ECS REPRODUCTION BUILD SHEET LIST

[AKcharger]

Hmmm,  21 days of James Bond on G4 or this thread...I think this one's more interesting

[A383Wing]

I have been watching Bond....at least they are showing them in order

Bryan

[JB400]

Hmmm,  21 days of James Bond on G4 or this thread...I think this one's more interesting

I'd watch Bond, but my new cable company thought that it wasn't worth having.

[TUFCAT]

What I can't figure out is what makes Mike think that anyone other than he and Tony have received these sheets!?! Maybe he should start a list of recipients that he "feels" might have received one. Coming from a restoration guy who won't show a single "Before" picture to substantiate his OE work, I find HIS request comical at best!  

Mike is asking the wrong question in this poll. What he should be asking everyone is:

Does ECS give a rats ripple what Mike Mancini thinks they should or shouldn't do?  

Let's just drink Dave Walden's Kool-Aid and accept the fact that he's never wrong.  Better yet, drop down on one knee and praise Dave's moral fiber and wisdom for introducing exact replica broadcast sheets into our hobby.  If you believe in the power of Dave Walden, then accept that people [allegedly] spent thousands of dollars for these broadcasts sheets. They were never offered to the general public. Ultimately if you were an inner circle friend with good connections [allegedly], with unlimited resources [allegedly], you could buy otherwise unobtainium paperwork [allegedly].  

Dave said [in so many words] that he's not responsible for creating or selling broadcast sheets to anyone with the intent to defraud. I don't believe it.

I think he knew exactly what he was doing when "fake" broadcast sheets were made from missing original data such as Tony's.

He said Tony's car has a fake broadcast sheet that he created. How stupid is that?  Then he admitted Tony's [fake] broadcast sheet was used to falsify an original document.  This douche basically talks out of both sides of his mouth.  



Please don't accept this internet thread as truth. Its based here-say and not proven. We must accept that this story is alledged and not proven. Reproducing a buildsheet is not illegal. Charge for services has not been proven.  Service was rendered and customers are happy. I never accused Dave of doing anything illegal.

[A383Wing]

[ECS]

Who feels ECS owes it to the hobbyists to divulge the reproduction buildsheets he had made over the past few years to the public? The reproduction buildsheets are a black eye on the hobby and ECS should aid in preventing future fraud by divulging his list.

Mike, I am actually pleased to see that you have started to concern yourself with "fraud" and "black eye" scenarios concerning to the Hobby.  Now that you have come to this realization, why don't you follow your own lead and tell everyone here who told the magazines that rust was virtually non-existent!?  Regarding "fraud", we all know that the Broadcast sheet for the same car was presented as being original by you and Tony.  Continuing that train of thought, could you please "divulge" how you repaired the Fender Tag also shown below?  All of the articles claimed the vehicle had more "original parts" than any other Daytona on the planet!  Is the Fender Tag shown in the magazine pictures the original one that you miraculously repaired or a "fake" reproduction?

[AKcharger]

This easily beats out Octopussy, now if it were Thunderball or one of the new ones I might tune out...but only for a moment  

OK guys back to it

[ECS]

Dave said [in so many words] that he's not responsible for creating or selling broadcast sheets to anyone with the intent to defraud. However he already admitted that Tony's broadcast sheet has been used to falsify an original document.  

The sporting Good Store [said in so many words] that they were not responsible for selling Baseball Bats to anyone with the intention of people being beaten with them.  However they admitted to finding out that a crook used one of their bats as a weapon of choice to clobber someone.  That Sporting goods Shop is obviously talking out of both sides of their mouth!


If anything is obvious pussycat, you are an [alleged] genius with your deductive reasoning!  

[TUFCAT]

If anything is obvious pussycat, you are an [alleged] genius with your deductive reasoning!  

Hmm I wonder....  Will ECS provide their customers "original documentation" by restamping engine blocks?

Come on ECS its just like a broadcast sheet. You claim its no different than making a new door vin decal. No harm done. So whatta ya say?  Its a freebie. I won't even charge you for my idea.

[AKcharger]

Yeah, it's a boring night for me, and I found a source for smilys  

[ECS]

So how about it Mike?!  Lets hear the real facts about that Rust & Fender Tag.

[JB400]

This poll isn't about fights. If you took the time to read ECS's posts over the past 2 years on multiple mopar forums, you would realize I am the one who has beared the brunt of his misinformation and strategic spins.

