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Runs in sealer

Started by 68RRFlyer, March 21, 2010, 03:59:18 PM

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68RRFlyer

Everything was going just swimmingly on the 68 R/T as I layed down the sealer with the hopes of finally shooting some color tomorrow.  Well, that'll be postponed due to some serious cutrains and runs all over the place.  I'm using a 2K sealer but used the slow reducer and should have used the fast one based on the cooler temps.  I didn't cover as well as I would have hoped either.  I used a regular sealer last time (not a 2K one) and it seemed to cover better.  More uniform.  Regardless, I now have some runs to deal with.  Never having been down this road before, can you sand out runs with 400/600 or something like that then reseal afterwards?  Or am I starting back to square one with a coat of primer, sand, then reseal?  Paint is PPG Shopline brand.  I'll have her in paint this week!  Thanks.

Cheers  :cheers: 
Dave
1969-1/2 A12 Super Bee
1970 Challenger T/A
1964 Corvette Convertible
1949 Chevy 3100

TylerCharger69

i dont see any reason why you cant just sand those runs out and re apply....

alcusswhen

I've found it better to cut most of the runs off with a single edge razor blade. Then use 220, 400 and 600. Cover your car where you don't have to reseal it to keep down over spray.
Bone 7

73 Charger SE/ 318/391 stroker, 2500 Boss Hogg converter/ 391 sure grip.
07 Charger R/T

Silver R/T

read your text sheet for the primer sealer. Is it DPLF primer-sealer? Product sheet should have all the info you need for recoat window, dry to sand, etc etc.
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1968 silver/black/red striped R/T
My Charger is hybrid, it runs on gas and on tears of ricers
2001 Ram 2500 CTD
1993 Mazda MX-3 GS SE
1995 Ford Cobra SVT#2722

elitecustombody

why didn't you just wipe it off while it was still wet?


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Patronus

you should probably scotch-brite the whole car before 2nd coat of sealer (as you had concerns of coverage), then color coat... personally, I've had luck with primers and sealers laying down better at a higher psi, but its really dry here. Whenever you spray, lay down a light bond coat first over the whole panel and then return with a good coat overlapping about 50%. Concentrate on distance... remember, painting is the last of a LONG series of steps, (+ cut, buff, and wax) so be patient. If you notice heavy build-up in an area, spray just air to get it to set up quicker to avoid the run, and pray... btw, what color are you spraying??
'73 Cuda 340 5spd RMS
'69 Charger 383 "Luci"
'08 CRF 450r
'12.5 450SX FE

superbirdtom

Your right on your advise  . I used to use dp 40 green sealer , but it is poor coverage like the dp-%  48 white sealer.  the dp -50 grey and dp-74 red really covers nice.so is dp-black, I reduce it 7% with dt-885 reducer and let sit for 15 minutes befor application.    If you are shooting the dp-48 white I put just 10% dp -50 grey in it it covers much better that way and is still white.

                                                   You use dp -50 the most and do your bondo work over the top of that then use it again for bare metal areas  then use the k-36 primer for high filling   then use dp-50 , let sit for an hour  then paint.  I do thisd day in day out for many years now .  But if you do get a sag in the dp sealers  just put the heat lamp on it for a couple hours at least 3 feet away.  then cool down  block it out with 320,  then 400 then 600 and reseal.

Silver R/T

Some guys like using SPI products, particularly their epoxy and clears.
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1968 silver/black/red striped R/T
My Charger is hybrid, it runs on gas and on tears of ricers
2001 Ram 2500 CTD
1993 Mazda MX-3 GS SE
1995 Ford Cobra SVT#2722

68RRFlyer

OK, thanks guys.  I'm spraying UU1 (light blue poly metallic) on a 68 Charger.  I looked at the spec sheet and it says to scuff and reseal after 72hrs if not topcoated.  But since I have the runs, I'll 400/600 them out, scuff the rest of car,  then reshoot another coat of sealer to be sure.  Looking forward to having color on tomorrow.  Will post pics!  Thanks for the help gang.

