CHARGER 500 and DAYTONA BACKUP LAMP ASSEMBLY QUESTION NEW INFO!!

[Mopar John]

Now for the fun part where most have said the parts are the same!!! NOTTT!!!!
The first picture of the parts show the outside face. The stainless is identical and both are the extruded type where the edge is beveled and they stick out from the valance a little. The recessed are flat to fit a 1969 Road Runner in the bumper. The only thing I found on the outside is that the lines in the lens are very weak on the 2930806 as compared to the 2930870.

[nascarxx29]

Thanks for the parts description and comparision photos

[Mopar John]

Here is the big differances!! The 2930806 has all the rear painted black, has a longer bulb socket, has a rubber boot that goes all the way down onto the bulb socket, and dark purple wire. The 2930870 has natural plating, a shorter bulb socket, a short boot, light purple wire and a plastic disc to protect the paint! Both have female wire ends. Now which ones do you think I am going to use on my late production car?
 
I am going to go on record here and say that if there is a differant part number on something the parts are differant! Also as time goes on the parts change. So if you want to restore your car correctly try to use "assembly line stock" or old NOS.
Thanks! Mopar John

[tan top]

Thanks for the parts description and comparision photos

 thanks for showing the two side by side       

hmmm  intresting  

[nascarxx29]

You suppose the black paint and rubber boot was maybe because the bumper mounted plastic disc back up light was more vulnerable to the elements from backside of a rear bumper .In comparision to the charger one that sunk into a valance??? .On a unrelated note  Id messed with these lights clean socket and new bulbs and it wouldnt light.I had to rotate the crimped in bulb socket to achieve a better ground

[Mopar John]

nascarxx29,
I don't know if I mislead you but all my above pictures are of backup lights for a Charger. They are both the extruded type that are mounted in a rear valance. The flat or recessed type are for the bumper mounted applications. My thoughts on the black paint is that it was an extra cost. The plastic discs were added to save the paint on the valances. If anyone is interested I bought a total of 5 backup light assemblies to get this thing right and sorted out. I have 1 2930806 NOS available for $125.00 .
Mopar John

[nascarxx29]

Ok thanks

[pettybird]

so which of those are in your cars?  i don't remember them missing? 

[Mopar John]

PETTYBIRD,
You are correct both cars have them but they are either dented or weathered. Both of my cars have the 2930870 which are the late versions. Now that everyone knows the differance it will be easy to spot the length of the bulb socket and the long or short boots. The plastic protection disc may crack and sometimes not have been reinstalled.
Mopar John

[hemigeno]

For the record, the correct late 1969 part number is 3004110.

[pettybird]

so what's that one look like?

[Mopar John]

For the record also is a picture of my 1969 dealer parts department parts catalog page for the backup lights. Above the line going across the page you will see an aplication for W-P Charger and W-S Charger R/T with lens recessed the bezel with part number 3004110 and no referance to early or late. Below the line you will see another application for W-P Charger and W-S Charger R/T with lens extrude the bezel with "up to approx. DEC 1 1968" and part number 2930806. The next line down has "after approx. Dec 1 1968" and part number 2930970.
  There is also an application 3 lines up from the line across the page for "Sta Wgn w/ lens recessed the Bezel and part number 3004110 with no early or late designation.

[Mopar John]

I do not have any NOS 3004110 and so far neither does anyone else?? I have attached another picture of 2 of my used backup lights with a 1969 on the left and a 1970 ( male connector ) on the right. If you look close at the chrome or stainless you will see that one is flat and the other has a bevel around the outside edge. I have found the flat ones on the cars with the backup lights in the bumper and the beveled ones on the Chargers in the valance. Does anyone know if this is what is referred to as recessed or extruded?? If it is, I have not seen any recessed used on Chargers.

[UFO]

Hey mopar john , Can you measure the depth(from the face inward) of the holes where the retainer ring goes into?
Sure looks like they're different in that pic.

[Mopar John]

UFO,
Good observation! But here is what is going on there. The one on the right has one of those plastic discs like the late 1969 version and it makes it look like the snap ring is not as far down. Measuring from the outside face in the snap ring is about 3/16" in on both lamps.

[FJMG]

  Great find, I purchased a set of NOS b/up lamps many yrs ago and one was the "970" in the box and the other was not in the box and looks just like the "806" in your pic. I always wondered why they were diff't!