Jack-booted thugs on the move in Oregon

[bull]

Right. Back then it had noting at all to do with hunting. In the 1700s, if you didn't hunt (in most cases) your family didn't eat.

[chargerboy69]

Indiana will not pass anything like that.  The Governor, Mike Pence, is a Republican and the State House is a Republican super majority. 

Now next door in Illinois. . . 

[RallyeMike]

A lot of honest law-abiding citizens are destined to become outlaws if this keeps up. And then "they" will declare us safer, but the reality will be that nothing has changed.

 

...and if yer thinking of moving to Texas to be safer, the chances are better that you'll have to use your legal assault rifle there. Crime stats are in the top 1/3 of all the states.

[John_Kunkel]

Yep....the really sad part is that more and more Americans don't realize that the founders wanted us to have a fighting chance against our own corrupt, out of control intrusive government.

That's the part that the anti-gunners don't get, they read the 2A literally without also reading the writings of the framers...the 2A is about rebellion, not about hunting/self defense.

[charge69]

I fully agree with John!!  Find the word "hunting" in the Constitution, much less, the 2nd Ammendment. It just is not about hunting. It is about "liberty"!

[bull]

A lot of honest law-abiding citizens are destined to become outlaws if this keeps up. And then "they" will declare us safer, but the reality will be that nothing has changed.

 

...and if yer thinking of moving to Texas to be safer, the chances are better that you'll have to use your legal assault rifle there. Crime stats are in the top 1/3 of all the states.

True, but I bet 95% of that 1/3 takes place in Houston and/or Dallas/Ft. Worth. Houston is a mammoth city and I would never want to live there. Dallas either.

BTW, I do not own an assault rifle (no AR-15s, no Ak-47s, I don't have 2,000+ rounds of ammunition, etc.), I have 2 shotguns, a few hunting rifles and a pair of handguns. The reason I post this kind of stuff is because I'm very concerned with the recent efforts on the part of the state and federal governments to screw with the US Constitution. They've gotten very brazen lately and I don't know if the recent election has emboldened them to push this nonsense to the extreme they're pushing it but just the fact that they're pushing it this far should tell you a lot about the direction they want to go. Gun owner or not, this has gotten to the point where everyone who values the importance of the Bill of Rights should be more than a little concerned.

Also, FYI, they've finally had to officially admit that there was no AR-15 used on the kids in Newtown: http://www.today.com/video/today/50208495#50208495

[RallyeMike]

..... The reason I post this kind of stuff is because I'm very concerned with the recent efforts on the part of the state and federal governments to screw with the US Constitution. They've gotten very brazen lately and I don't know if the recent election has emboldened them to push this nonsense to the extreme they're pushing it but just the fact that they're pushing it this far should tell you a lot about the direction they want to go. Gun owner or not, this has gotten to the point where everyone who values the importance of the Bill of Rights should be more than a little concerned.

Also, FYI, they've finally had to officially admit that there was no AR-15 used on the kids in Newtown: http://www.today.com/video/today/50208495#50208495

That news isn't exactly breaking !  


I share your worry about the state of nonsense, extremism, and lack of logical thought but it's not limited to this just this election or today's politicians.

We all woke up 2003 in an alternate universe where it no longer means anything to not be truthful. The American machine laid waste to an entire country, and when the truth came out that the primary reason for it was untrue, only a handful of people cared. That approach and attitude carries on today, currently focused on an irrational gun control push that is based on faulty facts and logic.

At the rate we are going my guess is that the Salem Witch Trials will soon see a re-emergence.

[Fred]

Southern Utah is beautiful.  Mr Angry Mike can vouch for that.  

I was there in August 2011. Loved it.

Been there, done that. Just gorgeous.   

[bull]

..... The reason I post this kind of stuff is because I'm very concerned with the recent efforts on the part of the state and federal governments to screw with the US Constitution. They've gotten very brazen lately and I don't know if the recent election has emboldened them to push this nonsense to the extreme they're pushing it but just the fact that they're pushing it this far should tell you a lot about the direction they want to go. Gun owner or not, this has gotten to the point where everyone who values the importance of the Bill of Rights should be more than a little concerned.

Also, FYI, they've finally had to officially admit that there was no AR-15 used on the kids in Newtown: http://www.today.com/video/today/50208495#50208495

That news isn't exactly breaking !  

