I'm sure this will get locked but here goes...

[RD]

I don't recall anywhere in the Bible, NT or OT where anyone opposes Capital Punishment. The only time there is something remotely to that affect is Jesus stopping a stoning. He then told the lady to go on and sin no more. Now was he opposed to her being stoned, no but meerely making a point to people who were going to do the stoning. They wanted to stone her for adultery. While he knows the sins of all the people who were in that mob, probably knew that some of them were adulterous people too.

Jesus laid down two commandments that supercede all earlier commandments.   They are to love thy Lord God with all your heart and means and to love thy neighbor.   You cannot possibly love thy neighbor by condoning capital punishment.

Lets see how you love your neighbor when he pulls a gun out a shoots you or your family.   Sorry bud.   Just not going to agree here.

I understand what you are saying, and yes I would be angered and hurt and sad.   But, I do not live for this earth, I live for something greater.   That is the difference between our belief system.

I realize that I may have said words in the past that contradict what I am saying today.  But that is part of my growth in my faith.  With that being said, this what I believe today.  Two wrongs do not make a right.

[69_500]

I disagree again. (I'm not trying to argue here, just saying i disagree in my interpretation of the scriptures). I believe you can truly love someone yet condemn them to capital punishment. Look at it this way, can you love you child and still punish them by spanking them? I say yes. Punishment is done out of love, if it is done properly. You should never punish out of anger.
Now does this mean every murdered deserves to go without forgiveness? NO, they all deserve a chance at that. But do they all deserve to pay for their crimes, YES. You say that you cannot truly love someone and put them to death. What is going to happen on the final judgement day? Are some going to go to HELL? Does this mean that God didn't love them?

[73dodge]

I disagree again. (I'm not trying to argue here, just saying i disagree in my interpretation of the scriptures). I believe you can truly love someone yet condemn them to capital punishment. Look at it this way, can you love you child and still punish them by spanking them? I say yes. Punishment is done out of love, if it is done properly. You should never punish out of anger.
Now does this mean every murdered deserves to go without forgiveness? NO, they all deserve a chance at that. But do they all deserve to pay for their crimes, YES. You say that you cannot truly love someone and put them to death. What is going to happen on the final judgement day? Are some going to go to HELL? Does this mean that God didn't love them?

It's not called the death PENALTY for nothing, if it's purpose was deterrent it would be called the death deterrant. It's original purpose was not to keep people from committing the crime. It's meant to be a penalty for the crime already committed.

As for putting someone to death for crimes committed sometimes it is a loving act to kill someone in the event for stopping a greater crime. If it was not then everytime a cop shoots someone out of self defense or protection of the innocent then we would have to jail every cop every time one of them kills someone in the line of duty. In order to protect the innocent then it's not an act of murder to put someone to death for crimes committed.

People are flawed and that does not mean mistakes are not made especially when it comes to handing out the death penalty that's what the appeals system is for.

[dodgeboy67]

the problem with capital punishment, is the phrase "reasonable doubt"

the defense no longer has to prove that their client is innocent....all they have to do is make the jury think that somebody else "couldve "done the deed

our legal system sux ass

[dodgeboy67]

i guess what iwas trying to say is that it is too easy to get an innocent man on death row.....too many peaple being cleared on dna evidence 30 years later...

and lets face it, who really wants to be resposible for putting a needle in a person who ," mighta done it??""

[MichaelRW]

i guess what iwas trying to say is that it is too easy to get an innocent man on death row.....too many peaple being cleared on dna evidence 30 years later...

and lets face it, who really wants to be resposible for putting a needle in a person who ," mighta done it??""

Yes, but your logic appears to be based on the people who were convicted before dna testing was available to prove them innocent or guilty. I think it is much less likely that innocent people go to jail today compared to before dna. So maybe the standard should be if you were convicted before dna then let's take at a look at dna evidence and that would be done thru the appeals process. If dna proves you are guilty now, fry their butt.

[Steve P.]

NT, OT, No T, Let's just say for a moment that there is no GOD............


I murder you..........

I deserve to be put to death or life at the golf course?


                                  =   OR   =
While your at work one day, I kidnap your wife and daughter. On a dark shaded bend of railroad tracks I tie your lovely wife to the tracks lengthwise at about 3:45. At 3:48 a high speed freight train will be coming through. Now you may like that part but I'm sure you won't like what I have in mind for your precious little girl!!  

LIFE   OR GOLF WITH OJ SIMPSON??

[RD]

I am following ya guys, seriously I am, but I know what I feel, and what I feel is opposite to you all.

[Steve P.]

Or let's say I get out on a little screw up..     

