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Title: don't you sometimes hate your car? (8/13:inspected, licenced and ready to roll)
Post by: CB on June 14, 2010, 11:00:38 AM
Well, I do :flame: :flame: :flame:

As smooth this ride was when cruising in the States the more headache it gives me now :icon_smile_angry:

The battery won't charge. Replaced several bad wires and cleaned up the connections. Replaced the volt regulator, replaced the old ALT with a working ALT.

Nothing :shruggy:

The Charger had to be ready by now, appointment made to get it inspected tomorrow, getting plates on Wednesday and alignment on Saturday, took time off from work for this ... DAMN!!!

End rant, sorry I had to vent :icon_smile_angry:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: bakerhillpins on June 14, 2010, 11:02:39 AM
Just send it to me. That will solve all your problems.  :yesnod:  ;D
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: moparstuart on June 14, 2010, 11:03:53 AM
are you sure you put a single field alternator on it ??

Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on June 14, 2010, 11:20:27 AM
Quote from: moparstuart on June 14, 2010, 11:03:53 AM
are you sure you put a single field alternator on it ??



Everything is stock except MSD 6AL ignition / elec.volt regulator ....
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Cooter on June 14, 2010, 11:33:09 AM
I was thinking the DUAL field Alt. was used with the Electronic Voltage regulator.....And the Single Field alt. was used with the old style Mechanical regulator...
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: moparstuart on June 14, 2010, 11:45:52 AM
Quote from: Cooter on June 14, 2010, 11:33:09 AM
I was thinking the DUAL field Alt. was used with the Electronic Voltage regulator.....And the Single Field alt. was used with the old style Mechanical regulator...
so with this MSD set up does he need to move up to a 70 style dual field  :shruggy:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Ghoste on June 14, 2010, 11:50:03 AM
I have a single field with an electronic regulator and MSD6-AL.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: bull on June 14, 2010, 11:50:47 AM
Yes I sometimes hate my car but I also rarely feel sorry for anyone whose Charger is in one piece and frequently moves around on public highways under its own power.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Charger´69 on June 14, 2010, 11:54:31 AM
Quote from: CB on June 14, 2010, 11:00:38 AM
Well, I do :flame: :flame: :flame:

As smooth this ride was when cruising in the States the more headache it gives me now :icon_smile_angry:

The battery won't charge. Replaced several bad wires and cleaned up the connections. Replaced the volt regulator, replaced the old ALT with a working ALT.

Nothing :shruggy:

The Charger had to be ready by now, appointment made to get it inspected tomorrow, getting plates on Wednesday and alignment on Saturday, took time off from work for this ... DAMN!!!

End rant, sorry I had to vent :icon_smile_angry:

I´m with you with that  :hah:

I have same problems, it won´t charge always  :flame: I have cleaned up connections, checked alternator and cleaned it and so on but it won´t start to charge always. Sometimes it starts to charge but now I think my VR is dead because it didn´t start to charge at all last week and it let battery go empty. Tomorrow I´ll get new voltage regulator, I hope that solve this problem. If not, I´ll have to buy new alternator and and and.......  :shruggy:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Charger´69 on June 14, 2010, 11:55:49 AM
Quote from: Ghoste on June 14, 2010, 11:50:03 AM
I have a single field with an electronic regulator and MSD6-AL.

How you know is it single field or dual field alternator..?  :scratchchin: Because I have electronic VR but I don´t know what my alternator is  :scratchchin:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: bakerhillpins on June 14, 2010, 11:59:08 AM
Quote from: CB on June 14, 2010, 11:00:38 AM
Replaced several bad wires and cleaned up the connections. Replaced the volt regulator, replaced the old ALT with a working ALT.

Nothing :shruggy:

When you replaced the wires and cleaned up connections are you sure you tightened the nuts on the connections and/or pushed the pins all the way back into their connectors? I've done both and its frustrating because you can't see the forest for the trees.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Ghoste on June 14, 2010, 12:00:33 PM
If there is one field terminal or two on the alternator.  Technically I have a dual field one but I have grounded one field out since I only have wiring to connect to a single field alternator.  I have a single one in the shop that I was running but I got a great deal on the rebuilt dual field one I am using now.  My regulator is one of those aftermarket ones that is for use with the single field setup so there were no wiring changes for that either.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: 68blue on June 14, 2010, 12:04:07 PM

Never hate the car itself, just the bills for the parts. ;)
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Dans 68 on June 14, 2010, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: CB on June 14, 2010, 11:00:38 AM
Well, I do :flame: :flame: :flame:

Ah, Christian. My young apprentice. Don't hate, but rather think of Lola as an extremely beautiful, but needy, girlfriend. You will need to buy her baubles to keep her happy, and you will need to preen her all the time to keep her feeling good about herself. But don't forget those glorious minutes (moments?  :rofl:) when she gives you immense satisfaction. And when you are with her on the road all those unfortunate others without such a woman will be envious of your sugar-daddy status with the most beautiful girlfriend in the world.

