I need info on Daytona headlamp harness

[hotrod98]

Just realized that I haven't ordered a new headlamp harness for the clone that I'm putting together. Of course it's time to install it and I don't have it.
Is the Daytona headlamp harness the same as the Charger harness? Yearone doesn't show a listing for a Daytona version so I'm assuming that they're the same.
My Charger harness is junk so I'll have to wait until the new one gets here to finish mounting the nose. So close, yet so far. I really wanted this car in the booth by next weekend. Not gonna happen.

[Hemi_tyme]

Larry, I've got Joanne's Daytona at the shop and and will look at the harness in the morning to seee if a Superbird and Daytona harness will inter change,If so I have a extra harness at the shop.
Ken

[pettybird]

they won't--the marker light harnesses are different lengths and the attachment points to the lamp-to-firewall intermediate harness are in a different place on the inner fender.

I tried, based on my 'bird to make my friend a harness for his Daytona.  pardon the pun but I winged it;)


For the light end, I used a '70 charger harness.  unwrap it, rewrap so the wires go where you want, and go from there.  if you had the WHOLE harness from a '70 then it would plug right into the bulkhead.  I don't understand the purpose of the mid piece...creative had to plug it in somewhere anyway.

[hotrod98]

Thanks, Ken for the offer.
So, exactly what would need to be done to alter the 70 harness to make it work?  Are all of the wires long enough?
It's strange that I've never seen one single thing mentioned about the headlamp harness by any of the cloners. This is the first time that I've given it a thought. I never realized that they didn't make a daytona specific harness.

[UFO]

I used a '69 harness and re wrapped it.Used some spare connectors to make the extension harness.
As for the vacuum lines I just spot taped them to the harness.

[hemigeno]

I used a '69 harness and re wrapped it.Used some spare connectors to make the extention harness.
As for the vacuum lines I just spot taped them to the harness.

...which is almost exactly the procedure that Creative used to make the original harnesses.  Even though the Daytona versions have their own separate Chrysler part number, the paperwork I've seen shows that it was literally a re-worked "regular" Charger harness.

[UFO]

If the instructions worked for the Creative guys I figured it would work for me as well.
I'll bet there is supposed to be a wire retainer wrapped in the extension that fits the extra hole behind the battery.

[hotrod98]

I'll look at my old harness again. At $250 a pop, I just might be able to save it.
Thanks for the info.
Now if I just had step by step instructions. 

[UFO]

Quite easy. Have nose on bench,unwrap harness,plug in lights,spot tape joints,re wrap,make an extension,done.
It's been a while since I did this but I do recall needing to ground the turn signal housings.

[hotrod98]

I didn't realize that the 69 harness was long enough. This should be a no-brainer then. 

[nascarxx29]

I think AM Bill Alphin has this part .And I belive Mega Parts might have it aswell.Before it was on the aftermarket I used the section of a reartail light harness found backside of panel near emergency brake to get the added length and correct male and female plug .And modified and retaped up 69 charger harness.But now you cant get it with the correct color hoses.And ready to install

[nascarxx29]

.Found the superbird diagram looking in my stuff for the daytona one

[nascarxx29]

Found Bills website hes the guy I think who carries the harness.And I recall maybe Frank Badalson sold the vacuum hoses seperately
http://www.amhightechauto.com/.Found the hoses looking for a vendor with a complete lighting/vacuum harness
VHK4   Headlight vacuum hose harness kit for the 1968-69 Dodge Daytona + 1970 Superbird   $175.00

[hotrod98]

Quite easy. Have nose on bench,unwrap harness,plug in lights,spot tape joints,re wrap,make an extension,done.
It's been a while since I did this but I do recall needing to ground the turn signal housings.

I sort of missed that part "make an extension". 

[nascarxx29]

If I remember correctly the 69 charger harness plug was beside or near the battery.And the daytona/superbird harness plug was further up near the rad support area.And I spliced in section with identical male and female plugs of a rear tail harness to get it longer 

[gtx6970]

If your after the complete harness , both vacuum and electrical side - It's only avail from M+H sold thru Yearone. Problem is the vacuum side is in-correct for an OE type resto.

BUT, I've talked to Tom at M+H and he told me they will change out the vacuum portion of the harness with a customer supplied correct version at no charge to the customer

I carry the vacuum side of the harness and they are different between between charger and wingcar.

http://amhightechauto.com/images/parts/VHK4.JPG

[hotrod98]

If your after the complete harness , both vacuum and electrical side - It's only avail from M+H sold thru Yearone. Problem is the vacuum side is in-correct for an OE type resto.

BUT, I've talked to Tom at M+H and he told me they will change out the vacuum portion of the harness with a customer supplied correct version at no charge to the customer

I carry the vacuum side of the harness and they are different between between charger and wingcar.

http://amhightechauto.com/images/parts/VHK4.JPG

The only one that YearOne shows is for a regular charger. Does he make one for a daytona? If not, he should and then do a group buy on this forum.  Should sell 10 to 15 sets.

[hotrod98]

Just checked the M&H website and he shows a 69 1/2 daytona forward lamp harness with a part number, but yearOne doesn't show it in their catalog.
I would be interested in buying one since I don't have a good 69 harness to alter.

[pettybird]

If I remember correctly the 69 charger harness plug was beside or near the battery.And the daytona/superbird harness plug was further up near the rad support area.And I spliced in section with identical male and female plugs of a rear tail harness to get it longer 

the daytona still connects by the battery.  you're right about the bird--it connects right on top of the core support.

[pettybird]

and as far as the hoses, by friend went to a craft store and bought a yellow and a green paint marker.  i held the hoses taut and he drew the lines on 'em.  sue us if there aren't any ribs on them!

[nascarxx29]

A friend of mine that had a few show winning superbirds in the 90-s he restored on the link below .Before you could even get the correct hoses  He.restriped his with a buegler pinstripe wheel as I recall.Who remembers Matt Morris superbirds and his unique handiwork.On his cars and and others
www.mattmorrisresto.com  http://www.mattmorrisresto.com/index-2.html

[BigBlockSam]

save your old harness and put the extra money towards your real bird . i was looking at the harness the other day. looks simple enough . 

[hotrod98]

Rene, Just so happens that I dug my old headlamp harness out of a box today and it's in pretty good shape. It was the taillight harness that was toast. I'll just go up to my mopar graveyard up on the hill and grab a connector out of another car and extend this harness. I appreciate all of the help from everyone.
This weekend I managed to get most of the bodywork finished on the fenders and hood, welded up the R/T emblem and vinylt top molding holes on the quarters and made my grille frame. Now I need to make and install the headliner retainer teeth, heat and reshape the daytona back glass moldings and start welding in the vega plug. I won't re-install the back glass until the headliner is in place. Still waiting on the headliner, door trim panels and leather seat covers from Legendary. Decided to go back leather since this car had leather from the factory.
Gotta get back out to the shop and finish installing the partial floor pans in the runner that's on the rotisserie.