replacement vin

[polywideblock]

just how much would this affect the value of a matching no r/t   

[Baldwinvette77]

ALOT would be my guess, Basically when you buy an R/T you are paying for the vin number, and the car is just a nice bonus  otherwise it would just be a clone.... well in my opinion atleast...

[familymopar]

OP said it "no RT".  I am assuming that meant non-RT, In which case I wouldn't think all that much unless you were going for a complete oem resto.  Seems like a great pic for a "do what you want" car.

[TUFCAT]

It defeats the purpose of numbers matching   Matching what?  

[polywideblock]

I meant numbers matching they have  build sheet etc.   looked alright until I came across replaced vin  .   not 49K alright but




http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dodge-Charger-R-T-440-SIX-PACK-7-2-V8-B-Body-3rd-Gen-71-1971-MOPAR-Rare-4-Speed-Manual-RT-440-6-PACK-/271539502743?forcerrptr=true&hash=item3f3903fe97&item=271539502743&pt=US_Cars_Trucks

looking again lower parts of car looks crusty and  painted over , exhaust rusting out from inside.
  coming from NY   could it be a sandy car ?   

[69charger2002]

i think the OP meant matching numbers R/T. While i'm not a numbers matching U or L in a vin code type of guy, it would certainly affect the price of the car. I personally don't mind a replacement vin as long as paperwork is all legit, and there is no funny business from the orginal VIN(i.e. rebody etc) and was simply lost during a resto or whatever.. then who cares? I wouldn't hesitate to buy one that had a state issued replacement if the price was right... Would I look past it on a $30k numbers  matching R/T? Probably not. But on a $15k driver car.. absolutely.

EDIT.. $49k?!?!?! NO THANKS

[hemi-hampton]

I'd like to see a fender tag, If no vin or fender tag maybe it's a clone. 

[familymopar]

i think the OP meant matching numbers R/T.

Yep that seems obvious now.  Sorry for the misread.

[Ghoste]

It hurts the value without question.  Also, what is the backstory?  There is a reason that tag was issued, was the car stolen at some point, pulled from a salvage yard, stripped and left for dead?

[Baldwinvette77]

It hurts the value without question.  Also, what is the backstory?  There is a reason that tag was issued, was the car stolen at some point, pulled from a salvage yard, stripped and left for dead?

And Who has the real vin number, and what car is wearing it? 

[Troy]

There are VIN numbers on the car other than the tag. It's pretty easy to misplace a dash (if the car was ever in a junkyard or even stored outside) or a tag (once a body shop removes it for whatever reason). A state issued VIN is generally given out when the original identifying tag is missing (even though the other numbers are there) and after a thorough check of the car - to see that no one else has registered it with the original number. Would I own one? Yes. Would I pay the same as one with the original tags? No. Not for something rare. As the cars get cheaper it's less important. Having said that, how many high dollar cars are running around with reproduction tags?

Troy

[DAY CLONA]

just how much would this affect the value of a matching no r/t   

For some it's all about the numbers.....for others it's all about the vehicle, and "numbers" mean squat, I'm in the group that could care less about numbers, other than what HP is being layed down, VIN's mean nothing to me, as long as the DMV/RMV has no issues with what I have, a "tag" like that would not deter me from a purchase, granted I myself would never bother to put a vehicle needing a VIN under the scrutiny of LEO or DMV/RMV officials,....there's other means/ways to obtain a VIN tag like "original" 

[Ghoste]

An offside question, but if you were buying an investment grade vehicle, would you still pay investment grade price with a state issued tag?  (of course, I am only guessing here but you would also be one of the folks with the resources- not monetary necessarily- to correct it which makes the question a bit rhetorical)

[TUFCAT]

For my two cents worth, I'd certainly want to know the back story like Ghoste mentioned.

Beyond that I might be prepared make an offer, but for considerably less money than the going rate.

There would have to at least 25% devaluation for me to become the next owner.  Because I would also have to consider future value down the road should I ever sell....There's a limited population of buyers willing to own such a car.    

[familymopar]

For my two cents worth, I'd certainly want to know the back story like Ghoste mentioned.

Beyond that I might be prepared make an offer, but for considerably less money than the going rate.

There would have to at least 25% devaluation for me to become the next owner.  Because I would also have to consider future value down the road should I ever sell....There's a limited population of buyers willing to own such a car.   