That is what Charger ownership is all about.  :2thumbs:

Dan
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: resq302 on June 14, 2010, 01:30:35 PM
I think we all get to that point at sometime.  I had that feeling lately when the alternator pivot bolt snapped off inside the head on me.  That was the second time in two years.  It gets frustrating for sure but in the end, you just have to take a step back and just give yourself time to relax and think about what the problem might be.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Troy on June 14, 2010, 01:38:16 PM
Yes.

Troy
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: 1970Moparmann on June 14, 2010, 02:15:26 PM
Couple things for you, more of my experience with this issue.

My Coronet had the same issue, and it also ran like crap.  I fooled around with it for years, and the system just would not charge.  I wound up driving off the battery just because I was sick and tired of dealing with it.  Well, I wound up putting new wire harnesses in the car, since the original wires were in the car, and whammmoooo it charges!  Could have been back connectors, wires, but I bit the bullet and put new wiring throughout and the first thing I checked was the charging, and it's good to go!

Second, on my 68 Charger, I had an issue with it not charging.  I called Power Master up and since my alternator had a second terminal, they said to ground the second terminal and I'll be good.  Sure enough, it worked! 

I know it can be frustrating, BELIEVE ME!  I just went through 4 weeks of solid crap to get ready for the Hot Rod Power Tour.

Hope this helps! :2thumbs:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Belgium R/T -68 on June 14, 2010, 03:01:53 PM
Tell me about it CB, I've done that alot. :yesnod: Like I said saturday, let me know when you have time and I will come over. :2thumbs:

Per
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: alcusswhen on June 14, 2010, 03:37:14 PM
Quote from: CB on June 14, 2010, 11:00:38 AM
Well, I do :flame: :flame: :flame:

As smooth this ride was when cruising in the States the more headache it gives me now :icon_smile_angry:

The battery won't charge. Replaced several bad wires and cleaned up the connections. Replaced the volt regulator, replaced the old ALT with a working ALT.

Nothing :shruggy:

The Charger had to be ready by now, appointment made to get it inspected tomorrow, getting plates on Wednesday and alignment on Saturday, took time off from work for this ... DAMN!!!

Replace the battery.

End rant, sorry I had to vent :icon_smile_angry:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: 68blue on June 14, 2010, 03:43:49 PM
Quote from: Dans 68 on June 14, 2010, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: CB on June 14, 2010, 11:00:38 AM
Well, I do :flame: :flame: :flame:

Ah, Christian. My young apprentice. Don't hate, but rather think of Lola as an extremely beautiful, but needy, girlfriend. You will need to buy her baubles to keep her happy, and you will need to preen her all the time to keep her feeling good about herself. But don't forget those glorious minutes (moments?  :rofl:) when she gives you immense satisfaction. And when you are with her on the road all those unfortunate others without such a woman will be envious of your sugar-daddy status with the most beautiful girlfriend in the world.

That is what Charger ownership is all about.  :2thumbs:

Dan

Gotta be careful about letting the wife read stuff like this. :smilielol:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Just 6T9 CHGR on June 14, 2010, 03:57:21 PM
Quote from: Troy on June 14, 2010, 01:38:16 PM
Yes.

Troy


meee  tooo...  :scratchchin:

not necessarily hate....just bored... :rotz:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on June 14, 2010, 03:59:28 PM
Quote from: alcusswhen on June 14, 2010, 03:37:14 PM
Quote from: CB on June 14, 2010, 11:00:38 AM
Well, I do :flame: :flame: :flame:

As smooth this ride was when cruising in the States the more headache it gives me now :icon_smile_angry:

The battery won't charge. Replaced several bad wires and cleaned up the connections. Replaced the volt regulator, replaced the old ALT with a working ALT.

Nothing :shruggy:

The Charger had to be ready by now, appointment made to get it inspected tomorrow, getting plates on Wednesday and alignment on Saturday, took time off from work for this ... DAMN!!!

Replace the battery.

End rant, sorry I had to vent :icon_smile_angry:
Forgot to mention, got a brand new battery...
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Hemidog on June 14, 2010, 04:27:22 PM
Hell yes!

Used up all my aggression on removing the windshield moldings to try and seal the windshield up with butyl (AGAIN!). Rain seeps through between the gasket and body.
Did it work?

Hell no!
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: 1969chargerrtse on June 14, 2010, 05:04:36 PM
I used to hate my car, but now that I replaced most parts and it runs good, I'm in love with it.  :icon_smile_big:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: 1970Moparmann on June 14, 2010, 08:44:30 PM
Quote from: Hemidog on June 14, 2010, 04:27:22 PM
Hell yes!