It isn't breaking news, I agree, but at the same time so many people just go about their business with their heads in the clouds in apathy. I start feeling like a nutjob shouting from a mountain top while a bunch of robots shuffle by below just staring at the ground. When is Roddy Piper going to find that box of secret sunglasses?

[sunfire69]

Bull, you can warn all you want...most people believe everything they hear on T.V. and read on the internet..and they say everything is ok...don't worry....but until people get smacked right between the eyes they won't listen...it will take some time...but people will eventually see what is going on....the best thing we can do is to plan for the future...make sure that those that follow behond have something to fight for their rights with...

[daveco]

Control freaks can never ever have enough control to satisfy them. This issue will become a permanent battle.
Anti gun ownership arguments are almost based on the false premise that the world can be made safe.

Gun owners better not give an inch, we have reasonable restrictions as it stands.  

[RallyeMike]

When is Roddy Piper going to find that box of secret sunglasses?

Exactly! 

[sunfire69]

But notice....gun control in the cities doesn't work....not because of the mentality...or the gangs...or drugs...the reason it doesn't work is because the people in the out lying country have guns...and they find their way into the city....so we tell the people in the major cities "the only way you can be safe is if we take the guns from the people in the country" and they say ok...fine take em...we don't care what you have to do just save us from ourselves...now you have one population group against another....kind of like blaming rich people because your poor ( and no I'm neither I'm like most of us stuck in the middle where money gets tight)...there is a pattern forming...look at the patterns....look at the demographics...I have never in my life been a conspiracy theorist  but way ..way to many things over the last couple of years just don't add up...and the apparent dividing of the population makes me real uneasy...rich against poor..inner city against suburbs...and so on....

[daveco]

Anthropomorphization of the tool is a major (if not the primary) contributing factor.
It's politically incorrect to declare the aberrant behavior as the problem. Because then the person would be bad, and that sort of observation is not allowed.
The gun is evil. Just disregard the underlying moral decay.

[mauve66]

gun control laws only work for those that can't think for themselves, that's why they don't stop criminals from getting guns

you can buy any gun you want from a neighbor/family member or off craigslist.com or backpage.com any time you want, no 3 day waiting period, no background check, nothing UNLESS the seller wants to go through the trouble of making you go to the local LEO

[Tilar]

Also, FYI, they've finally had to officially admit that there was no AR-15 used on the kids in Newtown: http://www.today.com/video/today/50208495#50208495

Everyone knew that the day it happened. They had video of the police finding it in the trunk of the car.  There were also reports of a second person that the police chased down and the news originally reported on, but then he mysteriously disappeared... after being spotted in the front seat of a police cruiser. There may be more to this than meets the eye.

[bull]

Before all this I never cared about the AR-15, but now that the government is telling me I can't have one it makes me want to get one.

[CaptMarvel]

Gun owners better not give an inch, we have reasonable restrictions as it stands.  

Absolutely right! It's high time to actually draw this line in the sand and not flinch for a change...and whatever outcome that brings with it! When any govt. official usurps power not granted to them and shreds the constitution, and American patriots finally stand up for the law and say no, then who is the real criminal? I know a group of very intelligent folks 200+ years ago who were gutsy beyond measure that realized who the criminals were!

[polywideblock]

anybody hear of UN directive or agenda 21  scary stuff    http://www.blacklistednews.com/?news_id=14321

[Budnicks]

Does Australia have anything that could equate to our 2nd Amendment? Because that's going to be a real game-changer here. It's interesting to me that the very thing our Founders created to prevent tyranny is the thing most likely to provoke it.

Yep....the really sad part is that more and more Americans don't realize that the founders wanted us to have a fighting chance against our own corrupt, out of control intrusive government. It wasn't nearly as much about national defense or hunting turkeys with muskets. We can thank a certain side of the political aisle and their media puppets for this great lie..

Thank you,  very well said, finally someone who understands what the 2nd Amendment is really truly & factually all about...

[bull]

"Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable ... the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that's good." - George Washington

[twodko]

Sandy Hook et al were horrific events to be sure. They are beyond rational but people have a need to rationalize things to try and comprehend the uncomprehendable. He masses need to blame something ......blame someone to villify and then be able to live with the horror.