Which 69 Charger do you buy? Why?

[RCCthatsme]

https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars/1969/dodge/charger/100856307






http://willowautomotive.motorcarsites.com/vehicle/122020/1969-dodge-charger--rt-se-for-sale-in-chicago-il-60616





http://www.classiccardeals.com/Vehicle/location-Cadillac-Michigan-vehiclesforsale/128074/1969-Dodge-Charger-RT.aspx

[69 OUR/TEA]

None of the above , they are all overpriced for the flaws I can pick apart on the pictures , never mind in person . But , the green one is probably the nicest ( except for the smoothed out valance corners ).

[Challenger340]

Neither for those amounts.
This could get ugly if you turn the experts here loose ? Many very sharp eyes on here.

If they are 'SE" cars, where is the Rocker chrome ?  

As stated, for the money LOTS of problems just from the few Pics ?  But IMO, still nice cars.

[RCCthatsme]

Any cars out there for sale you recommend?

[Challenger340]

Any cars out there for sale you recommend?

Everyone's tastes are different, so ultimately it depends on what your expectations are ?
What I mean is some people are looking strictly at investment value, numbers, originality, and yet others are looking for driving quality, appearances, colors, performance ? and unfortunately, all factors in a Car can have differing valuations for different Buyer's ?

Those 2 candidates look to be very nice Cars, but obviously, both have had very extensive work performed and therein lies the pitfalls so frequently found and illustrated for correction on this and other forums ?
For example of what I am talking about here:
Many Cars are advertised as "numbers matching" Engine, as a banner of authenticity in Sales/marketing practice, as in..... "original #'s matching 375 hp 440 Magnum rebuilt to factory specs", many with Pictures verifying the Block Serial # the same as the dash VIN, etc., etc.
Now,
if you are buying a Charger R/T for any kind of "performance" experience ? Be extremely suspicious of the "rebuilt to factory specs" statement ?
Because,
unless they can provide a very detailed list of the parts used internally in the so-called "numbers matching" 440 Engine ?
You may very well indeed be purchasing a Charger R/T with the original "numbers matching" 440 Engine rebuilt to 230 HP smogger motorhome Engine specs that is an embarrassment to a musclecar !
read here:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,118292.0.html

Just say'in....
it is really common to see "rebuilt to factory specs", original and "numbers matching" 375 hp 440 Magnum Engines, get REBUILT into embarrassing terds !  At which point if you are buying a "musclecar" and paying a premium for a "numbers matching" performance engine ? WHO CARES if it's been turned into a terd ?

[DAY CLONA]

Neither, you save the coin for a nice 70 instead....

[69 OUR/TEA]

Neither for those amounts.
This could get ugly if you turn the experts here loose ? Many very sharp eyes on here.

If they are 'SE" cars, where is the Rocker chrome ?  

As stated, for the money LOTS of problems just from the few Pics ?  But IMO, still nice cars.

The rocker moldings were not standard on an SE , it was still an option , I see you have it as do I , but most of the time the ones I see don't .

[RCCthatsme]

The more I enter the forum, the more it would appear I am searching for a unicorn, not a car!     

I had thought a $70K budget would get me there, but I appear to be well under market unless I want a jacked up done, wrong, laughed at pile of over priced junkyard steel.   

That said, I do appreciate the education. 

[crj1968]

http://www.cars-on-line.com/gen3-cars/col1/posting/89046   

[charge69]

The price of these cars seems to get crazier and crazier and getting into a good specimen seems to just get harder.  Take a good look at the link crj1968 provided as it seems to be a good choice.
Man, crazy money from even just a few years ago but .......................... they only made so many and ..................................... good examples for a reasonable price just seem to get harder and harder to find !

Good luck !

[Challenger340]

Neither for those amounts.
This could get ugly if you turn the experts here loose ? Many very sharp eyes on here.

If they are 'SE" cars, where is the Rocker chrome ?  

As stated, for the money LOTS of problems just from the few Pics ?  But IMO, still nice cars.

The rocker moldings were not standard on an SE , it was still an option , I see you have it as do I , but most of the time the ones I see don't .

Thanks, that's good to know as I am still learning the numbers/options thing on these Cars ?
BTW, Do you happen to know what "code" Rocker Chrome was ?