Used up all my aggression on removing the windshield moldings to try and seal the windshield up with butyl (AGAIN!). Rain seeps through between the gasket and body.
Did it work?

Hell no!

Just found this issue on Wednesday!!! Boy does that suck!
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on June 15, 2010, 09:45:44 AM
To top of the cake I heard that the guy from the Dodge dealership, who suppose to drive my car to the inspection, is sick and won't return before the 6th of f#ckin July  :flame:

Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Dans 68 on June 15, 2010, 10:10:01 AM
Quote from: CB on June 15, 2010, 09:45:44 AM
To top of the cake I heard that the guy from the Dodge dealership, who suppose to drive my car to the inspection, is sick and won't return before the 6th of f#ckin July  :flame:



Sounds like a truly disfunctional system in Belgium, CB.  :icon_smile_dissapprove:   Hang in there.

Dan
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: resq302 on June 15, 2010, 11:12:44 AM
Quote from: CB on June 15, 2010, 09:45:44 AM
To top of the cake I heard that the guy from the Dodge dealership, who suppose to drive my car to the inspection, is sick and won't return before the 6th of f#ckin July  :flame:



Sick, or taking a long holiday vacation?  Oops, wait, the 4th of July is a US holiday.  my bad. :brickwall:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Cooter on June 15, 2010, 11:43:26 AM
I had a charging problem in the 'ol General Lee, but after I got fed up with the stock Chrysler Alt., and installed a GM alt. Problem gone....No regualtors, wiring issues, etc..Just an Alternator..Course, there's that GM thing sitting under your hood and all...
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Back N Black on June 15, 2010, 01:54:43 PM
Quote from: Cooter on June 15, 2010, 11:43:26 AM
I had a charging problem in the 'ol General Lee, but after I got fed up with the stock Chrysler Alt., and installed a GM alt. Problem gone....No regualtors, wiring issues, etc..Jsut an Alternator..Course, there's that GM thing sitting under your hood and all...

I was thinking of going the GM route with the charging system, was it a big job? At least i will not have to carry $500 dollars wort of parts in the trunk, like a spare alternator, voltage regulator,orange box,coil,and ballist resistor. Did i miss anything?
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Khyron on June 15, 2010, 02:09:06 PM
don't even get me started....
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Mike DC on June 15, 2010, 02:10:38 PM
                                   
                             
The auto parts industry has been sending a pretty clear & consistent message.  The GM alternators are functional.  All the rest are strictly for cosmetic purposes.   

 
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: six-tee-nine on June 15, 2010, 02:34:56 PM
Quote from: Dans 68 on June 15, 2010, 10:10:01 AM

Sounds like a truly disfunctional system in Belgium, CB.  :icon_smile_dissapprove:   Hang in there.

Dan

Don't get me started about the Belgian system........I probably die from an heart attack before I get it completely explained, but we all hang in here.

Hey CB, sad to hear you having so much trouble. If you need a hand call me, I manage to know how a multimeter works  (thats pretty much it):D :D
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Cooter on June 16, 2010, 06:52:17 AM
Quote from: Back N Black on June 15, 2010, 01:54:43 PM
Quote from: Cooter on June 15, 2010, 11:43:26 AM
I had a charging problem in the 'ol General Lee, but after I got fed up with the stock Chrysler Alt., and installed a GM alt. Problem gone....No regualtors, wiring issues, etc..Jsut an Alternator..Course, there's that GM thing sitting under your hood and all...

I was thinking of going the GM route with the charging system, was it a big job? At least i will not have to carry $500 dollars wort of parts in the trunk, like a spare alternator, voltage regulator,orange box,coil,and ballist resistor. Did i miss anything?

Actually, the hardest part (And it's not THAT hard) would be fabbin' the mounting bracket out of your old Mopar Bracket....The GM alt. (One wire) is cheap, realiable, easy to get anywhere, and for lack of a better term, WORKS....
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Crockett on June 16, 2010, 01:03:54 PM
ouch ouch ouch .. the Belgian dysfunctional system :-)

Christian, hope you get past the inspection phase soon !

Here's already my Charger giving you a blink of the eye00

David :-)

Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: HeavyFuel on June 17, 2010, 05:01:45 PM


Ah, Christian. My young apprentice. Don't hate, but rather think of Lola as an extremely beautiful, but needy, girlfriend. You will need to buy her baubles to keep her happy, and you will need to preen her all the time to keep her feeling good about herself. But don't forget those glorious minutes (moments?  :rofl:) when she gives you immense satisfaction. And when you are with her on the road all those unfortunate others without such a woman will be envious of your sugar-daddy status with the most beautiful girlfriend in the world.

That is what Charger ownership is all about.  :2thumbs:

Dan
[/quote]

Well crap. 

I'm screwed then, because I have never been any good at keeping needy women happy.  Just check with my wife. 