Wakko forgot to read me my rights!!!!!      Hahahahahaha........     I raped, I robbed, I twisted your wifes nipple and now I'm out because Wakko forgot to read me my rights......

[69_500]

I like how your thinking there Steve. Yeah there are times when people who are known to be guilty and caught in the act of doing something that they get off for stupid stipulations. yeah there should be rules that should be followed, but because a cop forgets to do one thing does that really give the other person the right to get off for what they DID Do? I think not.

[bull]

I don't recall anywhere in the Bible, NT or OT where anyone opposes Capital Punishment. The only time there is something remotely to that affect is Jesus stopping a stoning. He then told the lady to go on and sin no more. Now was he opposed to her being stoned, no but meerely making a point to people who were going to do the stoning. They wanted to stone her for adultery. While he knows the sins of all the people who were in that mob, probably knew that some of them were adulterous people too.

Jesus laid down two commandments that supercede all earlier commandments.   They are to love thy Lord God with all your heart and means and to love thy neighbor.   You cannot possibly love thy neighbor by condoning capital punishment.

That's a bunch of PCBS. Explain that concept to the guy who decides to pull the plug on his wife who cannot eat or breathe on her own, or a daughter who's in a coma. Explain it to a pet owner who has an animal put down so it won't suffer. Do these people not love those who are suffering? How much easier would it be for him to end the life of a murderer? If you want to argue capital punishment based on the motives of those who propose it that's fine, but it does not mean at least part of capital punishment itself is not an act of love. Love doesn't always make people smile or give them warm fuzzies. If that's what you think you haven't experienced every facet of love. You are ignorant if you believe Christ's love is permissive. How frequently did he confront and berate the Pharisees? Did he not turn the tables in the temple? Did he not say that when he returns he will be bearing a sword?

[41husk]

I said when they eliminated corpral punishment in high school they should have instated capital punishment

[ChargerBill]

In the case of Tookie Williams..I say ride the Lightning buddy. He is without a doubt guilty of everything suspected and I'm sure many more killings and extremey illegal doings that no one even knows about. He claims to be rehabilitated and then calls for his gang members on the outside to retalliate, mame, kill, etc... anyone who is somehow involved in his execution IF and/or when he is put to death. Rehabilitated my @r$e!! When there is no question about guilt, and brutal murders, molestations, rapes are in the guys record...let the punishment fit the crime. The State of California provides for the death penalty, and this guy was sentenced...let the LAW OF THE LAND prevail.

[69_500]

 

This is a very interesting topic to read. I figured it would get locked once people began to disagree, but everyone has seemed to keep a level head and agree to disagree. Not many people are going to change their views on this especially not by reading a thread in a charger board, but it is a great topic.

I think capital punishment is a must in society. The threat of knowing that if you get caught that you can be put to death, deters a lot of people from doing stupid stuff. There are others who never think of what is going to happen if they do something too. To those people, well I just say, you should have paid attention. We all have a concience. We all have the inate knowledge of what is good and what is evil. That is something that mankind as a whole has. Even societies that haven't ever had GOD or the Bible or anything like that preached to them, know what is right and wrong. They even have punishments in those societies for doing wrong. Many of which are being put to death.

[Charger_Fan]

Yes, but your logic appears to be based on the people who were convicted before dna testing was available to prove them innocent or guilty. I think it is much less likely that innocent people go to jail today compared to before dna. So maybe the standard should be if you were convicted before dna then let's take at a look at dna evidence and that would be done thru the appeals process. If dna proves you are guilty now, fry their butt.

That's a good idea.
Although it will cost tons of money to go through all those old cases to prove their guilt through DNA testing...I have a plan.
Kill off everybody who has already been proven beyond a doubt to be the actual murderers...whether it was because they were caught red-handed, or just plain confessed. Kill them first. The money normally used to keep them incarcerated, will be saved by the state & can now be used to fund DNA testing, to clear any innocents.
After a few years of this, the only people remaining in prison will be there for tax fraud or something.

I like how your thinking there Steve. Yeah there are times when people who are known to be guilty and caught in the act of doing something that they get off for stupid stipulations. yeah there should be rules that should be followed, but because a cop forgets to do one thing does that really give the other person the right to get off for what they DID Do? I think not.

I agree.
This has always been one of the largest flaws in the system & I am amazed it hasn't been corrected by now.

[69_500]

ONe of the things I haven't ever understood is people who were sentenced to the death penalty, then serve like 25 years on death row. Is there a shortage of electricity, ropes, or other means to put them to death? Typically if a person is sentenced to death penalty there was already a lengthy hearing and more than likely appeals made, but after a while don't ya just go ahead and carry out the sentence.

