How rare? 70 Charger, six cylinder, 3 SPD Manual Column

[VegasCharger]

.....I'd get rid of that long hood and put a bulge hood on it.

Power bulge hood is just as long.

My 2¢ 

[DanielRobert]

.....I'd get rid of that long hood and put a bulge hood on it.

Power bulge hood is just as long.

My 2¢ 

yes, just as long , but not flat!!

[69CoronetRT]

Lol....the only reason to build a clone is to pass it off as something it isn't. Otherwise, why build it?

Building for performance was always cool.
Rebadging to impress people was never cool.

This your opinion, not a fact by any measure.

Clone cars offer a person the ability to own a desireable model.....

Sure, a 225 1970 Charger is rare and unusual but it is also a waste to see such a beautiful car pushed around with such a non performance mill.

But they don't own a more desirable model. They own the same model with different decals......they know they own the same model with different decals. They want others to think it's a more desirable model. Why does a cool Satellite have to have RR decals to make it cool? What's wrong with a really nice 500? Why can't a Barracuda be as fast as a 'Cuda?

Why do people take it so personally when the obvious is pointed out? I'd rather someone just be honest and say that's why they did it not rationalize and justify it.

Different mindsets. I grew up with guys that wanted fast. They didn't GAS what the decals or emblems said. Fast was fast and that's what mattered; not a bird decal or R/T stripe. I watched Belvederes beat GTXs. Nobody cared it was a Belvedere. Everybody cared it was fast.

.....and that is your option, not a fact by any nature. I don't think it's a waste at all.

[Ghoste]

In any case, congratulations on buying the Charger ricoman.

[bakerhillpins]

That's a wonderful color combination!! White interior really goes well with that bronze.

[will]

I was shitting in my diapers when they built my car so I built what I wanted. If I put a stripe and badges on my car that's the way I would have ordered it, if I was able to. I have a plain jane 383 car, transforming it to what I want is my business. Not selling it, the kids argue about who's getting it when I croak. it's all for fun, I don't give one iota what anybody else's opinion is about it. My enjoyment trumps opinion.

[Alaskan_TA]

Just an FYI, but a 'clone' or 'cloning' has a legal meaning in the car world & it is not good.

If you are adding emblems, stripes, etc. then a better term to use would be 'replica'. 

An article on clones & cloning by the FBI at https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2009/march/cloning_032409

[Ghoste]

Good point Barry and I agree, replica is a much nicer way to put it anyway.

[alfaitalia]

Most "clones " on here are NOT vin cloned....they have their original doner car VIN.....cloning to pretend to be the real McCoy with a VIN off a destroyed Daytona or 'bird and maybe even being sold as real is a very different thing. And I'm willing to be there are more than a few members who own re-bodied cars they bought as the real thing. That said some non replica cars on here have had so much metal replaced they are virtually a clone of themselves!!

[74Rallye]

Now you have the best of both worlds, very rare and very desirable.

[Chad L. Magee]

Good to see another one that still exists....

I own one of the XH29C0Gs with the three on the tree manual in FE5/Black top/Charcoal interior combo.  It is totally complete (minus the vinyl top) but very rusty underneath.  There are likely only 15 to 20 of the XH29C0Gs left in any condition in my opinion.  TDC had only 5 of them registered back in 2004 when I registered mine with Wayne.  Most of the second gen /6 Chargers were either crushed or used as parts cars over time....

[DAY CLONA]

Lol....the only reason to build a clone is to pass it off as something it isn't. Otherwise, why build it?

Building for performance was always cool.
Rebadging to impress people was never cool.

You have somewhat of a point, re-badging is not "cool" when you put HEMI decals/emblems on your car and all you have is a 318 or 383 under the hood....

Building a clone for most is the desire to own a particular make/model optioned as they may have bought it new if given the chance, maybe some might enjoy looking for years/decades for the so-called "real" deal in the make/model and options of choice and paying a pretty penny either at the sale time, or after the restoration for a vehicle of pedigree, but for the clone builder it's about fulfilling that dream now, rather than later, or maybe never, the clone builder dosen't have to live with an undesirable color, or an automatic transmission when a 4 spd was desired, or a lack of options, or undesirable options for the sake of "preserving" a vehicles so-called pedigree whether for history or value

then there's the clone builder that builds an actual clone of a long lost or desired 1 of 1 vehicle that no amount of time or money will ever possess...

But in the grande scheme of all things automotive, be it an original or clone, rebody or replica A12, HEMI, 440/6, 383, 318, /6, R/T, SE, AAR, T/A, WO/RO, etc, etc, etc it's still production line trash from Detroit, a "factory" built form of conveyance or hotrod depending on how one looks at it, the degree of pedigree is in the mind of the owner

[DanielRobert]

People are really getting stuck on the "clone" word. As if it's some sort of diabolical attempt to fool the world. I've never seen it that way. It was a car that had some of the real deal parts on it. That's it. Nothing to prove . I never got the sense that the guy with the Satellite with the RR hood was thinking " look at these guys, they're all falling for it"  Who cares if the car is a Tempest with GTO stuff on it? Unless the GTO guy is mad that the 'clone' is getting all the attention?  And maybe looks just as good or better with a lower buy point than the real deal? The Tempests, Satellites, Barracudas,  etc are all cool, but if someone was going to add a few cooler parts(in their mind)? So be it.  I once bought a house that didn't have the 'Model' house options. I added them to my house as time went on cuz I liked some of the options . Did I clone it?  Did my neighbors hate me cuz I didn't have the real deal model? Shit, now I wonder.
FWIW I would have gravitated to a six cylinder 3 speed 70 Charger at a cruise nite, how neat! But if I owned it, I'd eventually change it. But thats just me.