Who wants a '68 R/t that's just about ready to get sprayed with new paint?  You're just in time to pick out your own color.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on June 18, 2010, 12:49:54 AM
This weekend I'll try to resurrect Lola and make sure she stays alive.
Need new plugs, some contact cleaner and a few terminals.

I'll keep you posted she cooperates or not.
(She better does :RantExplode: )
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: elanmars on June 18, 2010, 01:58:54 AM
Quote from: Hemidog on June 14, 2010, 04:27:22 PM
Hell yes!

Used up all my aggression on removing the windshield moldings to try and seal the windshield up with butyl (AGAIN!). Rain seeps through between the gasket and body.
Did it work?

Hell no!

oh man don't tell me that, that gives me false hope...my car didn't have the caulking or whatever around the top of the windshield, so that sorta remedied the water leaking in...however, the place i took it to didn't do the bottom part and the passenger side is wet, yet again....grrrr....so i'm hoping it's just the bottom part that's where the leak is coming from.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: resq302 on June 18, 2010, 06:32:20 AM
don't feel bad.  I paid to have my windshield replaced (long story) and the guy refused to use the sealer around the gasket.  When I even showed him that it requires it per the factory service manual he still refused and said he would come back if it leaked.  After paying the $210 plus whatever the new gasket was that I purchased prior, it really got to me two hours after the guy left and I pulled the trim and everything off myself and popped the glass back out and ended up reinstalling the windshield and gasket with the required sealer.  I have yet to be out in the rain to test to see if it leaks.  I am keeping my fingers crossed that I did a good job.  Of course with all the crap that I put in there, it should have sealed up no problems.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: 69*F5*SE on June 18, 2010, 07:08:56 AM
My car is far from being road-ready.  I hate that about it.  Other than that   :shruggy:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Cooter on June 18, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
I've learned one thing when dealing with weather and these type cars....



They leaked when new, they leaked while under warranty when new, they leaked while they were parked, and they continue to leak today....The design of these cars glass and rubber seal are Terrible...
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: elanmars on June 18, 2010, 02:02:12 PM
^has there been any way to improve upon that so it doesn't happen? in 40 years someone must have thought of something?
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: resq302 on June 18, 2010, 04:19:25 PM
Well, you could use urethane but then the rubber gasket would be shot also so then if you have to replace your windshield , you need to spend almost another $100 to replace the gasket too.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on June 18, 2010, 04:33:31 PM
So I guess you guys really hate the fact Chargers leak  :icon_smile_blackeye:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: resq302 on June 18, 2010, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: CB on June 18, 2010, 04:33:31 PM
So I guess you guys really hate the fact Chargers leak  :icon_smile_blackeye:

Bite your tongue Christian.  Mine doesn't leak yet.  Nor do I really give it an opportunity to see if it does.   :lol:  Although, if I happen to come upon a shower on the way out to or from Carlisle next month, I wouldn't mind to test it out.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Bob T on June 18, 2010, 09:47:58 PM
Quote from: HeavyFuel on June 17, 2010, 05:01:45 PM


Ah, Christian.

That is what Charger ownership is all about.  :2thumbs:

Dan

:lol: nice one Dan .....just took my neighbour and his daughter and my daughter out for a 40 mile countryside drive and lunch, we take driving our cars pretty much for granted but to others it can really make their whole weekend and its fun to do .

and yeah, fair enough bull, hope your 68 is making progress  :cheers:

so I dont hate it much at all, just annoying little niggles now and then to keep it running and reliable, this week replaced lower ball joint and alignment after total $230.79 - small price to pay for owning, maintaining and driving a classic not lost in a sea of mustangs and camaros
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: chargergirl on June 18, 2010, 10:35:16 PM
I hate being patient about my car while the race car gets finished...I hate that I have to sell a kidney to pay for the paint...well maybe not a kidney.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: elanmars on June 19, 2010, 01:25:34 AM
Quote from: CB on June 18, 2010, 04:33:31 PM
So I guess you guys really hate the fact Chargers leak  :icon_smile_blackeye:

i do now! my '73 and previous '69 didn't have this issue but having a car that leaks in southern US where it can rain a lot and it's my daily driver...not so good. i don't care for wet floors and further rust and i think the leak has started to affect the car's speakers cables too.

i've managed to kind of keep it at bay by putting towels by where the leaks are, so that it doesn't wet the floor or cause too much damage. i also have to see about cleaning up the floor a bit too, as there's minor rust spots. me no like. :(
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: resq302 on June 19, 2010, 06:08:09 AM
Elan,

What I did with mine was I found something called Herculiner that is a brushable / rollable type bedliner that you can put on stuff yourself.  They made it in red so I was able to match the color of my car and now have rust and water proofing on the floor boards of my charger.  When the carpet is installed, you dont see it.  Figured it would offer a little extra bit of protection.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: 69 rt on June 29, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
Christian, hope your now charging and the car is running properly, sure is a nice looking car. Also anyone who has done it, tell me about these GM alternators, they are supposed to work from what I hear. When I am at idle my headlights really go dim, even the radio starts losing power. Any thoughts?

