Rebuild numbers engine or stow it and do a transplant?

[jerry]

all this couda woulda shoulda about a numbers matching motor is just what i was saying. you all say the same thing but no one can say its the right motor for car even the guy that owns it says that. so you are wasting your ink pointing that out .he wanted to know if he should rebuild the motor he has that is in question . his car is 39 yrs old and if this motor is the original and still around in one peice and he rebuilds  it, it should out live both he and the car unless he plans to start drag racing his very rare 2-bbl charger and even then he would never blow the motor.this is my opinion on the question he ask.
this is my opinion on the rare carb option. i would give less for the car if it was a 2-bbl . rare doesn't mean desireable when we are talking muscle cars. a 318 or slant six will bring the same money as this car.

[bull]

Tell us about your Charger again, jerry. I keep missing that part. I think you've moved beyond simply 'obtuse' to 'blithering idiot.'

Anyway, to the rest of you who don't have small man's complex: I think it would be good to see about finding another 383 block that might have a late '67 casting date to put in my fake muscle car. I found a couple of 383 and 440 blocks on craigs list but I think they were both '66. Like Dan says, these engines are getting hard to find. I used to be able to call the local rebuilder to get prices on 440s and 383s but when I called them the other day they only had one 440, he said for a motor home.

[jerry]

i see you got my point .which is what i was trying to help you with.hope it makes it easier for you to make up your mind. :my cars are not near as rare as yours so i won't bore you with the details.the best thing about my car is the plugs are easy to change because they are in the center of valve cover and it has the heavy hemi 4-sp with a very heavy 410 dana rear end and won't get near the gas mpg as your 2-bbl.everything about this car is big and heavy radiator fuel line rear springs .i wonder how it even gets out of its own way but thats all i have.

[terrible one]

Bull,

Personally, I would definitely go towards building another engine for your car. I wouldn't want to risk losing the (highly likely) numbers matching block, because you never know what could happen. If you do decide on going with another engine, why not go ahead and put a 440 in there?

Jerry,

You show your ignorance with every post. Furthermore, you can't tell that you are completely making a fool of yourself. I'd like to find another person who thinks that a 318 car will bring the same money as a 383 4spd car, given the same conditions. Personally, I think you are lying out of your ass when it comes to your car too. Anyone can type it onto a forum. How about some pictures and numbers?

[hemigeno]

my cars are not near as rare as yours so i won't bore you with the details.the best thing about my car is the plugs are easy to change because they are in the center of valve cover and it has the heavy hemi 4-sp with a very heavy 410 dana rear end and won't get near the gas mpg as your 2-bbl.everything about this car is big and heavy radiator fuel line rear springs .i wonder how it even gets out of its own way but thats all i have.

jerry, it is comments exactly like yours that almost makes me want to apologize for being the owner of a Hemicar myself.  Guys like you that run down other cars that "don't measure up" to your standards are what is slowly sending the Mopar hobby down the road to Corvette-ism.

May that never happen...

[Ghoste]

Jerry, I thought you had a Six Pack RR or Bee?

[bull]

i see you got my point .which is what i was trying to help you with.hope it makes it easier for you to make up your mind. :my cars are not near as rare as yours so i won't bore you with the details.the best thing about my car is the plugs are easy to change because they are in the center of valve cover and it has the heavy hemi 4-sp with a very heavy 410 dana rear end and won't get near the gas mpg as your 2-bbl.everything about this car is big and heavy radiator fuel line rear springs .i wonder how it even gets out of its own way but thats all i have.

Oh, you're talking about that little 270 2bbl, right? Come now, if you insist on pulling your pants down to compare let's not be doubling the tape measure over.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,21285.msg234257.html#msg234257
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,18313.msg202278.html#msg202278

the transmission is a 2 speed auto with shifter on dash. i am new to all this foward look cars as they call them [55-61]. i have heard that the 270 poly and the 270 hemi share alot of parts.this car is in real nice shape for sitting in a barn for 35 yrs. i pulled the heads and the cyl walls look fine with no rust. but it is stuck. i used some PB blaster on it, now i guess its a wating game. car has 50,000 miles on it.

in 55 the dodge royal , custom royal and royal lancer came with the 270 poly , or the 270 hemi.
both engines are 2-bbl.

Should I mock you now because I have more CI and a four speed instead of a push button two speed? I've never really understood Classic Mopar fans who mock other Classic Mopar fans over their choice in Classic Mopars. This is a Charger website after all and if you mock one guy who owns a '68 big block four speed you're actually mocking a lot of people here. Get over yourself, punk. Owning a $500 '55 red ram with a stuck little 2bbl engine is not really a great place to start if you've decided to take on the task of 'arrogant bastard' on a Dodge Charger website. I know guys with pristine, numbers-matching 426 hemi cars who've got better attitudes than you. Do you work at hlpag by chance?

[Shakey]

So Bull - did you make up your mind yet?

I guess the bottom line depends on what you are going to do with the car.  If it's going to be judged in a car show(s) - then stick with the 383, either the one you have or the one you might buy.

