i hope dodge wont go hybrid!

[Mike DC]

Agreed. 

Unfortunately, we found the most power-effective & cheap way to burn a car the first time - oil.  Oil is literally stored-up power sitting in the ground.  For the last 100 years all we've had to do is scoop it up, filter out the worst of the impurities, and burn it. 
Everything else is gonna be a step down from oil in terms of cost & feasibility. 

We'll be lucky if we find anything cleaner.  Electricity might work at some point but not right now.  We can't generate it cleanly, and we can't even store it very well once we actually have it. 

 

[Steve P.]

Man,,,, GREEN isn't just green.  It hits us all in the pocket as well as the environment.

I still think that ethanol and alcohol deserve a lot more attention but no one in power seems to agree.

Not totallllly true, Bull. The rejects, I mean politicians here in Florida are actually looking into building up E/85 and pure ethanol plants here. We have a few police departments using home grown and I believe they are soon to start some buses on it. 

Florida politicians get hammered every time they gather in Florida cities as the VEGGIE MOBILES always show up and make everyone hungry with their FRENCH FRY MOBILES. This gets the media asking questions of the polars that they cannot answer.. Simple questions like, (How is it that this young man over here with no shoes on his feet or teeth in his head can drive his car on used French Fry oil and you can't figure out even why you feel hungry)?

My .02 is simple. For all of us with gas hungry machines, be them new or old, we need to grow our fuel. The same goes for Diesel. Henry Ford had it right wanting to use the diesel engine instead of gas. Diesels can run on about anything. That is what they were designed for.. Hydrogen will probably be the future, but we may just find that we can produce Ethanol cars to run just as well or better than our gas cars. It would put many thousands of people to work and we can save the carbon/oil for things like plastics, tires and lubricants.

[Steve P.]

Agreed. 

Unfortunately, we found the most power-effective & cheap way to burn a car the first time - oil.  Oil is literally stored-up power sitting in the ground.  For the last 100 years all we've had to do is scoop it up, filter out the worst of the impurities, and burn it. 
Everything else is gonna be a step down from oil in terms of cost & feasibility. 

We'll be lucky if we find anything cleaner.  Electricity might work at some point but not right now.  We can't generate it cleanly, and we can't even store it very well once we actually have it. 

 

Not true Mike. We are buying way, way, way more oil from other countries. It has to be shipped here either by sea or piped or by truck. All of these other vehicles cost and cost big. Then it must be refined. That again is a huge cost. Then back to the pipes, tanks and trucks. 
Well, if WE grow it, (emphasis on WE), this will create jobs. When WE are no longer at war over oil WE will need jobs for those not overseas fighting. We will always need crude oil for many thing that most of us have no idea are made with oil. The list is very very long. At any rate it will cost us to grow, harvest and squeeze our home grown fuel. This is very true. BUT,,, it will be much cheaper than spending billions of dollars elsewhere and brutally losing life after life in pursuit of oil..   

[hutch]

well look at what buring our food supply has done,  grain prices are way up, beef prices are going way way up.  I think we need to burn less of our food supply and start to to make more gas than we do.  We have access to tons of oil.  why beat around the bush and deal with tossing out the good old gas burning engine sure make it better. but dont toss it out.  I remember when you could buy a nice car for  under 2k.  now with all the crap the goverment makes auto makers add for safty and emissions, cars cost 20K and its going up. its stupid.  Spend billions on research for something as simple as a car?  its a waste of money and all it does is produce expensive cars normal people cant afford.

[Steve P.]

Hutch, If you are old enough to remember being able to buy a car for $2K, then you are old enough to remember what our air quality was like back then as well. Maybe you just don't want to.. It was terrible..

Nobody is looking to throw away our gas eating monsters. Just to burn something other than GASOLINE in them.

Everything goes up in price. BURNING FOOD, as you put it, is not exactly what is happening. The stalks from corn, grasses, bark, weeds etc. are what I am talking about turning into Ethanol. Many other things as well. And no we are not turning cows into fuel. But the shit they leave behind can be turned into fuel..... 

Right now Ethanol cost more to make than gas. What you have to understand is that oil will not be around forever. We are paying a monstrous price for it now. (WAR)... (LIVES).....  For what?? So we don't have to make a few changes in our lives?? E/85 is in many areas now in the West and Mid-West. Is it killing anyone out there?? Have you been hearing about the terrible things that are caused by it?? NO... 

When people figured out how to make gas they had no idea it's potential. They also had no idea they were killing all kinds of life dumping the NON-GASOLINE products into the local reservoirs. We are not living in the early 1900's. We understand better today about action and reaction. What is killing us is that people are afraid to open their minds and try something new. Horse and buggy and stage coaches were before cars. People didn't want cars around. Then steam engines. What would be so bad about running your car on water??

The day will come when we have no choice. I would rather we are smart about things now and not when it's too late..