This to me, explains it all.  It tells me both of you have nothing better to do but to chase each other from one site to the next like a cat and a mouse, bashing each other and trying to protect your image.  Do you both have a personal vendetta against each other, or just lazy a$$es with nothing better to do but to bring unwanted drama to every mopar forum on the web?  If I understand correctly, these broadcast sheets aren't even available anymore and haven't been for quite some time.  It tells me the publisher of the reproduction broadcast sheets noticed there was a problem, and done something about it.  Game over, what's the fuss?

As far as not being able to identify a reproduction bs, how stupid could you actually be?  A blind person can literally tell the difference.  It's not that hard.  Paper changes after 40+ years under a seat or out in the open.  If you can't tell the difference, take your beer goggles off.

My overall opinion of the matter,  it's time 2 people put their behinds in the past, or something like that.

[AKcharger]

Stroker quiet...they might listen to you and go away! I'm having an ever so good time with my smilys

Guys, please continue...

[TUFCAT]

This poll isn't about fights. If you took the time to read ECS's posts over the past 2 years on multiple mopar forums, you would realize I am the one who has beared the brunt of his misinformation and strategic spins.

This to me, explains it all.  It tells me both of you have nothing better to do but to chase each other from one site to the next like a cat and a mouse, bashing each other and trying to protect your image.  Do you both have a personal vendetta against each other, or just lazy a$$es with nothing better to do but to bring unwanted drama to every mopar forum on the web?  If I understand correctly, these broadcast sheets aren't even available anymore and haven't been for quite some time.  It tells me the publisher of the reproduction broadcast sheets noticed there was a problem, and done something about it.  Game over, what's the fuss?

As far as not being able to identify a reproduction bs, how stupid could you actually be?  A blind person can literally tell the difference.  It's not that hard.  Paper changes after 40+ years under a seat or out in the open.  If you can't tell the difference, take your beer goggles off.

My overall opinion of the matter,  it's time 2 people put their behinds in the past, or something like that.

Take the high road. Its the principal he's trying to fight. I personally have a problem with someone producing "fake" broadcast sheets that are indistinguishable from originals

[ECS]

This poll isn't about fights. If you took the time to read ECS's posts over the past 2 years on multiple mopar forums, you would realize I am the one who has beared the brunt of his misinformation and strategic spins.

This to me, explains it all.  It tells me both of you have nothing better to do but to chase each other from one site to the next like a cat and a mouse, bashing each other and trying to protect your image.  Do you both have a personal vendetta against each other, or just lazy a$$es with nothing better to do but to bring unwanted drama to every mopar forum on the web?  If I understand correctly, these broadcast sheets aren't even available anymore and haven't been for quite some time.  It tells me the publisher of the reproduction broadcast sheets noticed there was a problem, and done something about it.  Game over, what's the fuss?

As far as not being able to identify a reproduction bs, how stupid could you actually be?  A blind person can literally tell the difference.  It's not that hard.  Paper changes after 40+ years under a seat or out in the open.  If you can't tell the difference, take your beer goggles off.

My overall opinion of the matter,  it's time 2 people put their behinds in the past, or something like that.

I literally had tears in my eyes from laughing so hard after reading your post.  Thank you!  I needed that.  (And yes I'm serious)  I am just having fun guys.  It is a riot to see everyone get so keyed up over the most ridiculous junk.  What I am really interested in knowing, is who won the GSP - Diaz fight?    

[JB400]

This poll isn't about fights. If you took the time to read ECS's posts over the past 2 years on multiple mopar forums, you would realize I am the one who has beared the brunt of his misinformation and strategic spins.

This to me, explains it all.  It tells me both of you have nothing better to do but to chase each other from one site to the next like a cat and a mouse, bashing each other and trying to protect your image.  Do you both have a personal vendetta against each other, or just lazy a$$es with nothing better to do but to bring unwanted drama to every mopar forum on the web?  If I understand correctly, these broadcast sheets aren't even available anymore and haven't been for quite some time.  It tells me the publisher of the reproduction broadcast sheets noticed there was a problem, and done something about it.  Game over, what's the fuss?

As far as not being able to identify a reproduction bs, how stupid could you actually be?  A blind person can literally tell the difference.  It's not that hard.  Paper changes after 40+ years under a seat or out in the open.  If you can't tell the difference, take your beer goggles off.

My overall opinion of the matter,  it's time 2 people put their behinds in the past, or something like that.