[Arthu®]

And I thought I had seen it all, I thought for sure that this thread would be locked in 4 posts. But it seems that with the new board you lot have grown up a bit  Btw not getting into the discussion on the death penalty, would love to but would get the thread locked. I haven't grown up, yet.

I like how your thinking there Steve. Yeah there are times when people who are known to be guilty and caught in the act of doing something that they get off for stupid stipulations. yeah there should be rules that should be followed, but because a cop forgets to do one thing does that really give the other person the right to get off for what they DID Do? I think not.

I agree.
This has always been one of the largest flaws in the system & I am amazed it hasn't been corrected by now.

Well that one is kinda hard as you have to draw the line somewhere. It is based on the fact that in a "free" country all people should have a fair trial. And really the whole trial begins with the arrest. I know it is pretty shitty if a guy gets off the hook that way, but than there is no one else to blaim but the cop or whoever arrested him. It is the same as with things that go wrong in the courtroom, in example with evidence. People do get off that way because people of the DA's office didn't carry out the procedures well. It all comes down to the fact that those things that go wrong can hurt the case of the defendent. I know it's not always in a direct way that it could create a doubt on wheter he/she is guilty or not, but again there has to be drawn a line.

My point in this case is, is if this happens too often. Don't change the rules, just make sure the cops are trained well enough in it. It should be a routine.

Arthur

[hemihead]

In the case of Tookie Williams..I say ride the Lightning buddy. He is without a doubt guilty of everything suspected and I'm sure many more killings and extremey illegal doings that no one even knows about. He claims to be rehabilitated and then calls for his gang members on the outside to retalliate, mame, kill, etc... anyone who is somehow involved in his execution IF and/or when he is put to death. Rehabilitated my @r$e!! When there is no question about guilt, and brutal murders, molestations, rapes are in the guys record...let the punishment fit the crime. The State of California provides for the death penalty, and this guy was sentenced...let the LAW OF THE LAND prevail.

I agree with you here ^   but I think I know the reason for this.After all the trouble with the Rodney King situation awhile back,
  California is afraid of the backlash and racial riots that would most certainly occur if the deserved sentence were to be moved forward.

[Steve P.]

I think ARNALD wants a BUDDY on the inside to help on the outside...

[TheGhost]

Ok, non of you live here in sunny Florida where we have had way toooooo many of these incredible acts happen in a very short period of time as of late. This hits very close to home with me.. One was found guilty just the other day. He admitted to his mother and brother that he raped and killed a 13 year old girl and told his brother where they could find her body.. THIS SON OF A BITCH SHOULD BE HUNG IN THE MIDDLE OF TOWN AT HIGH FUCKING NOON IN FRONT OF GOD AND EVERYBODY.....

IT SHOULD BE TELEVISED ACROSS THIS ENTIRE NATION ON EVERY CHANEL .. (EVERY CHANNEL) CABLE, LOCAL, EVEN RADIO FOR THOSE IN THEIR CARS OR ON A BUS.....

Another one about a year ago confessed to doing it. They dug her body up and did an autopsy. They found out that the rotten, sick, mother f&$@*^$ buried the little girl alive after doing things MANSON wouldn't do to her little body....  Do you hear banjo's??  Now he wants out due to being a little crazy.. CRAZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!     DEAD....................  LET THAT F&%#@* OUT!!!!! 

Sometimes you have to put the Bible AWAY.........  Also please keep in mind, most of these (less than dirt), things that (I) am talking about did NOT have GOD or GOD'S WILL in mind when they were taking a life or putting someone else through unimaginable pain..

The one and only proper punishment for this sick .... is to find someone with a mind just as twisted, and let him/her torture the guy.  SLOWLY.  Over a period of weeks.  Bringing him to the brink of death, then saving him, just so you can do it all again in a couple days.  Make his execution last a MONTH.  Filled with pain and fear.  Then, finally starve him to death.  For the final insult, bury him in an in a grave with an unmarked headstone, away from the rest of the graves.


Of course, finding someone sick and twisted enough to perform all the torture would be tough.  Not even I am willing to be that vicious.

[Steve P.]

Tie him into a chair with strings tied to each toe. Each string would go to a different device.
One would operate a shower head with very cold water.
Another with boiling hot water.
Another with low voltage.
Another with a little higher voltage.
Another with a very quick on/off blast of monster voltage. (This one would come in handy to kill off the RATS let go by yet another string).
Finally the last string would go to the trigger that releases the hammer that hits the 12Ga. shell that puts an end to that stupid (OH SHIT) look on the son of a bitches face forever.......


                                  Yup, me and Spielberg....