69RT
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Charger´69 on June 30, 2010, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: 69 rt on June 29, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
Christian, hope your now charging and the car is running properly, sure is a nice looking car. Also anyone who has done it, tell me about these GM alternators, they are supposed to work from what I hear. When I am at idle my headlights really go dim, even the radio starts losing power. Any thoughts?

69RT

Do you have '69 original mechanical voltage regulator or '70 and later style electronic voltage regulator?  ::) I think electronic VR works properly and if you want more voltage use electronic VR that charges all the time 13.5 V. This 13.5 V regulator isn´t recommended for street use but I know few people who uses those and don´t have any problems  :shruggy: :2thumbs: Ignition is stronger all the time etc., so it might be good for street use also.

I have now my Charger charging properly with normal '70 and later style electronic voltage regulator, but I´m going to buy that 13.5 V regulator just to test how it works in street car and of course I´ll have to have one working VR on glove compartment so I´ll buy that 13.5 V just in case  :yesnod:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: R6red4spd69RT on June 30, 2010, 12:44:55 PM
Yeah, sometimes it can be really frustrating.

A few months back I was venting with a buddy, we both had a laugh with his remark "you don't own that car, it owns you".
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: b5blue on June 30, 2010, 04:21:18 PM
Get on the leak situation, I put it off for a long time and know I should have been aggressive. I'm in Florida and know the extra humidity from leaks starts working over everything, switches, connections, unpainted areas behind the dash and along the side rear windows inside the quarters. (They never got any paint in there) If it's a windshield leak you can remove the outside trim and add a lot of rubber windshield caulk around the edges and corners, clean it up and reinstall the trim. Lately my beef is not the car but new "bad" parts, I have had to re-reinstall stuff like ignition switches and aftermarket ECU's, master cylinders, 2 bad A1 Cordone re-manufactured dist. (I ended up getting a new Mopar Dist. and am still out 75.00 and stuck with a crap dist.) along with getting the wrong parts shipped to me. Dealing with Summit, Rockauto and such not knowing anything about products they sell for Mopars...you had better know what you need as they are no help.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on June 30, 2010, 04:44:03 PM
Quote from: 69 rt on June 29, 2010, 11:49:27 AM
Christian, hope your now charging and the car is running properly, sure is a nice looking car.
69RT
not yet  :icon_smile_blackeye:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: six-pack speedshop on July 02, 2010, 02:00:26 AM
Oh yeah, live can be easy in Belgium.  :brickwall:

WWW.SIX-PACKSPEEDSHOP.BE
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: b5blue on July 02, 2010, 06:22:49 AM
Christan look into the Denso alt swap....mine is working fine (Mancini 120 amp Denso)  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: 70charginglizard on July 04, 2010, 10:30:28 AM
I hear ya...
After spending thousands last winter on my 440 six pack upgrade, front suspension rebuild. Front disk brake conversion, repainting the engine bay and engine and upgrading to date coded wiring and hoses mine decides to take a dump from inside (either cam lobe or valve decided to crap out on me)  :brickwall:
Now I'm out of money and dont have enough to dig into it to see whats wrong :rotz:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: 68 CHARGER R/T on July 04, 2010, 11:07:49 AM
Quote from: Cooter on June 18, 2010, 11:54:15 AM
I've learned one thing when dealing with weather and these type cars....



They leaked when new, they leaked while under warranty when new, they leaked while they were parked, and they continue to leak today....The design of these cars glass and rubber seal are Terrible...

specificaly those dam rear main seals   :RantExplode:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Bob T on July 08, 2010, 01:03:55 AM
Quote from: 70charginglizard on July 04, 2010, 10:30:28 AM
I hear ya...
After spending thousands last winter on my 440 six pack upgrade, front suspension rebuild. Front disk brake conversion, repainting the engine bay and engine and upgrading to date coded wiring and hoses mine decides to take a dump from inside (either cam lobe or valve decided to crap out on me)  :brickwall:
Now I'm out of money and dont have enough to dig into it to see whats wrong :rotz:

jeez, sorry to hear that 70charginglizard, a friend of mine is in a similar situation with his Valiant Charger 4 weeks after his 6pk went on, had bearing metal in the filter as well . some consolation I suppose is that the front end and harness is done and dusted  :cheers:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: mauve66 on July 10, 2010, 10:04:44 AM
everyday i drive the ranger to work
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on July 10, 2010, 11:04:11 AM
Changed the ALT, new BAT, new regulator, new resistor, new sparks and new coil.
Still dead.
Only possible faillure: the MSD unit.

