20 car pile up set to Benny Hill

[odcics2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IxroxDO8g8 

[aussiemuscle]

"but my jeep is 4wd with snow tires and can go anywhere?"

seems like a good excuse NOT to go to work

[keith88]

dont go up the hill

[Shakey]

  One of the worst feelings - being behind the wheel and being totally helpless!

[Silver R/T]

Glad I wasn't there.

[Patronus]

Crazy. And in CO too.. Once when I was 16 we were visitin' SteamBoat CO in this Pontiac wagon. Same thing happened to me only with a wall on one side and a cliff on the other. Sliding backwards I let off the brake, turned the wheel, and grabbed a hand-full of the parking brake. Instant 180 and crept back down.

[Drache]

FYI here's a link to add the Benny Hill music to any youtube video you want to watch.

http://bennyhillifier.com/

[Roctania]

wouldn't you be better off to let go of the brakes and have some small possibility of getting wheel rotation and therefore  steering control?  ABS, when all 4 wheels are not moving, thinks all is well.  Manual pumping of the brakes may not be such a bad idea in such an instance.  Do they still teach that?

I have heard of folks so dumb they fail to shut off the ignition of a runaway vehicle also.  You have a swith... turn it off. Of course a Ch*vy will do that for you [whether you want it or not]... [the recall issue]

[Silver R/T]

If you shut off runaway vehicle you will loose power brake and power steering and you might lock up steering altogether and cause even worse accident.

[odcics2]

That music is a hoot!

[ACUDANUT]

Benny Hill died 20 years ago.  Why is no one trying to "gas it, go forward". ?

[Roctania]

If you shut off runaway vehicle you will loose power brake and power steering and you might lock up steering altogether and cause even worse accident.

You need some education
The steering cannot LOCK unless you are in Park
The Engineers thought of that.

Yes you might lose POWER steering and, after some time POWER brakes. Unless you are a 90 lb granny you can still steer and brake pretty effectively.  It will require muscle.

The alternative is ever faster until the crash.  Seems like an easy choice.

Do us all a favor.  Take the other folks in your family who also don't know how cars work.  Go to a secluded parking lot.  PRACTICE turning off the key and guiding the car safely to a stop with no engine, manual steering, and perhaps manual brakes.  Notice how the steering does not lock.

Good Lord

Learn how your machine is designed and works.

[polywideblock]

sorry to but in 

                        but what if in the panic of all this you turn the key all the way to lock, just as you need to go around a bend 

[VegasCharger]

I'll weigh in here being originally from Ohio. I'm not saying that this is the correct way to do this but I do believe that the results would be better. First of all if you see other folks ahead of you failing to get up the hill by all means don't be a hero and think you're going to make it over and just lay back or turn around. Don't be a domino. Okay let's say that you were not aware of this hill because you may have been the first there and did not see previous motorist struggling to do so. If you start drifting backwards the worse thing you can do is lock up the brakes. Also having the drivetrain in gear causes the spinning and out of control. Me I would put the car in neutral coast back and tap the brakes periodically and find a safe landing spot away from the idiots. Then when the coast is clear I would turn around and go back and laugh at all the people who thinks they're getting over that hill. However my theory would be very difficult if you have someone directly behind you and they don't want to get out of your way because they're invinsible and going to make it over the hill because they're in a hurry to go nowhere. 

[bull]

Whatever you do, do NOT let off that brake pedal! In fact, you should press it harder.

[472 R/T SE]

Sure didn't take Roct long,     Welcome to the forum!!!



The one thing I've drilled into my wife's California head was if the motor was pushing/sliding you along, bump it out of gear.  Then again she's the only person I know who can lose a rig on an offramp straightshot.

[Roctania]

sorry to but in 

                        but what if in the panic of all this you turn the key all the way to lock, just as you need to go around a bend 

NOT POSSIBLE
Please read your owner's manual and actually do as I suggested- go to a secluded parking lot with other family members who need to learn how this works, and actually practice shifting into N and turning off the key and guiding it safely to a stop even if you don't have POWER steering and brakes.  You will notice that LOCK in not possible unless the shifter is in PARK or you otherwise manually move a lever or whatnot. 

This part you can practice with the engine OFF so you can get "up to speed" if you will [on the subject at hand] without the danger of a running engine and a moving vehicle.