Cheers  :cheers:
Dave
1969-1/2 A12 Super Bee
1970 Challenger T/A
1964 Corvette Convertible
1949 Chevy 3100

FLG


Patronus

if I may ask, how much sealer did you end up using? Over a gallon? Im using a 4:1 Dimension DS694 (black) wondering how much to get. Charger=Big
'73 Cuda 340 5spd RMS
'69 Charger 383 "Luci"
'08 CRF 450r
'12.5 450SX FE

Silver R/T

Quote from: Patronus on March 24, 2010, 08:20:42 PM
if I may ask, how much sealer did you end up using? Over a gallon? Im using a 4:1 Dimension DS694 (black) wondering how much to get. Charger=Big
Are you using this? http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/products/show_product.cfm?product=DS676
http://www.cardomain.com/id/mitmaks

1968 silver/black/red striped R/T
My Charger is hybrid, it runs on gas and on tears of ricers
2001 Ram 2500 CTD
1993 Mazda MX-3 GS SE
1995 Ford Cobra SVT#2722

68RRFlyer

No, the sealer I used was PPG's Shopline brand 2K:
https://buyat.ppg.com/refinishProductCatalog/ViewProduct.aspx?ProductID=197b699d-54fd-47c5-af9f-1d6f9e9e3932

And I then after the runs, I went back to a 1K sealer:
https://buyat.ppg.com/refinishProductCatalog/ViewProduct.aspx?ProductID=17770604-05c6-426d-9a96-3f9a8445cede

And that's what I was used to using.  No runs with this stuff.  I guess I just kept laying that 2K stuff down too thick is what I think the problem was.  But the 2K sealer was more runny than the 1K.  None the less, it all worked out.  I know some guys use sealer and some don't, but I do and like the results.  I'm not a professional painter so this was fine for me. I've used the entire line of that brand paint and it seems to produce a nice product so far.  But again, it's all in the prep work I guess.     

I used a gallon of it for everything: trunk, engine bay, jambs, exterior.  I used a fast reducer 4:1 ratio based on the cool metal and temps.  No it's not the top of the line paint by any means, but it still looks nice!

Cheers  :cheers:   
Dave
1969-1/2 A12 Super Bee
1970 Challenger T/A
1964 Corvette Convertible
1949 Chevy 3100

Patronus

Quote from: Silver R/T on March 24, 2010, 08:24:01 PM
Quote from: Patronus on March 24, 2010, 08:20:42 PM
if I may ask, how much sealer did you end up using? Over a gallon? Im using a 4:1 Dimension DS694 (black) wondering how much to get. Charger=Big
Are you using this? http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/products/show_product.cfm?product=DS676
Yeah, the black tho'...
'73 Cuda 340 5spd RMS
'69 Charger 383 "Luci"
'08 CRF 450r
'12.5 450SX FE

Silver R/T

Quote from: Patronus on March 25, 2010, 09:54:38 AM
Quote from: Silver R/T on March 24, 2010, 08:24:01 PM
Quote from: Patronus on March 24, 2010, 08:20:42 PM
if I may ask, how much sealer did you end up using? Over a gallon? Im using a 4:1 Dimension DS694 (black) wondering how much to get. Charger=Big
Are you using this? http://www.sherwin-automotive.com/products/show_product.cfm?product=DS676
Yeah, the black tho'...

That's where the problem was. You don't want to use cheap 1k products on car if you want it to look nice. Always stick witn one brand paint or at least make sure you're using good quality 2k components (primers, sealers, top coats)
Like you've said in another post that you've used 1K sealer and that's something I would've done differently.
http://www.cardomain.com/id/mitmaks

1968 silver/black/red striped R/T
My Charger is hybrid, it runs on gas and on tears of ricers
2001 Ram 2500 CTD
1993 Mazda MX-3 GS SE
1995 Ford Cobra SVT#2722