Take the high road. Its the principal he's trying to fight. I personally have a problem with someone producing "fake" broadcast sheets that are indistinguishable from originals

Isn't this like going to a cagefight today that happened 2 years ago?

[hemi68charger]

In this hobby, when all else fails, people look for a solid paper trail. Its all about having a rock solid paper trail and documentation to have a valuable collector's item.

There, I said it again... PAPER!! PAPER!! PAPER!!

Troy, you of all people should realize how much money is needed to have rock solid paperwork on an aero car.  If it doesn't matter, you'll pay less for your investment.

Generally speaking people who don't care about original paperwork, are the same people who don't have it.  

Nope...If a car doesn't have its original paperword, it doesn't have it, no money's going to bring that back (ethically that is). Now, if there's a crusty BS, then a reproduction would be worthy. A broadcast sheet to me is "icing" on the cake. If I have a bonefide fender tag and I see the body stampings are legit ( for me ), I'm perfectly happy. There's no way in God's creation I would have "not" traded my 2 former cars for the Daytona if it didn't have the broadcast sheet. Maybe I'm from a generation that didn't even know about these things and would have probably just thrown it away in my younger years..... Really, I'm serious. I like having the original documentation, but I don't need it. All I need is what is on the fender tag ( color, interior, drivetrain, etc ). I don't need a broadcast sheet to tell me what part number front shock absorber my car came with.

If a car doesn't have it, it doesn't have it......

[TUFCAT]

Nope...If a car doesn't have its original paperword, it doesn't have it, no money's going to bring that back (ethically that is). Now, if there's a crusty BS, then a reproduction would be worthy. A broadcast sheet to me is "icing" on the cake. If I have a bonefide fender tag and I see the body stampings are legit ( for me ), I'm perfectly happy. There's no way in God's creation I would have "not" traded my 2 former cars for the Daytona if it didn't have the broadcast sheet. Maybe I'm from a generation that didn't even know about these things and would have probably just thrown it away in my younger years..... Really, I'm serious. I like having the original documentation, but I don't need it. All I need is what is on the fender tag ( color, interior, drivetrain, etc ). I don't need a broadcast sheet to tell me what part number front shock absorber my car came with.

If a car doesn't have it, it doesn't have it......

  "If a car doesn't have it, it doesn't have it...."

[AKcharger]

Darn...I'm I detecting a measure of Civility being introducted here 

[472 R/T SE]

Yeah, I know.  If you don't like the thread, don't click on it.

But seriously, this has deteriorated to high school kids' bickering



I almost bought the PPV Diaz/GSP fight.  One more undercard better & I would have.
I used to really dislike the Diaz boys' until I started listening to Nick in his interviews this week.  His post fight interview has me going back now though.  You got your ass kicked Nick, admit it & move on.  He's not internally wired that way though.
I'd like to see the next challenger come through for GSP, Johnny Hendricks.  That welterweight class is stacked right now.

Rick Story's camp is here local.  I want to go watch them train sometime.

A fight I'd love to see that will never happen due to size/class is GSP & "Bones" Jones.

[bakerhillpins]

The concept was flawed from the beginning.  I can't find any upside to manufacturing or possesing a "perfect broadcast sheet" indistinguishable from an original.  The only benefit to anyone now or in the future is to mislead...

ECS should have used a watermark, trademark, company logo or something to distinguish their reproduction from the original. MY two cents. 

I gotta say I am with TUFCAT on this one.  This is the same debate as getting a repro fender tag.

[AKcharger]

[ECS]

A fight I'd love to see that will never happen due to size/class is GSP & "Bones" Jones.

George dominated the fight.  My favorite is Chael.  He is one of the best greco-wrestling athletes I have seen.  Probably the most intelligent of all the UFC athletes even though most don't understand that his smack talk is just a front to marketing his image.  I like the past guys who have already retired. (Shamrock, Coleman, Frye, Liddell, Couture)  When Sonnen is gone, I don't think I'll be so interested in the competition unless another "flamboyant" quality athlete takes center stage.  

[AKcharger]

Oh, we'll, it was fun while it lasted...plus Gold finger is on 

[706pkvert]

A list of fake broadcast sheets would prevent fraud from happening in the future. If you're not on board with that, maybe it's because you don't want to "out" the others you made the sheets for? If this isn't the case then why hide the info?

No one cares about federal mandates and your definition of "legal documentation"

Buildsheets add value to a Mopar, everyone knows it.

Stay focused Dave...This poll is about your reproduction buildsheets and the fraud they are possible of breeding.