[Chad L. Magee]

People are really getting stuck on the "clone" word. As if it's some sort of diabolical attempt to fool the world. I've never seen it that way. It was a car that had some of the real deal parts on it. That's it. Nothing to prove . I never got the sense that the guy with the Satellite with the RR hood was thinking " look at these guys, they're all falling for it"  Who cares if the car is a Tempest with GTO stuff on it? Unless the GTO guy is mad that the 'clone' is getting all the attention?  And maybe looks just as good or better with a lower buy point than the real deal? The Tempests, Satellites, Barracudas,  etc are all cool, but if someone was going to add a few cooler parts(in their mind)? So be it.  I once bought a house that didn't have the 'Model' house options. I added them to my house as time went on cuz I liked some of the options . Did I clone it?  Did my neighbors hate me cuz I didn't have the real deal model? Shit, now I wonder.
FWIW I would have gravitated to a six cylinder 3 speed 70 Charger at a cruise nite, how neat! But if I owned it, I'd eventually change it. But thats just me.

The catch about clones is that eventually the owner of the clone will have to hand the keys to a new owner someday.  That may be at death, a gift, an auction or a sale.  How the car gets represented in this process is the issue.  Some people would pass a clone off as something it was not to line their pockets with money that they do not deserve to have (ie. to sell it as a "real" version rather than what it is).  As long as the clone is always passed off as being a clone (and not what it is cloned as), I have no problem with it being a clone.  Some cars were just not produced in large enough numbers for everyone to have one of that particular type of car, no matter what budget they have to spend. 

Speaking of which: Ferrari is thinking of getting into the vintage Ferrari clone business, as some of their 1960's versions are pushing eight figures at auctions....

[Chad L. Magee]

You have somewhat of a point, re-badging is not "cool" when you put HEMI decals/emblems on your car and all you have is a 318 or 383 under the hood....

I had always thought it would be fun to make /6 call out decals on the hood of my 70 RT project and take off all of the RT badging/decals in the process.  Kinda the opposite of what you mentioned above.  Yes, that would make some  ...

[alfaitalia]

Speaking of which: Ferrari is thinking of getting into the vintage Ferrari clone business, as some of their 1960's versions are pushing eight figures at auctions....

Jaguar already do it....you can buy a replica of there light weight D type racer...straight from Jaguar. They use all original parts (some nos some remanufactured) and chassis and even the correct chassis numbers ...some being ones they missed and others carrying on from the number they left off from. They are so accurate they even qualify for classic racing...even though they are brand new!  Big money of course...not even street legal! Others they have either enough original parts for or the original moulds/jigs/casts for, will follow apparently.

[DAY CLONA]

But they don't own a more desirable model. They own the same model with different decals......they know they own the same model with different decals. They want others to think it's a more desirable model. Why does a cool Satellite have to have RR decals to make it cool? What's wrong with a really nice 500? Why can't a Barracuda be as fast as a 'Cuda?

I don't know if it's your close mindedness or narrow thinking? but your notion that an individual is trying to make others think his vehicle is more desirable might have some merit, but it would have to be assigned on an individual basis, knowing that was the individuals intent from the beginning... and not painting the entire group of "cloners" with your broad brush as such

I've been "cloning" vehicles since the 70's, it had nothing to do with budget, it pertained more to availability and desirability...

Personally I look at vehicles like art, I want what is attractive to my tastes, I don't care how or what a vehicle was created as initially, I'll mold it into my desire, some guys followed a different path in their automotive awareness whether it was their own doing, following the crowd, or instilled by family, or instilled by other sources, there's no right or wrong way to enjoy the hobby, just as there's no right or wrong way to own or build a vehicle... when I build a "clone/replica/1 of none) I build it for a customer or myself because that's what one desires, perhaps some have an ego to stroke, consciously or unconsciously, just as much as the individual who proclaims their vehicle numbers matching, original paint, or restored to OEM specs, original owner, yada, yada, yada there's different strokes for different folks thru out the hobby, some unfortunately have blinders and feed buckets attached only going in one direction, generally the way the crowd perceives or is directed...

[DAY CLONA]

Speaking of which: Ferrari is thinking of getting into the vintage Ferrari clone business, as some of their 1960's versions are pushing eight figures at auctions....

Jaguar already do it....you can buy a replica of there light weight D type racer...straight from Jaguar. They use all original parts (some nos some remanufactured) and chassis and even the correct chassis numbers ...some being ones they missed and others carrying on from the number they left off from. They are so accurate they even qualify for classic racing...even though they are brand new!  Big money of course...not even street legal! Others they have either enough original parts for or the original moulds/jigs/casts for, will follow apparently.

It's actually an all new vehicle built to early standards, each (only 6 made to date, and IIRC that's all you'll see produced) are pretty much spoken for and to select individuals at 1.5 Million English Pounds (2.1 mil USD) most of the vintage UK race tracks will not allow the vehicle race/track attendance regardless of their factory continuation/number assignment, beautiful cars though!...small team of factory individuals building each car, basically by hand

[AKcharger]

I have a '70 charger 500 with a '69 charger 500 stripe!

[tan top]

Much appreciated everyone!  I bought it as a clone knowing what I was getting into but I did not get the fender tag until 6 months after the purchase.  Once I saw it, I never saw a car like this.  That being said, value is in the eye of the beholder and right now the decision on this car was made long before I got it and there is no way I am taking it back to it.  I am glad this knowledge is now out there that goofy cars like this were made and some saw it to be the perfect clone candidate...
Thanks all.

hello & welcome   , what others say slant 6 charger a rare car    looks awesome now though   

[darbgnik]

I have a '70 charger 500 with a '69 charger 500 stripe!

I have a 70, with the tail panel blacked out, a-la 69....