:icon_smile_dissapprove:
CB
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: b5blue on July 10, 2010, 11:07:28 AM
No spark off the coil when it's cranked?  :scratchchin:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on July 10, 2010, 11:34:36 AM
No spark at all.
I tested the MSD unit like they discribed on their site, still no spark.

I think I fried the unit :icon_smile_angry:

Per is doing all he can to get my car on the road, also Koen came bye to test all the wires.
 :shruggy:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: b5blue on July 10, 2010, 12:43:09 PM
CRAP! I'm no help on MSD systems, factory type had me climbing the walls for a while.  :eek2:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: six-tee-nine on July 10, 2010, 12:53:04 PM
I did some thinking on the subject C.

I really am affraid that you killed the 6AL unit in you testing manouvers to try and find out if your alt was charging the battery. By disconecting the batt with a running engine you probably also disconnected the pwer supply to the 6AL box.
That might have killed it somewhat.

You might try and pull it out of the car and see if you can open it up to see if there is a fuse inside the box or something that looks kinda black so you atleast have a clue what crapped out.
Maybe there are some guys here that have expierience in repairing these thing that can get us going again.....

Koen
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: b5blue on July 10, 2010, 01:15:47 PM
Agreed on that!  :2thumbs:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on July 16, 2010, 09:24:55 AM
 :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn: :popcrn:

With another wire harness and ecu, I am hoping to get her back.
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: b5blue on July 16, 2010, 02:22:22 PM
I went from ignition switch to harness to ECU to new FBO- ECU, coil, and ballast, now on to FBO dizzy!  :scratchchin:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on July 16, 2010, 05:05:14 PM
Quote from: b5blue on July 16, 2010, 02:22:22 PM
I went from ignition switch to harness to ECU to new FBO- ECU, coil, and ballast, now on to FBO dizzy!  :scratchchin:

Having fun llready?  :eek2: :cheers:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: b5blue on July 16, 2010, 07:32:10 PM
Dizzy will be here next week so I'm waiting! I WAS going to recurve my MP one but since I had an extra "core" bought newly rebuilt with way to much side play in the rotor shaft and God only knows what for phasing and curve/advance........thanks for nothing A-1 Cardone! Anyway after talking to Don at FBO I get 35.00 out of it on one they build just for my set-up. So turn bad to good and have a MP one as backup to play with. (I figured by the time I re spring, reduce amount of advance, and adjust vacuum advance, run test, re-adjust, repeated times and add in I may break something...well you get it.) The Mopar Performance unit is nice but for a daily driver with a mild MP "resto" cam it's springs are too light and it has way to much advance "out of the box" add the settings for vacuum advance on top of that and you end up leaving the vacuum advance not used and keeping your foot out of the throttle to avoid detonation. The FBO A688 kit got the car running so well I instantly found the "now it starts but runs like crap" problem that had me stumped, some how my initial timing settings were off. I adjusted that then after reading Don's book on tuning and talking to him just decided to let him build a dizzy set up for my engines profile. (It's only more money I don't have) I'll let you know how it works out.  :2thumbs: Here is a link if you are interested   www.4secondsflat.com
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: rattlehead_74 on July 17, 2010, 10:05:58 AM
Quote from: CB on July 10, 2010, 11:34:36 AM
No spark at all.
I tested the MSD unit like they discribed on their site, still no spark.

I think I fried the unit :icon_smile_angry:

Per is doing all he can to get my car on the road, also Koen came bye to test all the wires.
  :shruggy:




Hey ,hate to say this but you probably did toast the box ,,i have the 6al on my car ,,one day i went to move the charger out of the garage and had my buddy unhook the battery cables and toss them on the engine  (while running)no front clip on the car ,,,,(STUPID LOL) but as soon as the positive touched   ZAPP! fried the ignition,,,But there is something good to come out of this ,,I sent it to MSD and they had it fixed and returned to me in 2 weeks time ,,and it only cost me 75 bucks ,,i think there was 3 resistors they had to replace,,,but from illinois to texas and back 2 week wait and 75 bucks was way better than buying a new one! hope this helps
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Nacho-RT74 on July 17, 2010, 10:43:58 AM
I'm amazed all the problems we have tried to deal through messenger and still haven't catch where exactly si the problem on Christian's Charger.

