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how many 69 Charger r/t 4 speed cars? Just curious.

Started by Charger-Bodie, December 24, 2013, 05:13:03 PM

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Homerr

I would take XS29J9B figure as 29 Hemi Chargers are known to have been built at Hamtramck, and the other 403 (auto & manual) were built elsewhere.


Here's a list of plants, not sure off the top of my head which had Charger lines in 1969.

QuoteA - Lynch Road, Michigan
    B - Hamtramck, Michigan
    C - Jefferson, Michigan
    D - Belvedere, Michigan
    E - Los Angeles, California
    F - Newark, Delaware
    G - St. Louis, Missouri
    R - Windsor, Ontario, Canada

will

I know we're posting about the 69 registry, but are there any plans to have a 68 registry? Let me send you the info I have if that's at all possible. Mine is a lowly 383 2 bbl plain jane a/c car.

charge69

That's interesting. I guess my Charger is one of the 29 Hemi Chargers built in Hamtramck.  For some reason I thought all Chargers built in 1969 were built there. At least, I thought all Hemi Chargers for 1969 were built in Hamtramck.  Guess I was wrong.

tan top

 68 & 69 chargers were built at
  ( B) Hamtramck  
  (G) St Louis
  assembly plants only
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

charge69

Have you ever seen an original Hemi Charger built somewhere other than Hamtramck in 1969?  Every one I have ever seen (not many) was built in "B" Hamtramck.

69_500

I have seen 2 Hemi 69's that were built at St. Louis. The green car Hemigeno had was a St. Louis built car. I was always told that the number of Hemi chargers listed also included the Hemi aero cars from 69 too. Could be wrong on that one though but there are over 100 Hemi 500's.

Troy

The chart shows "All" then breaks it down further. The * is a wild card. The "B" is the assembly plant so I'm guessing they knew exactly how many came out of there. I don't know why the top 2 lines look identical yet have different numbers buuuut... one should be the total number of Charger R/Ts made in 1969. Lines 3-6 are Charger R/Ts with the Hemi engine - 3 is the total, 4 is with manual trans, 5 is with automatic, and 6 is again a total but for that plant only. From there downwards it's 440 powered cars. Since engine/trans breakdowns for sunroof and SE aren't known those last 2 lines are grand totals (for R/Ts) for those options.

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

tan top

Quote from: charge69 on December 27, 2013, 02:39:08 PM
Have you ever seen an original Hemi Charger built somewhere other than Hamtramck in 1969?  Every one I have ever seen (not many) was built in "B" Hamtramck.

weird thing is  I've seen   3 maybe 4  st Louis built 69 hemi charger tags & they all have been F8  pretty sure 4 speed too , don't think that included HemiGenos either  , although I cant remember :scratchchin:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

charge69

Ha !  I THINK I understand how the chart was made. Anyway, I KNOW mine is a Hamtramck- build Hemicar and my info has been on the site long enough that it should already be included in the "XS29J9B" info.

Davtona

I personally know of 2 Hamtramck built Hemi cars and have seen others. Geno's car however is the only one I've ever seen that was a St Louis built car. I'm sure his wasn't the only one built there but IMHO I tend to believe there were more Hamtramck built cars.  :Twocents:

Does anyone know the answer to Danny's question as I would like to know too. I agree with him I have always heard the Aero cars were included in the 432 Hemi car count. Are they in that count or in addition to that count? 

MxRacer855

I feel like I got lost and stumbled out onto the red carpet with all of this Hemi talk.  :lol:  :drool5: Beautiful cars guys! Interesting reading what you had to say. I've never looked into learning about matching the numbers on my Charger to a database in order to find out all of the original information. I think I'm going to now. It's exciting.

polywideblock

Quote from: will on December 27, 2013, 01:51:51 PM
I know we're posting about the 69 registry, but are there any plans to have a 68 registry? Let me send you the info I have if that's at all possible. Mine is a lowly 383 2 bbl plain jane a/c car.

               mailto:1968DodgeChargerRegistry@gmail.com


  and 71 GA4  383 magnum  SE

hemigeno

On the topic of 4-speed Charger R/T's...

I'd also like to know if the XX / Aero cars (C500's and Daytonas) were or were not included in the XS29 production totals.  While not a huge percentage of the R/T production run, it's still an unanswered question, especially since many of the early C500's came with XS29 markings and most (if not all) of the XX29 cars were issued a Manufacturer's Statement of Origin (MSO) with XS29 instead of XX29 (my Daytona included).  That may explain why Chrysler may indeed have included the XX29 Aero models in with the XS29 production totals.

On the topic of '69 HemiChargers...
Quote from: Homerr on December 27, 2013, 01:46:08 PM
I would take XS29J9B figure as 29 Hemi Chargers are known to have been built at Hamtramck, and the other 403 (auto & manual) were built elsewhere.


The 29 figure (in Galen's little white books) indicates the number of Canadian '69 HemiChargers, which were all built at the Hamtramck plant.  There's a column of information left off of that production numbers chart posted above which is important - along with GG's remarks to help understand these numbers.  

I have never seen credible information giving a breakdown of HemiCharger production between the St. Louis and Hamtramck plants, but for every 1 St. Louis '69 HemiCharger I've ran across, I've seen maybe 3 or 4 Hamtramck cars.  Around 1998, Galen knew of only 13 St. Louis-built '69 HemiChargers (mine being one of the 13), but that's just a representation of how many cars he had documented or recorded as of that point in time and not an actual number of cars produced.  Even the total production of 432 is somewhat in question since the "S" designation in Galen's missing column (see above) infers that it excludes the 29 Canadian and an unknown quantity of Export (to other countries) Hemicars.  You would have to reference the Remarks section at the end of Galen's whole set of charts to get that explanation.  Add to that, the aforementioned question of whether the XX / Aero cars are or are not included in the XS29 totals and you have even more uncertainty.


Then we get into the number of XP HemiChargers which aren't on the list anywhere...   :stirthepot:




69rtse4spd

Quote from: tracpack440 on December 26, 2013, 02:58:54 AM
How many 69  R/T SE 4sp where made. Is the 69registry still not operational.

I had heard around 600 had the S.E. option with the R/T, mine being one of them.

XS29L

Here are some #'s for '69 500's and Daytona's;   xx29 Charger 500  27 4spd with Hemi  26 4spd with 440 ,  xx29 Daytona  22 4spd with Hemi  137 4spd with 440.
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69CoronetRT

Quote from: hemigeno on December 30, 2013, 04:04:45 PM
I'd also like to know if the XX / Aero cars (C500's and Daytonas) were or were not included in the XS29 production totals.  

Given the XX cars low production, my WAG is they were included in the XS numbers. If you have a copy of the original sheets or GG's O&A report, you can probably determine the answer. :Twocents:
Seeking information on '69 St. Louis plant VINs, SPDs and VONs. Buld sheets and tag pictures appreciated. Over 3,000 on file thanks to people like you.

XS29L

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