XV Motorsports modified '69...not feeling it for the 85k price tag

[Troy]

B. You guys know that car has been converted to a coil over front suspension right? That little bar in the engine compartment does actually do something...

nope, I didn't know that ?
Hmmm...
You might have a point there Troy ?

But I still believe, IMO....
that if a person is "permanently" converting..... something as important to safety as a "coil over" front steering suspension... with the need therein for re-enforcing the top mount ?... if THAT is the intent of the bar ?
it should be done in a manner equally "permanent" to the uni-body construction.... as in "permanent" by welding.
What happens if the Bolts come loose ?
What happens if somebody forgets to re-install the Bar ?

It is probably functional to added strength on the top coil over mount.... no doubt about that.... but I believe it was more "looks", than "function" if it comes to liabilities over time ?

There are a couple of reasons I mentioned it - but mainly to see if anyone was paying attention.

If you ever watched XVs original video of their suspension testing you'd see that a stock B or E body flexes a great deal in the engine compartment area. Torque boxes, radiator support brace, and inner fender supports lessen the movement considerably and aren't as "in your face" as the engine cross brace. (They are actually pretty well hidden from a casual observer.) That doesn't mean the brace isn't necessary - but it probably won't be nearly as noticeable if you've done the other mods first.

I mentioned the coil over suspension but if you look at the design you can see that it isn't directly mounted to the shock towers like some others. So, in this case, the bar isn't there to counteract the additional forces from the suspension - it just stiffens the unibody. Possibly overkill? EXCEPT that the entire front suspension and steering is now contained in the k-frame assembly so any movement of the front frame rails negates some of the advantages.

Yes, when you get to competition level cars it seems a bit pointless to not have a cage. However, the market for this sort of suspension/brake/steering package is to have a car that looks reasonably stock but will handle very well - at least a LOT better than stock without the harshness of a full blown competition car. It's a compromise that work pretty good for most people I'd imagine.

Troy

[Mytur Binsdirti]

If the car had the reinforcements on the interior side of the firewall, the bracing would be effective in the same way that subframe connectors are.

The point I was making is what could the brackets be bolted to on the inside of the firewall? That's a tough area to get some bracing up to and hopefully, it's not just bolted to the sheetmetal

[Cooter]

"Handling" seems to be a tough sell to this Mopar crowd. Life is more than 1320 feet of arrow straight pavement.
Triangulating is a proven theory in many conditions. It works. If the car had the reinforcements on the interior side of the firewall, the bracing would be effective in the same way that subframe connectors are.
In 1973, the A body line got 2 diagonal braces from the firewall to the fenders. I'm sure the b body line did too. While the braces were not nearly as robust as the one on this XV car, the theory is valid. Ever look at a 60s Mustang? Same principal in play there. Don't dismiss the bracing as being on par with Chrome chinese valve covers or Honda fart pipes because YOU don't understand it.
Cornering is so much more fun than drag racing. A car that can turn corners can still be fast in the 1/4 mile. A dragstrip car usually can't corner worth a damn.

I get the canyon carving thing....really, I do...however, when dealing with musclecars, two roll up to a stoplight, one driver says to other...
"Hey man, I bet I can beat you to the next town through and over those mountain curvy roads"...said nobody.......ever.

[Kern Dog]

That is funny Cooter, but not entirely true.
Said Nobody you ever knew...is more accurate.

[TUFCAT]

I agree with Cooter! 

(I'm having this "strange but true"
sensation right now)! 

[6spd68]

I get the canyon carving thing....really, I do...however, when dealing with musclecars, two roll up to a stoplight, one driver says to other...
"Hey man, I bet I can beat you to the next town through and over those mountain curvy roads"...said nobody.......ever.

How awesome of a race would that be though?  Hell, I'd do it in a muscle car with stock suspension just to scare the life out of me 

[Ghoste]

Although in a certain way that is how NASCAR got off the ground. 

[Kern Dog]

A Charger can be made to handle as well as a new car or even better. The unibody is a great starting point and with additional reinforcements it is still lighter than most new cars. Our classics are bound by no emission regulations so we can swap in pretty much any mill we want. The wheelwells are big enough to stuff in some crazy big tires. A car that turns and stops is serious fun. A car that goes fast for 12 seconds but can't negotiate a freeway cloverleaf at more than 30 mph? Ahhh... not my thing.

[XS29L9B2]

it s really expensive for by one name 

[kokxville]

https://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-dodge-charger-rt-over/6426027841.html

It's back for sale again,only now it seems to have a manual 5 speed backed behind it instead of the automatic. 

[chargerperson]

https://nwct.craigslist.org/cto/d/1969-dodge-charger-rt-over/6426027841.html

It's back for sale again,only now it seems to have a manual 5 speed backed behind it instead of the automatic. 

Though perhaps not to everyone's taste, car seemed to be decent buy in eBay original auction at $40k.  Now it appears as a "must sell" at $65,000 (or $69,000 if you believe the detailed description).  Must sell at 62.5% profit after driving for 3 years!