what I usually do, is get a week rest ( or more ) and then check everything from the begining
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: DENNYSCARS on July 17, 2010, 03:28:13 PM
Understand about hating  :flame: your car.  Finally got mine ready (3yr resto) for its first highway run to a show at Dupont Registry in Clearwater, FL and everything was going great,  :coolgleamA: running strong, A/C working, cruise working, stereo working then as I was heading UP the bridge on the Howard "Frankenstien" Bridge (I-275S) the engine started losing power. :eek2:  Coasted down the other side and guess I popped a head gasket.  Water vapor coming out the breather hose at the air cleaner and blew water out of the overflow............didnt see any "additional" oil on the dipstick but did loose some water.  First time I have ever used a tow service.  Hope its the last.  Did have a large audience on the bridge though!  I have about had it with this rebuilt engine I bought on Ebay.  Should have fixed my block and rebuilt it myself.  The guy has been helpful and all but between the rear main seal leaking (got real quick at replacing the seals, 6 times and still a small drip. Now the head gasket(?). I guess I will yank it out and redo everything myself.  Everyone still likes her,cause she's is a looker!
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Grim Jhaixus on July 18, 2010, 11:50:34 PM
Hate my car? Oh yeah. I yell, cuss, throw things, threaten to leave it, point and shout, you name it.

And then I see a shopping cart sized plastic jellybean like everyone else has got and I love it again. I crank it up, listen to it idle a bit, and all the tension melts away.

Most satisfying relationship I ever had.

CB, I solved my non-charging problem through a combination of Nacho's parallels and upgrading from a stock 60 amp alt (Autozone) to an updated 78 amp alt (O'Reilly's).
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Nacho-RT74 on July 19, 2010, 12:17:19 AM
Quote from: Grim Jhaixus on July 18, 2010, 11:50:34 PM

CB, I solved my non-charging problem through a combination of Nacho's parallels and upgrading from a stock 60 amp alt (Autozone) to an updated 78 amp alt (O'Reilly's).

we are working on that, but... 1- he can't go to O'Reilly's, or autozone or anywhere LOL... 2-something on the check is failing and we can't find it ( we are talking thorugh messenger ;D )
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on July 19, 2010, 10:40:49 AM
Nacho, I just talked to you briefly this morning.

Those wires that run to the coil and resistor got me confused.
Hit me up when you see me online  :2thumbs:

Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: six-tee-nine on July 19, 2010, 12:26:32 PM
Nacho,

I checked CB's system completely. The 6AL unit is "fubar". So his options are : getting a new one or get the 6AL unit fixed......

Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Nacho-RT74 on July 19, 2010, 12:34:36 PM
he is installing now the MP ECU kit I think, installing a new engine harness too, so MSD will be a later fix or upgrade.

I'm still worried about the charging system what is how everything began. Maybe it was engine harness related? :shruggy:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Belgium R/T -68 on July 19, 2010, 02:18:17 PM
What about the diagram in the manual CB?

Per
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: WHITE AND RED 69 on July 19, 2010, 04:05:18 PM
I hate it right now cause I pulled my gauges out for what I thought would be a couple days and maybe 100 bucks to fix the speedometer, and now it has turned into almost a month and more like $700. I want to drive it!!!!
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on July 19, 2010, 04:35:32 PM
The MSD unit is removed and new harness with orange ECU will be used.

Per, I looked at the diagram but wanted to make sure I don't mess up :icon_smile_blackeye:

It's now a matter of installing the ECU, route and tape the wires and she should be back..., right?

Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Dans 68 on July 19, 2010, 04:45:44 PM
CB, you'll get it going pretty quick now with all the help you're getting.  :2thumbs:

I was thinking of you when I fired up my '68 in the driveway this last weekend;  a wry smile came over me, as I gazed upon it's beauty while listening to it's growling, as I reflected upon your problem. It is all worth it in the end.  :angel:

Dan
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on July 20, 2010, 01:12:51 AM
this ain't giving TLC anymore...

I filed for divorce for less in the past ::)
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Belgium R/T -68 on July 20, 2010, 11:10:58 AM
Quote from: CB on July 19, 2010, 04:35:32 PM
The MSD unit is removed and new harness with orange ECU will be used.

Per, I looked at the diagram but wanted to make sure I don't mess up :icon_smile_blackeye:

It's now a matter of installing the ECU, route and tape the wires and she should be back..., right?



Correct, tomorrow you will be burning rubber. :2thumbs:

Per
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: CB on July 23, 2010, 10:21:46 AM
Burning rubber is something we should do when I got my plates :)
She now starts with one key turn, idles nice and... yes the battery is charging!!! :woohoo:


This means that I can go for re-inspection very soon!

Per and Koen, soon we'll have to test my car, you guys wanna take her for a spin?
(Nacho, too bad you can't fly over  :icon_smile_blackeye: :angel: )
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: bakerhillpins on July 23, 2010, 11:09:20 AM
Quote from: CB on July 23, 2010, 10:21:46 AM
Burning rubber is something we should do when I got my plates :)
She now starts with one key turn, idles nice and... yes the battery is charging!!! :woohoo:


This means that I can go for re-inspection very soon!


Excellent news!! Glad that she is up and running again.  :2thumbs: Lots of frustration but I bet that listening to her purr makes it all fade away.

