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Should I invest in a "Motive Power Bleeder"?

Started by b5blue, February 22, 2015, 08:03:25 AM

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b5blue

   I need reviews to decide if it's worth investing 73.00 for this thing? Should I just get my old stuff out and do it the way I have or go full tilt and get the big set that includes all the adapters because it so frigging great I'll make a killing doing everyone's cars?
   Looks decent for a one man operation but in the end, when done....won't brake fluid slop all over the place when I remove the top plate? Is the funky J strap/chain worth a dam or just get a big C clamp to use?
  Thanks for any input, I'm doing a major overhaul/disk swap on the 70 Charger and will be flushing my Jeep's brakes system soon also. (Anyone know what cap fits an 89 XJ Cherokee clutch master cylinder?)

http://www.jegs.com/i/Motive+Products/715/0105/10002/-1?CAWELAID=1710643279&CAGPSPN=pla&catargetid=230006180000848287&cadevice=c&gclid=CMiPn7PM9cMCFVAvgQod8IYAxw

bill440rt

Great timing, Neal.  :cheers:
I was going to start a thread today too asking about one-man pressure bleeders. I'm in the market for one also, just trying to find one that really works well. I don't mind paying (within reason) for a good one as long as it works well.

I saw an old thread where you had an air powered one from Harbor Freight? I saw mixed reviews on it, how did it work and are you still using it??  :popcrn:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

Charger-Bodie

 I bought a Phoenix reverse bleeder . It's mor money ,but does work nice. Have to take it nice and slow though because the lid needs to be off of the master.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

b5blue

Quote from: bill440rt on February 22, 2015, 10:05:05 AM
Great timing, Neal.  :cheers:
I was going to start a thread today too asking about one-man pressure bleeders. I'm in the market for one also, just trying to find one that really works well. I don't mind paying (within reason) for a good one as long as it works well.

I saw an old thread where you had an air powered one from Harbor Freight? I saw mixed reviews on it, how did it work and are you still using it??  :popcrn:
Hi Bill!  :wave: Good memory! HF works by running compressed air past a nozzle to create vacuum. I had to remove the safety tip and crank up the pressure and let it rip WFO quite a bit but it worked when my "Mighty Vac" hand pump did nothing. Installing all new stuff for the brake job means starting bone dry again so the plan just may be to use both! The HF bleeder will work as a large catch can at the very least this time. Committed to regular fluid changes annually starting with a fresh hydraulics system and normally having no help is why I'm chiming in.
  I'd vote the HF bleeder as worth what it costs in general utility for what's included, just get a 20% off coupon or catch a sale. (The trick when working solo is keeping the master full, it has a QT. bottle for round top masters that is useless for our masters.  :2thumbs:

1970Moparmann

A friend has a Power Bleeder, and likes it a lot.
My name is Mike and I'm a Moparholic!

b5blue

  After seeing some positive remarks around here in other topics and thinking over my last post I ordered one from JEGs. If I don't like it they will refund me. I like not needing a helper or worrying if the master runs out. If it is or isn't good look here for an update!   :2thumbs: 

bill440rt

"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

terrible one

I have one and would say it is worth it, but for our older style m/c you need the adapter plate which is a little finicky. But maybe modern m/c's with twist on caps just have me spoiled. Oh and it is eerily similar to a pump up garden/ pesticide sprayer. I wonder if one of those could be adapted for half the price?

To avoid a mess, I've never actually filled the power bleeder with brake fluid. I top off the m/c and use the power bleeder to pressurize what's in there. I've done a few bleeds this way, including wheel cylinder swaps, brake valve rebuild/ swaps, etc. where a lot of air was in the system and haven't had to stop and add fluid to the m/c

Mopar Nut

I like my Motive Power Bleeder, but remember to use a "C" clamp, worked excellent. Too bad you are not closer, I would let you borrow it. This is good to have because the brakes should be bleed every two years.
"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

b5blue

Thanks! Just a plain big C clamp, easy enough!  :2thumbs: 

Just 6T9 CHGR

Quote from: terrible one on February 22, 2015, 03:03:08 PM
I have one and would say it is worth it, but for our older style m/c you need the adapter plate which is a little finicky. But maybe modern m/c's with twist on caps just have me spoiled. Oh and it is eerily similar to a pump up garden/ pesticide sprayer. I wonder if one of those could be adapted for half the price?

To avoid a mess, I've never actually filled the power bleeder with brake fluid. I top off the m/c and use the power bleeder to pressurize what's in there. I've done a few bleeds this way, including wheel cylinder swaps, brake valve rebuild/ swaps, etc. where a lot of air was in the system and haven't had to stop and add fluid to the m/c

I have the Motive bleeder as well and I agree with the above statement that the adapter thing is a real PITA.  I used the chain setup along with a c-clamp & still managed to lose a quart of DOT 3 down my firewall :rotz:

I have used it with better success on the modern screw on type masters though
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


moparnation74

Quote from: Just 6T9 CHGR on February 22, 2015, 07:05:30 PM
Quote from: terrible one on February 22, 2015, 03:03:08 PM
I have one and would say it is worth it, but for our older style m/c you need the adapter plate which is a little finicky. But maybe modern m/c's with twist on caps just have me spoiled. Oh and it is eerily similar to a pump up garden/ pesticide sprayer. I wonder if one of those could be adapted for half the price?

To avoid a mess, I've never actually filled the power bleeder with brake fluid. I top off the m/c and use the power bleeder to pressurize what's in there. I've done a few bleeds this way, including wheel cylinder swaps, brake valve rebuild/ swaps, etc. where a lot of air was in the system and haven't had to stop and add fluid to the m/c

I have the Motive bleeder as well and I agree with the above statement that the adapter thing is a real PITA.  I used the chain setup along with a c-clamp & still managed to lose a quart of DOT 3 down my firewall :rotz:

I have used it with better success on the modern screw on type masters though
We took a clamp and welded a piece of angle iron about 3" long on the clamp bottom as a V.  To accept the bottom of the master cylinder.  The top portion of the clamp welded a flat piece of 1/4" steel to cover the top.  Super tight, no leaks, no problems.  I would take a pic of it but my buddy borrowed it.

b5blue

I see the newest have an aluminum plate, is that what yours has? (The older ones were plastic.)

bill440rt

Getting the plate to seal correctly sounds like a lot of trial & error.

How do the pneumatic ones work in comparison?  :popcrn:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

Mopar Nut

Mine is the aluminum plate that's heavy duty enough for a "C" clamp. I also used a piece of wood to protect the plate.
"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

terrible one

Quote from: b5blue on February 22, 2015, 07:54:08 PM
I see the newest have an aluminum plate, is that what yours has? (The older ones were plastic.)

Yep, I too opted for the aluminum after hearing about the woes some were having with the plastic. The angle iron is a good idea!

Just 6T9 CHGR

Quote from: b5blue on February 22, 2015, 07:54:08 PM
I see the newest have an aluminum plate, is that what yours has? (The older ones were plastic.)
Mine is the red anodized aluminum one
Chris' '69 Charger R/T


b5blue

Thanks for the input! What is the "working pressure" used? (I see it has a gauge.)  :scratchchin:  Possibly a second softer silicone sheet gasket would help?  :shruggy: