Coupe or hardtop?

[ODZKing]

  69CoronetRT
Anything with a fixed window was considered a coupe except the SE.
For some reason Chrysler considered that a hardtop.
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[69CoronetRT]

Here's why the SE is considered a HT.

While standard, the louvers were considered part of the standard vinyl roof and, I'm guessing here, an extension of the C pillar, not as 'rear windows' per se.
You could opt for the halo roof which gives you a traditional HT look.
The BIW would be a HT configuration.

[ODZKing]

Here's why the SE is considered a HT.

While standard, the louvers were considered part of the standard vinyl roof and, I'm guessing here, an extension of the C pillar, not as 'rear windows' per se.
You could opt for the halo roof which gives you a traditional HT look.
The BIW would be a HT configuration.

Best explanation I have heard. 

[Nacho-RT74]

only REAL coupe by definition on Chargers are the 73/74 SE, which actually got a real B pillar, althought structurally is not a big deal

sorry... I meant REAL no rear.

I keep my statement, coupes by automovile definitions usally stands for a 2 doors car with B pillar post and opera window or pop up glass

Hardtops are B pillarless

after that we have what diff cars brands wanted to meant about that. Myself I can't consider a 73/74 SE as a hardtop, or even a simply fixed glass car as a coupe just because the simulated B pillar due the molding on glass. I think the diff uses of hardtop or coupes definition on Chargers at least was to set a diff price class, but not really what structurally really is.

of course, later Charger models ( 5th gen ) are also Coupes my automotive industry definition.

[Nacho-RT74]

Here's why the SE is considered a HT.

While standard, the louvers were considered part of the standard vinyl roof and, I'm guessing here, an extension of the C pillar, not as 'rear windows' per se.
You could opt for the halo roof which gives you a traditional HT look.
The BIW would be a HT configuration.

Best explanation I have heard. 

but remove the louvers which is not more than an insert and the B pillar is there

or lets talk about the M07 code on 74s... which are the same than a SE but without louvers.

once again, I think is a matter of price class on Chargers which defines the hardtop or coupe, but not really what structurally is

[69CoronetRT]

I think is a matter of price class on Chargers which defines the hardtop or coupe, but not really what structurally is

Other way around.
Structure defines the price class. Coupes and sedans are 'lower' price classes than HTs.
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[Nacho-RT74]

yeap, but what I meant is the SE being REALLY a coupe, is defined on sales books as a Hardtop... then we have the real hardtops with roll down glass, then the coupes with fixed windows which actually is ALSO a hardtop, just with quarter glass allways rolled up... can we really say the quarter glass molding is REALLY a B pillar? just remove the glass and you won't find any pillar...

now remove the louvers, and will get allways a B pillar there... in fact REMOVE THE GLASS TOO ( and body filler insert ), and the B pillar is still there, although really doesn't make anything important to the body strenght

they are from top price to bottom in the order I posted as hardtop-hardtop-coupe, but structurally they are really allmost backwards

being objective structurally we can't  put side by side a 73/74SE as a hardtop just because we can think the louvers and rest of parts as part of the C pillar, like the second gens camaros, with no quarter glass, and just the C pillar... you know what I meant ?

[69CoronetRT]

yeap, but what I meant is the SE being REALLY a coupe, is defined on sales books as a Hardtop... then we have the real hardtops with roll down glass, then the coupes with fixed windows which actually is ALSO a hardtop, just with quarter glass allways rolled up... can we really say the quarter glass molding is REALLY a B pillar? just remove the glass and you won't find any pillar...

now remove the louvers, and will get allways a B pillar there... in fact REMOVE THE GLASS TOO ( and body filler insert ), and the B pillar is still there, although really doesn't make anything important to the body strenght

they are from top price to bottom in the order I posted as hardtop-hardtop-coupe, but structurally they are really allmost backwards

being objective structurally we can't  put side by side a 73/74SE as a hardtop just because we can think the louvers and rest of parts as part of the C pillar, like the second gens camaros, with no quarter glass, and just the C pillar... you know what I meant ?

No and I don't think you, I and Chrysler will agree on this.

[VegasCharger]

yeap, but what I meant is the SE being REALLY a coupe, is defined on sales books as a Hardtop... then we have the real hardtops with roll down glass, then the coupes with fixed windows which actually is ALSO a hardtop, just with quarter glass allways rolled up... can we really say the quarter glass molding is REALLY a B pillar? just remove the glass and you won't find any pillar...


they are from top price to bottom in the order I posted as hardtop-hardtop-coupe, but structurally now remove the louvers, and will get allways a B pillar there... in fact REMOVE THE GLASS TOO ( and body filler insert ), and the B pillar is still there, although really doesn't make anything important to the body strenght
they are really allmost backwards

being objective structurally we can't  put side by side a 73/74SE as a hardtop just because we can think the louvers and rest of parts as part of the C pillar, like the second gens camaros, with no quarter glass, and just the C pillar... you know what I meant ?

Pics to better help Nacho's statement  
Sorry about pic #2 it's the best one I could find with glass still installed but w/o the louvers.
This was of my parting out my '73 SE

PIC 1 Louver, Glass & Plug

PIC 2 Glass & Plug

PIC 3 Plug Removal

PIC 4 Plug Stand Alone

PIC 5 Quarter Window Area Structure