:drive:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (7/23: she's back!)
Post by: six-tee-nine on July 24, 2010, 02:15:24 AM
I'm pretty sure shel'' pass inspection with ease now.....

Then it's just a matter of aligning the rebuilt front end and you're good to go for the rest of the season.

Problem is : they have been so generous with good weather the last month that we're gonna need to strart praying it aint over one of the days....
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (7/23: she's back!)
Post by: CB on July 24, 2010, 02:44:14 AM
Quote from: six-tee-nine on July 24, 2010, 02:15:24 AM
I'm pretty sure shel'' pass inspection with ease now.....

Then it's just a matter of aligning the rebuilt front end and you're good to go for the rest of the season.

Problem is : they have been so generous with good weather the last month that we're gonna need to strart praying it aint over one of the days....

:cheers: :cheers:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (7/23: she's back!)
Post by: b5blue on July 24, 2010, 11:01:17 AM
FINALLY! Glad you're "Back in the saddle"!   :yesnod:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (7/23: she's back!)
Post by: AKcharger on July 25, 2010, 01:49:06 PM
No, only Chevy people hate their cars
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (7/23: she's back!)
Post by: 69 rt on July 27, 2010, 07:19:50 AM
Happy for you CB, now get out there burn some rubber and send some pictures :cheers:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car?
Post by: Charger´69 on July 28, 2010, 12:40:12 PM
Quote from: CB on July 23, 2010, 10:21:46 AM
Burning rubber is something we should do when I got my plates :)
She now starts with one key turn, idles nice and... yes the battery is charging!!! :woohoo:


Yes, great to hear!!  :2thumbs: :cheers: Now pedal to the metal....  :yesnod:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (11/8 inspection day)
Post by: CB on August 10, 2010, 05:21:10 PM
little update

I got the car back up and running (and charging!) and made an appointment for tomorrow to get 'er inspected.
If all goes well I can pick up my plates Friday... keep your fingers crossed!

Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (11/8 inspection day)
Post by: CB on August 11, 2010, 01:40:00 PM
She passed the inspection!!!  :boogie:
Now only getting my plates and then I can start to show off cruise around town  ;D
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (got thru inspection)
Post by: Belgium R/T -68 on August 11, 2010, 02:24:35 PM
I'm happy for you friend. :cheers: Soon we can take that cruise together. :2thumbs:

Per
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (got thru inspection)
Post by: b5blue on August 11, 2010, 03:56:16 PM
Great news CB!  :cheers:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (got thru inspection)
Post by: 69 rt on August 11, 2010, 04:35:31 PM
Excellent: my friend, hope this one is a happy ride
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (got thru inspection)
Post by: nvrbdn on August 11, 2010, 10:02:51 PM
fun to follow thestory, and the love affair will continue. congrats
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (got thru inspection)
Post by: resq302 on August 13, 2010, 06:38:54 AM
Alright Christian!  Well deserved!  Now go pound some pavement and light em up.  No wait, might want to take it easy at first so you dont break something else.  lol
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (got thru inspection)
Post by: CB on August 14, 2010, 01:34:29 AM
Friday the 13th was a good day!
In the morning I went to our local registration office and without any problems they handed over my fresh new plates.  :cheers:
So later that day I took her out for the first test runs.

There are some things left to do like the alignment and rebuild the shifter but she drives like expected.
Finally Lola is back on the road, licenced, insured and ready to rock :2thumbs: :coolgleamA:

Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (8/13:inspected, licenced and ready to roll)
Post by: Dans 68 on August 14, 2010, 01:37:53 AM
Fantastic, Christian! Glad to have ya back!  :2thumbs:

Dan
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (8/13:inspected, licenced and ready to roll)
Post by: tan top on August 14, 2010, 02:57:50 AM
good stuff CB  :yesnod:   :2thumbs:   :drive:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (8/13:inspected, licenced and ready to roll)
Post by: resq302 on August 14, 2010, 09:01:16 AM
woo hooo :2thumbs:
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (8/13:inspected, licenced and ready to roll)
Post by: six-tee-nine on August 16, 2010, 01:44:16 PM
Cool to hear that CB    It's been so long since heard from you i almost thought you died......


How is the ride with the front end rebuilt? More firm i guess..... Got any pulling issues in the steering or did we do a good basic alignment job?
Title: Re: don't you sometimes hate your car? (8/13:inspected, licenced and ready to roll)
Post by: CB on August 16, 2010, 04:31:20 PM
Quote from: six-tee-nine on August 16, 2010, 01:44:16 PM
How is the ride with the front end rebuilt? More firm i guess..... Got any pulling issues in the steering or did we do a good basic alignment job?



Actually the car is steering straight, no pulling what so ever!  :2thumbs:
Still need to go to the aglinement dude on a saturday morning.
The shifter is crap. That piece is really in need of some attention...