huts bragging rights. Have the Pinstar fire in my soul.

                       Cuda Ken

[cudaken]

 Here is the link.  http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=43353a52eeb0067ff964f99755007c3a&topic=4971.0

mbandit, if you have any questions feel free to ask in the Performances Corner in the Engine Trans section. I miss spell just as bad there.

                    Cuda Ken