Learned something interesting about buildsheet decoding today.

[694spdRT]

This may be old news to some of you guys but, I was talking with Andy from Andy440.com at a show today.

On the buildsheet lines 3, 4, and 5 that do NOT have letter codes...the last two numbers of the part number are what is in each box. For example, my buildsheet is only partially there so some of the missing information from the lower section can be decoded by using the parts description and then comparing the last two digits in the box to that of old part numbers.

Here is my buildsheet showing lines 3-4-5. I have not had a chance to dig into this yet but he seemed to know what he was talking about. 

Please tell me I am not the only one who didn't know this. 

[Alaskan_TA]

Andy knows his stuff.  

I got a dollar that says you were at the Mopars on the Mississippi show?  

T/Ake care,
Barry

[694spdRT]

Andy knows his stuff. 

I got a dollar that says you were at the Mopars on the Mississippi show? 

T/Ake care,
Barry

You're right. I met him at the Charger Registry meet in June and he came over to look at my Charger. He only lives about 25 miles from me. I posted a few pics in another thread from the show today.

Andy's green '69 Bee is in this pic.

[Alaskan_TA]

Andy told me that he would be there, so I cheated. 

His Bee is awesome, I love green. 

T/Ake care,
Barry

[MoparYoungGun]

Don't feel to bad, I didn't know that either!

[Dodge Don]

Andy is correct. Often the codes are the last 2 digits of the part number and in many cases the last 2 digits of the assembly part number which is not a part number you'll find in the parts manual.

Just a humble suggestion, but if the 69 Registry get's enough broadcast sheets in their database they could begin developing a 69 Charger broadcast sheet decoder like the 3 ones we have for the 70 Charger Registry (R/T, 500, Base). It's alot of work, but once you have a healthy database it gets easier.

[Charger4404spd]

I didnt know that either. I'll have to dig mine out and take a closer look. Thanks!

[69_500]

Just out of curiousity, but how many broadcast sheets does the 70 Registry have? I don't know how many Chris has for the 69 Registry, but if he wanted a copy of some, I do believe I have about 15 copies of broadcast sheets here.

[ChargerSG]

Dident know that either....

[PocketThunder]

   thats news to me!

[hemigeno]

Yep, Andy's right.   You can't fill in ALL the blanks, but you can get some things figured out.

For instance, on line 3 of your buildsheet, the first box is for the steering column.   Non-power steering cars have a 42 there, but this car has a 43, which indicates the car has power steering.   So down on Line 10, your sheet would have S77 on it - for power steering.   Also, you can tell the car had a partial horn ring steering wheel by observing the "12" under the Steering Wheel header - which means Line 10 would show S79.   Things like that...

It can be somewhat maddening to get to the bottom of every single number, and I've only figured out a few things, but you can learn a lot by comparing a number of broadcast sheets, like I'm sure Andy has already done.   I'm still learning what it all means, and probably won't ever figure it all out.

[Shakey]

I'm still learning what it all means, and probably won't ever figure it all out.

Yes you will, you are still young!

[hemigeno]

I'm still learning what it all means, and probably won't ever figure it all out.

Yes you will, you are still young!

Not if you ask my 7-year old boy.  He actually referred to me as "old" earlier this year... 

It doesn't help that I'm turning 39 this Friday.

[694spdRT]

Yep, Andy's right.   You can't fill in ALL the blanks, but you can get some things figured out.

For instance, on line 3 of your buildsheet, the first box is for the steering column.   Non-power steering cars have a 42 there, but this car has a 43, which indicates the car has power steering.   So down on Line 10, your sheet would have S77 on it - for power steering.   Also, you can tell the car had a partial horn ring steering wheel by observing the "12" under the Steering Wheel header - which means Line 10 would show S79.   Things like that...

It can be somewhat maddening to get to the bottom of every single number, and I've only figured out a few things, but you can learn a lot by comparing a number of broadcast sheets, like I'm sure Andy has already done.   I'm still learning what it all means, and probably won't ever figure it all out.

Thanks for the info...I see under fan there is a "15". That would correlate to the correct fan number for my car. Also, under wheel cover I see "64" is that the W11 cap then?

[hemigeno]

The only other things I can help out with based on the portion of the sheet posted is:

The car had 14" Steel Wheels, but I don't know which of the full wheel covers were provided when "64" was coded on the upper part of the sheet. I know from looking at other cars that this one did NOT use poverty/dogdish caps (Code "89") - you can also surmise that since the wheels are painted X9 (Black) rather than body color.   Line 10 uses the wheel cover codes that are listed in the Dealer Data Book, but I don't have enough broadcast sheets to cross-reference which part number is coded up top.   Someone else can probably fill you in on those.

It would have N65 (Torque Drive Fan) marked, but it does not have N51 MaxCool since it has the 055 radiator.   The fan should be the 215 in that case as well.

Carb (on Line 3, torn off) would be 78, Choke = 45, both since it has the 915 engine code

A33 would be coded on Line 6, for the 3.54 Dana TrackPak option

You could tell that it had power brakes even if Line 6 was not visible, since it has the "66" vacuum line fitting coded, and you could know it had 11" rear drum brakes (which would require 11" front drums as well) because of the 596 axle code.

Line 3 under Steering Column, the "11" indicates the use of a floor shifter.   If this was an auto car, it would mean the car had to have a console.   Since this is a 4-speed, it could still be a non-console car, but because you can see C16 you already know it had the console.