[Charger_Dart]

just how much would this affect the value of a matching no r/t   

For some it's all about the numbers.....for others it's all about the vehicle, and "numbers" mean squat, I'm in the group that could care less about numbers, other than what HP is being layed down, VIN's mean nothing to me, as long as the DMV/RMV has no issues with what I have, a "tag" like that would not deter me from a purchase, granted I myself would never bother to put a vehicle needing a VIN under the scrutiny of LEO or DMV/RMV officials,....there's other means/ways to obtain a VIN tag like "original" 

I am in the same group. When I bought our Dart it had no fender tag and replacement dash VIN. I researched the RMV / DMV's as far back as possible and previous owners and they all said that's the way the car was when they owned it. My RMV has no problem with the repo VIN and the car is never advertised as something its not. We just enjoy it as-is. I am sure if the day comes to sell it, the value will be lower then one with a correct fender tag & VIN. How much, well who knows......

 

[DAY CLONA]

An offside question, but if you were buying an investment grade vehicle, would you still pay investment grade price with a state issued tag?  (of course, I am only guessing here but you would also be one of the folks with the resources- not monetary necessarily- to correct it which makes the question a bit rhetorical)

If I was buying an "investment grade" vehicle with a State issued VIN, sure, I'd use that to my advantage to lower the buying/asking price, then the State VIN would probably "fall" off the vehicle at some point, and be replaced with a "proper" VIN...IMHO the only need for a State issued VIN, is when the vehicle is a new construction, Kit Car (total fabrication from the ground up/ not a rebody kit/panel mods) or when there's absolutely no trace of a VIN anywhere on the vehicle, and the vehicle is of extremely limited production so obtaining a "factory" VIN is doubtful, but if it was a typical piece of vintage Detroit iron, a VIN/and or paperwork can always materialize

[Old Moparz]

just how much would this affect the value of a matching no r/t   

Sadly it will have a lot to do with the value. There are a lot of people that have the money to pay for a toy that includes the bragging rights to be one of the few that have that model, motor & combination of options. Not everyone is in the old car hobby for the same reasons & some are more interested in value & investment than anything else.

Personally I would never look at a car in that price range for several reasons. One is, I don't have that kind of toy money to spend, & another reason is that I've never felt that ANY old car is worth that amount. I'm not knocking those who have the money & do think that way, I just don't for myself.

Would I like to have a one of single digit cars made? Maybe, but it depends on what it is & whether I like it. I like 1969 Chargers more than the other years, so if I were to look at a number of Chargers for sale, I would be okay with a state issued VIN as long as the car was legal. I'd rather own a state VIN, 1969 triple black, A/C Charger than a matching numbers car in a crap color of a different year with the original VIN tag.

[polywideblock]

so from the replies it seems that a replacement "factory "vin could be procured       

how and where would you get this ?

the few threads I've read the reproducers say they don't do this anymore,  so would this be an equally expensive  GTS replacement ?

49 K is to rich for me as well, I got mine with all paperwork and factory tags for less than 30 K
admittedly it is in  b5 blue not fc7 which  I'd call the most desirable colour, for me anyway  but   

how much more would you pay for  a desirable colour ?

[Ghoste]

Its out there, you have to do a little digging but it isn't overly hard to find.

[Old Moparz]

Color would only matter to me if I were buying a finished car, but it won't change the value very much to me. If it's a nice car that's done correctly & has other options I want, then I might look past the color & still pay the same. I'll admit that a color I am not crazy about might force me to look at other cars, but it's not the top priority.

When I was looking for a 1970 Plymouth several years ago I wanted a GTX in Burnt Orange & seriously looked at 3 of them. I would have been fine with a Road Runner, a Belvedere, or a Satellite, but it would have to have been a really good car priced accordingly. I actually ended up with a Road Runner with a 440-4spd in Lime green, which is another color I like, so I am content.

If I were car shopping & found one that had any hint that the dash VIN tag was a reproduction of the factory style tag, I'd walk. I want nothing to do with a car that can come back & bite me later. There are people who have had tags made & openly posted about them on this forum & others. There are even more people that will pat them on the back for it & don't care.

To me & many others, it taints the history of the car & the integrity of the previous owners. Was it a legit reason to put a repro tag on the car, or was it for monetary gains & deceit? Was it a stolen car? How about a parts car with no tag? Maybe it came down the assembly line with a 318 but had been swapped to a big block & deemed "less valuable" so someone took care of that.