If you feel that the one you have is the original and you'd like to sell the car one day, go grab another and build it up.

And I almost forgot - 

[bull]

So Bull - did you make up your mind yet?

I guess the bottom line depends on what you are going to do with the car.  If it's going to be judged in a car show(s) - then stick with the 383, either the one you have or the one you might buy.

If you feel that the one you have is the original and you'd like to sell the car one day, go grab another and build it up.

And I almost forgot - 

I think if I can find a cheap 383 block I'll grab it. I really don't care about car shows other than having something to drive there. I may not take my Charger to them at all. I like the annual Charger meet in Kent, WA and the Mopar Nationals in Woodburn, OR and there's one other little one up in Camas, WA that's pretty cool.

Maybe I'll find a stuck 270, rebuilt that and put it in the '68 for better fuel economy and to keep myself from getting speeding tickets.

One other thing while we're on the topic of the numbers game. It's not too difficult to fudge a '69+ number too even though they have the VIN pad on the right down by the pan. I have a friend who did it to a '70 Cuda, but he told the buyer he did it when it was sold. All the did was mill the pad down a little and restamp it. Apparently the casting number was close too.

[jerry]

bull ,.i have 2- 55 dodges a 270 4bbl flactory hemi and a 270 poly in another. but i don't recall either of them having a 4-speed as they are automatics.see even back then you could get a 4-bbl. the little ole ladies even drove them.i do have a couple real big block b -bodies but as i said before ,they would never compare to your rare car .   :icon_smile_big  :i don't collect anything older then a 69.these 1955 cars are very good trading material. you must be an old fart to almost know a little about a 55 dodge. is that why you are so moody on here? :yesnod:i guess that answeres why you are so stuck on a 2-bbl 383 charger. i mean a rare 2-bbl charger. i well leave you alone it must be past your bedtime. have a good one.

[bull]

bull ,.i have 2- 55 dodges a 270 4bbl flactory hemi and a 270 poly in another. but i don't recall either of them having a 4-speed as they are automatics.see even back then you could get a 4-bbl. the little ole ladies even drove them.i do have a couple real big block b -bodies but as i said before ,they would never compare to your rare car .   :icon_smile_big  :i don't collect anything older then a 69.these 1955 cars are very good trading material. you must be an old fart to almost know a little about a 55 dodge. is that why you are so moody on here? :yesnod:i guess that answeres why you are so stuck on a 2-bbl 383 charger. i mean a rare 2-bbl charger. i well leave you alone it must be past your bedtime. have a good one.

Sorry, I tend to get moody around arrogant assholes. But I did happen to notice how you toned it down quite a bit since your line of BS was exposed. If you ever manage to ratchet your attitude all the way down and start acting like a normal human I'm sure we'll all get along just fine.

[Scatpack]

3 million 383 were built & numerous 400s I would grab one & build it instead of the #S engine

I agree

[SeattleCharger]

                 Hey Bull, didn't know you lived in Portland, met you at the Kent DodgeCharger.com meet this summer.  Good luck!

[bull]

                Hey Bull, didn't know you lived in Portland, met you at the Kent DodgeCharger.com meet this summer.  Good luck!

Oh yea? Did you bring your car along? Which one were you?

[SeattleCharger]

                Hey Bull, didn't know you lived in Portland, met you at the Kent DodgeCharger.com meet this summer.  Good luck!

Oh yea? Did you bring your car along? Which one were you?

I hope I can bring my car next year, didn't have a trailer, or well, tow truck more like it, 

     hmm, prob. reminder would be that I am a little over 6'6",   last person to win the raffle, although it was a courtesy win care of Mark and Mike,

[bull]

Yea, I remember. It's not easy making the connection between this site and in-person meetings. It took me a while to discern who the Washingtonians were on this site but now that I've met TK73, 8WHEELER, triple green and AllBlueRT/472 R/T SE in person three or four times it has become old hat. I still need to get to know RallyeMike and a few others from up there, you included. I hope that meet attracts more souls and cars next summer. I'd hate to see it go away.

[Steve P.]

since you don't even know if its the original block and there is nothing rare about it to begin with and you can't make up your mind what you are doing without asking a bunch of strangers then i would  put it in the car and forget about it. just my opinion

Who the hell are you calling STRANGERS??  I've known Bull, (CURTIS), for more than 3 years. We have had many a good conversations. I think it's a very valid question and exactly the right place to ask it.

Bull, my vote goes to building a secondary 383 or 400 or 440. WHY take a chance on adding windows or a shower to the factory #s motor?? Your kids will know that the correct motor is under the bench.. Even if they DON"T want a factory 2BBL 383 under the hood, they know if the necessity ever did show it's ugly head and the car had to be sold they would have the correct motor to go with the car.

The reason it's so costly to buy #s matching muscle cars is because SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO many were windowed before anyone cared about #s matching.

Another thing Bull, DON'T TALK TO STRANGERS..