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leading the quarter panel below door?

Started by mopar4don, October 28, 2016, 10:01:04 PM

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mopar4don

I am wondering how I should attach the lower part of the quarter panel. I know the factory used lead here. But I am not sure if this is the way to do it?
Please opinions needed, and if anyone has links to pics showing this PLEASE post them. thank you

68 charger freak

The factory used lead as a body filler .its not used to attach any body components . From what I rember there should be  4-5 plug/spot welds along the side of the rocker/quarter ,and 4-5 plug welds along the bottom of the rocker/quarter . Then there should be plug welds along the pinch weld every 1"-1.5"
68 charger, pro touring build ,mini tub,528 wedge,magnum-xl 6 speed,rms alterkation,martz 4 link,moser 8.75,custom interior

hemi-hampton

6 spot welds under this quarter & 6 more at the back. LEON.

mopar4don

Quote from: 68 charger freak on October 28, 2016, 11:24:05 PM
The factory used lead as a body filler .its not used to attach any body components . From what I rember there should be  4-5 plug/spot welds along the side of the rocker/quarter ,and 4-5 plug welds along the bottom of the rocker/quarter . Then there should be plug welds along the pinch weld every 1"-1.5"

Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 29, 2016, 12:23:38 AM
6 spot welds under this quarter & 6 more at the back. LEON.

Thanks for responding, I do remember the spot welds like in the pic. And I will defiantly do this.
I know some guys still use the lead, and some use some type of reinforced filler. What type is good for this and the quarter to roof seam?
Is AllMetal a good choice? (please include pics or links)

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: mopar4don on October 29, 2016, 08:08:32 AM
Quote from: 68 charger freak on October 28, 2016, 11:24:05 PM
The factory used lead as a body filler .its not used to attach any body components . From what I rember there should be  4-5 plug/spot welds along the side of the rocker/quarter ,and 4-5 plug welds along the bottom of the rocker/quarter . Then there should be plug welds along the pinch weld every 1"-1.5"

Quote from: hemi-hampton on October 29, 2016, 12:23:38 AM
6 spot welds under this quarter & 6 more at the back. LEON.

Thanks for responding, I do remember the spot welds like in the pic. And I will defiantly do this.
I know some guys still use the lead, and some use some type of reinforced filler. What type is good for this and the quarter to roof seam?
Is AllMetal a good choice? (please include pics or links)

If you want the roof to quarter seam to to be shrink free it needs to be either leaded,or make a steel patch to fill the void.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

Dreamcar

I'm glad this is here...installing my quarters within the next few weeks.  :cheers:
"And another thing, when I gun the motor, I want people to think the world is coming to an end." - Homer Simpson

1969 Charger, 383, Q5/V1W, A35, H51, N88,  numbers match (under restoration)

tsmithae

Just my  :Twocents: but I did spot welds at the rocker seam, plug welds where the quarter overlaps the rocker on the bottom, and used US Allmetal for filling the seam instead of lead. For what it's worth I used Allmetal for the c pillar seam as well.
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Dreamcar

Quote from: tsmithae on October 29, 2016, 09:30:37 AM
Just my  :Twocents: but I did spot welds at the rocker seam, plug welds where the quarter overlaps the rocker on the bottom, and used US Allmetal for filling the seam instead of lead. For what it's worth I used Allmetal for the c pillar seam as well.

I would agree...allmetal or a high quality glass filler for anywhere the factory used lead
"And another thing, when I gun the motor, I want people to think the world is coming to an end." - Homer Simpson

1969 Charger, 383, Q5/V1W, A35, H51, N88,  numbers match (under restoration)

Lennard

Quote from: tsmithae on October 29, 2016, 09:30:37 AM
Just my  :Twocents: but I did spot welds at the rocker seam, plug welds where the quarter overlaps the rocker on the bottom, and used US Allmetal for filling the seam instead of lead. For what it's worth I used Allmetal for the c pillar seam as well.
I agree.  I've seen the lead "show" to many times underneath the paint. No lead on my cars.

Charger-Bodie

Go to a car show on a hot day and look for cars that you can see the seem is sweelled it will be not lead every time. Unless it's a survivor that got moisture behind it. I put a vinyl top on my black charger because it'd the car was cool the seams looked perfect, but on a hot sunny day you could see them. That was with all metal and I've seen it with many fillers. Any that I have leaded are rock solid stable.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

Dreamcar

Quote from: Charger-Bodie on October 29, 2016, 02:02:41 PM
Go to a car show on a hot day and look for cars that you can see the seem is sweelled it will be not lead every time. Unless it's a survivor that got moisture behind it. I put a vinyl top on my black charger because it'd the car was cool the seams looked perfect, but on a hot sunny day you could see them. That was with all metal and I've seen it with many fillers. Any that I have leaded are rock solid stable.

Did you solid weld the seam?
"And another thing, when I gun the motor, I want people to think the world is coming to an end." - Homer Simpson

1969 Charger, 383, Q5/V1W, A35, H51, N88,  numbers match (under restoration)

Charger-Bodie

Quote from: Dreamcar on October 29, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on October 29, 2016, 02:02:41 PM
Go to a car show on a hot day and look for cars that you can see the seem is sweelled it will be not lead every time. Unless it's a survivor that got moisture behind it. I put a vinyl top on my black charger because it'd the car was cool the seams looked perfect, but on a hot sunny day you could see them. That was with all metal and I've seen it with many fillers. Any that I have leaded are rock solid stable.

Did you solid weld the seam?

Yes. The problem with plastic filler even metal rich plastic filler is that it expands and contracts at a much different rate than steel. This Isn't a problem normally, but when it's 1/4 inch thick and right net to that it's hardly any thickness at all it's going to show up. Now if it's getting covered by a vinyl top you will never see it.
68 Charger R/t white with black v/t and red tailstripe. 440 4 speed ,black interior
68 383 auto with a/c and power windows. Now 440 4 speed jj1 gold black interior .
My Charger is a hybrid car, it burns gas and rubber............

Dreamcar

Quote from: Charger-Bodie on October 29, 2016, 02:51:17 PM
Quote from: Dreamcar on October 29, 2016, 02:33:47 PM
Quote from: Charger-Bodie on October 29, 2016, 02:02:41 PM
Go to a car show on a hot day and look for cars that you can see the seem is sweelled it will be not lead every time. Unless it's a survivor that got moisture behind it. I put a vinyl top on my black charger because it'd the car was cool the seams looked perfect, but on a hot sunny day you could see them. That was with all metal and I've seen it with many fillers. Any that I have leaded are rock solid stable.

Did you solid weld the seam?

Yes. The problem with plastic filler even metal rich plastic filler is that it expands and contracts at a much different rate than steel. This Isn't a problem normally, but when it's 1/4 inch thick and right net to that it's hardly any thickness at all it's going to show up. Now if it's getting covered by a vinyl top you will never see it.

Thanks. My goal is to skim coat only so hopefully no issues.
"And another thing, when I gun the motor, I want people to think the world is coming to an end." - Homer Simpson

1969 Charger, 383, Q5/V1W, A35, H51, N88,  numbers match (under restoration)