[6bblgt]

M25 = "Sill Mouldings" (rocker) - $21.15

[polywideblock]

none of the above .     for the same money you can get this ,paint the rear spoiler the correct colour and have a very nice car
https://classiccars.com/listings/view/904512/1970-dodge-charger-r-t-for-sale-in-st-louis-missouri-63114

[RCCthatsme]

none of the above .     for the same money you can get this ,paint the rear spoiler the correct colour and have a very nice car
https://classiccars.com/listings/view/904512/1970-dodge-charger-r-t-for-sale-in-st-louis-missouri-63114

The goal has been the 69 for reasons stated.  My first car, my father was part of the design team, etc. but he was also part of this design AND... this is a nice looking car!  Thanks.  I will definitely look into this one.)

[F8-4life]

You defiantly want to avoid the f8 green car, else your fate be winding up in the green chargers thread with a chip on your shoulder. LOL

[BDF]

You defiantly want to avoid the f8 green car, else your fate be winding up in the green chargers thread with a chip on your shoulder. LOL

Green is nice. Join the club!

[Cncguy]

Don't buy either at that price, your only going to fuel the car flipping assholes that are ruining this hobby.

[alfaitalia]

How does car flipping ruin the hobby for anyone??? Unless things are very different over there. A buyer wont pay over the odds....buying from a trader (flipper as you say) or not. Unless they have some magic power to make people buy at high prices, I don't see the problem. Prices for used cars are set buy supply and demand...always have been. Flippers wont change that.

[Cncguy]

I'm guessing your a flipper. Market value is determined by no reserve auction. If you buy a car at 40k then turn around in the same week and list it for 60k+ Your scamming the people who don't pay attention to price trends. They log into eBay thinking the found a good deal and hit buy it now. Later most assuredly regretting it.

[alfaitalia]

I do flip the odd (non classic) car to fund my Charger.....but usually only one or two a year....don't have the time! If someone is stupid enough to pay the 60k..in your example....for a 40k car...more fool them. Half the folks who get rich do it by taking advantage of the gullible...makes the world go round...lol! So either the man who sold it for 40 was unaware of its actual value or the buyer was stupid and paid over for it....neither of which is the flippers fault. He was smart enough to see an opportunity to make a few bucks...which of us would not do the same....or are you so nice that you would tell the buyer not to pay so much for your car!

[Kern Dog]

I suspect that many of the people that despise "flippers" do so out of jealousy. These people may be short on cash and envy the guys that somehow dig up these great deals.
Nobody wants to pay more than they have to pay. The rare instances where a "flipper" makes an unusual high dollar sale probably involves a buyer with deep pockets and limited time to look elsewhere.

[ElDoradoCuda]

I don't consider buying a car for $40k and attempting to re-sell it for $60k to be scamming anyone.  To me scamming is misrepresenting something about a vehicle you are selling regardless of price.  If you are completely honest about what you are selling, then it is not scamming, regardless of what you paid for it.  I had purchased cars from people that flat out said they got a killer deal they could not pass up, and were reselling it.  What do I care what they paid if I am willing to pay their asking price?  If they got the car for free I would not expect them to give it to me.
I don't flip cars professionally, but sometimes will make a profit reselling a car that I happened to find a deal on in pursuit of our hobby.  For example, a friend of mine was selling 2 Mustangs he wanted to dump quickly, but did not want to go through Craigslist for personal reasons.  I bought the cars from him, and am hoping to sell one for the price I paid for both.  I told him that was my plan, and he knew I would be pulling them out of the goat pasture they were located in, cleaning them up, and having to deal with all the morons that would be calling from Craigslist.  His attitude was 'more power to you'.  I actually am selling the 'good' rust free car and keeping the 'bad' rusty car to try to learn to weld well enough to tackle my rusty Chargers. 

[Kern Dog]

Way to go, Cuda...
I try to attach common sense to the whole thing, not emotion. The common adage ....what the market will bear resonates with me. I have bought worn out cars and "restored" them to sell on ebay. I've sold 8 cars in 12 years and NONE of them except one went for more money than I expected. I always seem to overestimate the market. I'm learning though. The market is hot for some cars and tepid for others. A few cars I've had took 5 efforts on ebay to sell. This told me what the market thought my car was worth. My reserve price is more realistic now because the last 3 cars I listed sold the first time out.

[polywideblock]

did you end up making a decision /getting one ?

[hemi-hampton]

Nothing wrong with a car flipper, what is wrong are the over priced dealers that sell bondoed up Earl Scheib garbage also known as Perfume on a Pig. These cars look nice with their shiny new paint job to the unknowledgable ametuer with to much money in there pocket. Endless supply of these clueless buyers keep these overpriced cars selling. Raising the price of everybody's car & giving a unrealistic over inflated price to all the cars. Just my  LEON.