68 440 auto with a/c radiator tank #

[hemi68charger]

Hey gang..
Just want to confirm here, but I believe the 048 tank in '68 is for the 426 and 383 with either tranny while the 047 is for the '68 440 auto w/a/c cars.. Correct?

Troy

[41husk]

What di he say

[dpm68]

Huh?

[Blown70]

Tank numbers for a 68 gents.

Troy,  I  do not know.  I know what you are asking though.

Tom

[hemi68charger]

Huh?

The top of the tank has a 7-digit number with the last three grouped together...  example picture...  This is from a '68 Hemi Charger R/T auto... Just like mine.. I want to confirm that my friend's 440 auto car comes with the 047, per Galen's lil' White Book...

[dodgecharger-fan]

*Runs for 68 parts book*

Hang on..

[BigBlockSam]

 

[dodgecharger-fan]

The 047 core is for a 440 Auto with A/C Belvedere or Coronet (the parts book is that specific. It shows the models for this core as R-W where  R=Belv. and W=Coronet.)

A Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler (models P-D-C1-C2-C3) 68 core for a 440 auto and A/C is *2898070 (where the * denotes a recent change or addition.)
It is described as a 26" Core for 383 and 440 for both High Altitude and A/C applications

[hemi68charger]

*Runs for 68 parts book*

Hang on..

Cool,, thanks... pain not working from home when I have all those handy...........

Troy

[hemi68charger]

The 047 core is for a 440 Auto with A/C Belvedere or Coronet (the parts book is that specific. It shows the models for this core as R-W where  R=Belv. and W=Coronet.)

A Dodge/Plymouth/Chrysler (models P-D-C1-C2-C3) 68 core for a 440 auto and A/C is *2898070 (where the * denotes a recent change or addition.)
It is described as a 26" Core for 383 and 440 for both High Altitude and A/C applications

Then the Charger would fall into that realm as well?  Also, what about the application for the 048? Just like I stated, no?

Troy

[dodgecharger-fan]

Oops. Forgot about that one.

The 048 is for the 383-426 Standard application (no A/C no high altitude.)
Interstingly, the book shows it for the R-W models only. There is no mention of 426 under P-D-C (unless it's covered under the entry 383-440 - I'm not sure if the dash means "to" as in 383 to 440...)

[hemi68charger]

A b-body is a b-body, no matter what the skin looks like.... So, the 047 is for the 440 and the 048 is for the 383 and 426.............

[hemigeno]

Troy,

I know you already have Galen's books, so there's no need to put the usual disclaimers on his information...

All of the numbers below are for '68 B-bodies, and these are just the entries he has for B/RB engine combinations:

043  22"  383        Manual   Heater
044  22"  383-2      Auto     Heater
045  22"  383/440  Auto     Heater
047  26"  440       Manual    Heater   with Sales Code 492
047  26"  383/440  Auto      A/C
048  26"  383         Both     Heater   with Sales Code 358
048  26"  426         Both     Heater
069  26"  383         Both      Both     with Sales Code 358


I dont have any breakdowns on the '68 Sales Codes, so I can't say for certain what Sales Codes 492 & 358 are.  In 1969, they had a Medium Cooling package as well as a Maximum Cooling package.  If the patterns are similar, 492 = Medium Cooling package and 358 = Maximum Cooling package equivalents.

[hemigeno]

Also, something tells me that if you ordered a 440 with the Max Cool package (whatever that was) you'd get the 048 radiator even though Galen's chart doesn't list that option.  2898048 seems to be the same radiator as the '69 2949054.  Lots of 1969 440's came with the 054 radiator, and there's probably lots of '68s with the 048 as well.

Just a guess though.

[PocketThunder]

Did 69 Hemi's come with the 054?

Just wondering, because i have one laying around.

[hemigeno]

Did 69 Hemi's come with the 054?

Just wondering, because i have one laying around.

Yep, along with 6-pack cars too.  They're fairly-well fought over.  Even radiators in rough condition are bringing close to $7-800.  Nice ones are through the roof.  Money in the bank there, Paul...

383 and 440-4 cars had the 054 if the Max Cool package was spec'd out.