There is some significance (that I'm not aware of) to the "12" under block 1 on Line 5, right after the tire pressure label.

That's about it for what I can do, besides listing the codes that automatically come with a Charger R/T.   


Gene

[hemigeno]

Also, under wheel cover I see "64" is that the W11 cap then?

It could still be the W15 or W18 wheel covers in addition to the W11s you mentioned.  If someone else has a full broadcast sheet with "64" on Line 3, they could tell you what the corresponding code on Line 10 would be.  You might already know what that means, but I don't have a way to tell myself (sorry).

[694spdRT]

Thanks for all the help Hemigeno. How is the 055 radiator different than the 054? I seem to think mine is 054..I will check it out. I have the fender tag also so I know most of the basics, it has the track pak, power brakes, power steering, console, stripe delete, black top, and red interior.

I will be down at Monster Mopar weekend with it so maybe I will see you there. I remember seeing your '69 there a couple years ago and taking a picture of it.

[4402tuff4u]

I did'nt know that either. Always glad to learn something new. To bad I don't have my buildsheet!!

[hemigeno]

Thanks for all the help Hemigeno. How is the 055 radiator different than the 054? I seem to think mine is 054..I will check it out. I have the fender tag also so I know most of the basics, it has the track pak, power brakes, power steering, console, stripe delete, black top, and red interior.

I will be down at Monster Mopar weekend with it so maybe I will see you there. I remember seeing your '69 there a couple years ago and taking a picture of it.

No problem, glad I could help out.

As far as I know, the 055 is a 2 core radiator, whereas the 054 is a 3 core.   They have essentially the same top and bottom tanks, but the thickness of the core is different.   Others have said their 055 radiator is 3 core, but I suspect they have been recored at some point in time and changed to a 3-core.   I'm actually considering doing that very thing with my Daytona's radiator (it has the original 2-core 055 still in it).   Daytonas are VERY prone to overheating problems with that skimpy little air inlet in the nose.   055's are intended for use in manual trans 383/440 cars without the MaxCool package.   If you have an 054, sell it...   You'll easily get enough for a used 054 to pay for a re-cored (3 core of course) 055, and have the exact same thing - plus it would be correct for your car.

Look me up at MMW - I'll be there Saturday and Sunday, probably hanging around the Wing Car area quite a bit.   My friend Rich Bolzenius (who has a LemonTwist 6-pack 4-speed 'Bird) normally puts together the Wing Car gathering - he just had surgery on his arm so I'm going to try and pick up the slack on his behalf.   

[694spdRT]

According to Galens white book the A33 Track Pak option it consisited of the 3.54 Dana, Sure grip, Maximum cooling, 7 blade torque drive fan and Hemi suspension. Available only with 426 and 440 engines with 4 speed transmission only. N/A with A/C.

Is that info wrong or is the above mentioned maximum cooling somehow different as to not include the 054 radiator?

As a side note I just had the radiator recored and I think the shop said it is a 4 core. I know it was a special order core that cost a little more than he first qouted. If I remember right the total bill was $275, so still not too bad. 

My car will idle at 170 degrees all day long so it must be working.

[hemigeno]

Yeah, my Daytona has the A33 TrackPak as well, but its build sheet is also coded for the 055 radiator.

For the longest time, Galen's books did not "allow" the possibility of an 055 in a Daytona - his books said they MUST be 054s.   That changed in a later edition, as the 2001 version of Vol. 1 doesn't stipulate 054-only in the Daytonas.

Here's the rundown of A33 from the 1969 Dealer Data Book, which I trust a lot more than GG (but even this DDB has a couple of errors):

Track Pak
Code A33
(Available with 4-speed Manual Transmission w/ 440 or Hemi.   N.A. w/ AC)
> 4-speed Heavy-Duty Manual Transmission with Hurst Shifter with Wood-Grained Shift Knob and Reverse Warning Light (available in Package only)
> 3.54 H.D.. 9-3/4" Dana Rear Axle
> 7-Blade Torque Drive Fan (Std. Hemi)
> Dual Breaker Distributor (Std. Hemi)
> 26" High Perf. Radiator w/ Fan Shroud (Std. Hemi)
> Sure-Grip Differential

In that description, it does not specifically mention that the MaxCool system is required - only that a 26" radiator was used.   I was surprised to learn a few months back that you could get a 440 HP with a 22" radiator if certain equipment was on the car  

[694spdRT]

I was surprised to learn a few months back that you could get a 440 HP with a 22" radiator if certain equipment was on the car 

In 1969? I know that happened in 1968.

So for arguments sake the 054 would then only be found in max cooling cars and Hemi's?  The radiator in my car sure seems to be original and has been there at least since 1972. With my July 8th, 1969 build date maybe it was just thrown in to get it out the door.    

My inaccurate as all heck parts interchange manual calls out the 055 for 383 and 440's with A/C and 052 police 383 and 440's as an interchange for 054.   

[Dodge Don]

Just out of curiousity, but how many broadcast sheets does the 70 Registry have? I don't know how many Chris has for the 69 Registry, but if he wanted a copy of some, I do believe I have about 15 copies of broadcast sheets here.

Alot. And adding more every week.

Some codes have to be cross referenced between other established option codes to come to the final conclusion....and by have a database of broadcast sheets to compare against helps figure out the mysteries.