Set parking brake and keep service brakes on throughout
Turn key to ON, not START.
Petend the car is running. Put it in Drive
Notice you can still steer, it's just hard to steer a lot, at low speed.
turn key OFF.  Go ahead, attempt to turn past off, to LOCK.  It won't.
Notice how you can still steer and brake.

Per recent GM recall, you may no longer have ABS or Air Bags [not sure a shrapnel throwing air bag is all that good an idea either...] so you would probably turn the ignition OFF only in the event that the engine was out of control.

Now, perhaps you would prefer to just move the shifter to N and let the engine rev.  That is OK too. 
You could kill the engine then turn the ignition back on [but not start the engine], to power the other safety systems. 

You can do a LOT of things with the trans selector in N and the car rolling, running or not.

EVERY driver should be aware of how the machines work, and practice emergency procedures. And RTM of course.

Certain features such as the inability to engage LOCK unless in Park are just good sense engineering now also required by law.

[Tilar]

Anyone remember that kid from Florida that made a whirlwind entrance here 4 or 5 years ago? For some reason, reading this thread reminds me of that...

[bull]

"but my jeep is 4wd with snow tires and can go anywhere?"

seems like a good excuse NOT to go to work

The Ford pickup seems to have done more damage than any of them.

[polywideblock]

sorry to but in 

                        but what if in the panic of all this you turn the key all the way to lock, just as you need to go around a bend 

NOT POSSIBLE
Please read your owner's manual and actually do as I suggested- go to a secluded parking lot with other family members who need to learn how this works, and actually practice shifting into N and turning off the key and guiding it safely to a stop even if you don't have POWER steering and brakes.  You will notice that LOCK in not possible unless the shifter is in PARK or you otherwise manually move a lever or whatnot. 

This part you can practice with the engine OFF so you can get "up to speed" if you will [on the subject at hand] without the danger of a running engine and a moving vehicle.

Set parking brake and keep service brakes on throughout
Turn key to ON, not START.
Petend the car is running. Put it in Drive
Notice you can still steer, it's just hard to steer a lot, at low speed.
turn key OFF.  Go ahead, attempt to turn past off, to LOCK.  It won't.
Notice how you can still steer and brake.

Per recent GM recall, you may no longer have ABS or Air Bags [not sure a shrapnel throwing air bag is all that good an idea either...] so you would probably turn the ignition OFF only in the event that the engine was out of control.

Now, perhaps you would prefer to just move the shifter to N and let the engine rev.  That is OK too. 
You could kill the engine then turn the ignition back on [but not start the engine], to power the other safety systems. 

You can do a LOT of things with the trans selector in N and the car rolling, running or not.

EVERY driver should be aware of how the machines work, and practice emergency procedures. And RTM of course.

Certain features such as the inability to engage LOCK unless in Park are just good sense engineering now also required by law.
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   hate to say this but your reading the wrong manual mine stars or stops with the clutch in or out and with it in gear or out      the stering lock only works when you turn the key to lock which is possible ANY time   

[Roctania]

"   hate to say this but your reading the wrong manual mine stars or stops with the clutch in or out and with it in gear or out    scratchchin  the stering lock only works when you turn the key to lock which is possible ANY time "

I would love to know more about this.  What year, model, and modifications.
MAYBE prior to 1971, on a Manual Trans car.
It would not make sense to allow a driver to engage steering lock while moving.
How about a video of that - safely done, of course?

I am working on a 71 Challenger, auto trans, and it requires a thumb lever to be moved even after placing in park, or lock will not engage.

Just yesterday I was driving the '99 Dodge, came up behind other traffic on the highway, decided to practice the engine killing... turned off the ign and watched the RPM drop to 0 and the vehicle speed slowly drop w/o any ill effects at all.  Steered just fine.  Brakes still work. Put her in N, restarted the engine, put her in drive, carried on seamlessly...

Regardless of how YOUR particular vehicle works, each and every driver must be FAMILIAR with how it works.

As for the previous feller's scenario of "in the middle of a curve" - that's no different from "in the middle of a straight" - you still need to constantly steer.

[bull]

Better yet, stay home if/when it gets that slick out. Sit in your Lay-Z-Boy and read both manuals all day long if you want.

[odcics2]

Better yet, stay home if/when it gets that slick out. Sit in your Lay-Z-Boy and read both manuals all day long if you want.

It's like if you need a back up camera, maybe you shouldn't be behind the wheel?