[PocketThunder]

Well i'd like to put it in my 500, but, it is a 22" radiator car.  So i'd have to change out the support.  Not sure if i want to do that just yet.  vs having a 22" radiator recored to handle a built 440's cooling needs....

[hemi68charger]

Well i'd like to put it in my 500, but, it is a 22" radiator car.  So i'd have to change out the support.  Not sure if i want to do that just yet.  vs having a 22" radiator recored to handle a built 440's cooling needs....

If you have an original 22" and your 440 isn't '60 over, I'd stick with the 22".. I would never start drilling.. What you can do maybe if you wish to have the extra capacity would try going 4-core.....
I have a friend with a 22" in his 440 car and it does just fine.......

Troy

[hemi68charger]

Geno:

Then what's the difference between the 047 and 048 physically? 2-row versus 3-row?

Troy

[hemigeno]

Geno:

Then what's the difference between the 047 and 048 physically? 2-row versus 3-row?

Troy

Well, I have studied neither of these in person, so I'm the wrong guy to ask if you want definite answers.  I think you are right though.

In '69, the difference between the 054 and 055 is exactly that - 054 is 3 row, and 055 is 2 row.  054 was the Hemi/MaxCool radiator, 055 was the 440 manual radiator.  It's my guess that the '69 pattern was carried over from '68, so that's why I am guessing you are right.

The top tanks of the 055 and 054 radiators are almost identical, but the bottom tanks on the 055 (2 row) are much skinnier than the 054 (3 row).

I don't know if I've answered your question, but that's my thoughts on the matter anyway.

[hemi68charger]

OK, the parts book leaves alot to be desired....

there are only three radiators listed in the parts book for a b-body..

26" 383-440    High Altitude   2949 054
26" 383-426    Standard         2898 048
26" 383-440   Air Conditioning  2898 047

Notice there's no # for 440 standard.. So, did ALL 440's with 26" get the 047 and the max-cool option only included the 7-blade fan w/clutch?

My 048 for the hemi car is a 3-core and my friend's 047 is a 2-core....

Troy

[69_500]

Wait a second Pocket are you telling me that your 500 had a 22" radiator in it?


If you aren't going to use that nice 054 Radiator, I'd gladly put it to use in my 500. As it is coded for a 054 Radiator on the buildsheet, but I'm minus a 054 radiator currently. Looked for one all of last year, only to find 2, 1 that was way over priced, and 1 that needed a lot of work for too much money in my opinion.

[hemigeno]

Troy,

Again, I can offer an opinion based on what I know to be the case in '69, but use the info at your own peril...

The Medium Cool package that came standard on any 440 manual transmission had a 2-core radiator (055 in '69), shroud, 7-blade Torque-drive fan (plus a Power Steering fluid cooler, but that's another story).  The only difference between the Maximum Cooling and Medium Cooling packages I can find was the radiator itself.  The water pump was selected based on whether the car had A/C or not, not the Max vs. Med issue - although 426 Hemi's got the A/C water pump/impeller even though they didn't have A/C.

Clear as mud, right?

Best I can tell:

440 auto no A/C would get the 22" 045 radiator - not sure about the fan, fairly sure it would have a shroud
440 auto A/C or 440 manual would get the 26" 2-row 047 radiator - almost certainly had the torque-drive & 7 blade fan, shroud too
I personally think 440's that were spec'd with the "Max Cool" package, whatever that was (S/C 358??) got the 26" 3-core 048 radiator

IIRC 4.10 axle options weren't offered in '68, which may have cut down on the number of cars that had the "Maximum Cooling" package spec'd.  Chris (Just_6T9) and some other guys found some other good information about '69 radiator sizes that we kicked around on this thread:

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,2562.0.html

The '68 parts book definitely leaves a lot to be desired on that topic, if that's all the info it lists.

[69fuchs]

hemigeno is right on.

Max cool 383-440-426  = 048
A/C 440 and/or medium cool package = 047
standard 383-440 use a 22" radiator


he is also right on talking about the bottum tanks.  The 047 uses a thinner tank than the 048.  They are identical in other respects.

[8WHEELER]

The 22in rad in 68, comes with a metal fan shroud on most all big block cars. That shroud is only 1 1/2 in deep at most.

Dan