MCG is still my favorite Mopar rag but when they're worng, they're wrong...

[Ghoste]

I know a lot of people hate their "Enquirer" method of reporting but that part doesn't bother me, in fact I usually find it much more entertaining than MA's stupid one liners and asides.  But those are just personal perferences and there is room for all of us.  I even like MCG's environmental column.  One of my favorites parts about it actually and I know the envronmental part is extreme and the political slant is extreme but I guess my thoughts there are that we are so bombarded by green advice and liberal ideals that an extreme opposite point of view forces you to think (hopefully).  But when they are wrong just blatantly wrong, it has to be called out.
Their latest issue and its environment column attacks the thought behind what would happen with a 4C rise in average temperature on the earth.  They used a flawed covnersion to calculate the change in F and came up wiht an average earth temp of far over a hundred degrees.  The problem with their conversion is that I think they used the quick and dirty method of taking the Celsius number, doubling it and adding thirty to get the Farenheit equivalent.  They went wrong by taking a 4C change, making it eight and adding 30 to come up with a 38F rise in average temp.  It doesn't work that way.  You can do it to the base number and the number that it would rise to and compare them for an accurate F change but you can't apply the formula to the shift.  The article they cite would actually see about an 8F change.
And now I know the MCG hate will ppour out so have at it follks.

[maxwellwedge]

For a magazine that says "EH" alot - they sure dont have that celcius thing dialed in - do they  - eh? 

[Aero426]

"How cool is that?" 

[RallyeMike]

Math is hard.

[41husk]

and 4/3 of all people struggle with fractions.

[JB400]

I could see where fractions could be considered hard, but some people don't understand how 1+1 can make 3 (or more)

[moparstuart]

I could see where fractions could be considered hard, but some people don't understand how 1+1 can make 3 (or more)

thats why you should always wear a condom   

[Cooter]

I could see where fractions could be considered hard, but some people don't understand how 1+1 can make 3 (or more)

The president has no problem with that one, why would some people??

[Homerr]

Typing "4C = F" into google is hard.

fixed   

[1970Moparmann]

I could see where fractions could be considered hard, but some people don't understand how 1+1 can make 3 (or more)

The president has no problem with that one, why would some people??

x2

[41husk]

I can see this gettin locked.

[BB1]

What?   Feet, inches, yards, Fahrenheit, speak English.

[JB400]

My fault. I threw things off center.

I generally don't pay that much attention to math facts and statistics printed in mags.  They're often misconstrued anyway to favor one side or the other.  But, some of their articles do make sense.  They do bring somethings to light.  

It'd be nice if some of these magazines would do some math and get their subscriptions more consistent.   I could get a subscription at one price, then a month later, get the same subscription at a cheaper rate.  I quit getting subscriptions just because of this.

[F8-4life]

if its not a car or girl then it doesnt belong in the mag..I wonder what makes them think they are experts on other matters?

[Paul G]

I just don't get when letters are put in math? I can multiply numbers but come on, letters? X, what is X?

[69fuchs]

if its not a car or girl then it doesnt belong in the mag..I wonder what makes them think they are experts on other matters?

I agree completely.  The magazine is fantastic, but the enviromental B.S. does NOT belong.  It is a waste of pages.  Bring on more cars please....

[Musicman]

Most of the time they are way off base, but heh... it's their Rag and they can do whatever they please. Don't like it, don't buy it.
As for me... it's the only Rag I currently subscribe too. The rest of them are just so chock full of paid promotional propaganda, misinformation, and other assorted horse manurer that I just can't stand looking at them. They're right up there with 95% of those Stupid A$$ car shows they put on TV for us today. You need an IQ under 70 to enjoy them, and if you watch them long enough that's just what you'll have.

[polywideblock]

and 4/3 of all people struggle with fractions.

so is it 3 or 4 people that struggle with fractions

[RTDaddy]

I could see where fractions could be considered hard, but some people don't understand how 1+1 can make 3 (or more)

thats why you should always wear a condom   

That's a good one Stu.

"IF YOU'RE UNDER CONTROL, YOU AIN'T GOING FAST ENOUGH."

[Old Moparz]

I'll buy MCG on occasion, but I won't actually believe what Rob Wolf prints since he's been outright full of shit before. (I have personally witnessed it.) He once left boxes of magazines, T-shirts, folding tables, & plastic storage cartons behind at Carlisle one year & claimed his vending booth was stolen. This moron stacked everything up next to a trash can at his vending space & then left the fairgrounds on Sunday. I walked by with my wife & daughter where we saw someone picking through all the "trash" that Wolf left behind. Over the next 20 to 30 minutes there were at least 20 people helping themselves to all of the T-shirts, magazines, etc.

In the next issue or so of MCG, Wolf's editorial said he left his space for 2 minutes to get his car & when he returned his booth was gone & that he had the plate number of the thief & an eye witness.  

Moron.  


By the way, convert fractions to decimals & they're a lot easier.      

[John_Kunkel]

One of my favorites parts about it actually and I know the envronmental part is extreme and the political slant is extreme but I guess my thoughts there are that we are so bombarded by green advice and liberal ideals that an extreme opposite point of view forces you to think (hopefully). 

So, they force you think wrong and that's good? Otay. 

[Ghoste]

Its only wrong John if we assume your way is right.  I prefer to take their propaganda and the kind that you like and form an opinion of my own but thanks for jumping in.

[TUFCAT]

I agree completely.  The magazine is fantastic, but the environmental B.S. does NOT belong.  It is a waste of pages.  Bring on more cars please....

I don't need MCG to educate me on the environmental impact of automobiles.  

If it wasn't for the love of overweight, inefficient, polluting, gasoline burning, high horsepower, environmentally unfriendly Mopars Rob Wolf wouldn't have a magazine.   

[bill440rt]

What about the tattoo page?? 

[TUFCAT]

What about the tattoo page?? 

We could go on and on...

[bill440rt]

What about the tattoo page?? 

We could go on and on...

[TUFCAT]

I'll still read feature articles when I can get my hands on the rag.  

[JB400]

Why bother reading the articles?  I'd rather look at the centerfolds.  Oops, wrong mag

[Ghoste]

Does anyone still read the classified ads?  I do but I wonder how many others bother in the internet age.

[1970Moparmann]

Does anyone still read the classified ads?  I do but I wonder how many others bother in the internet age.

I do.  This is one of the reasons why I get the mag.  Yes, I think the "P" articles can sometimes be wrong, but then on the other hand, there are some very interesting facts......

[bakerhillpins]

Its only wrong John if we assume your way is right.  I prefer to take their propaganda and the kind that you like and form an opinion of my own but thanks for jumping in.

[BrianShaughnessy]

I stopped subscribing a long time ago.   I really don't think much of the political BS in there... but there's some good new product info and a few decent car photo shoots.  To each their own.  

But on a personal note,  Rob is a nice guy when I've had the chance to talk with him a bit at the Nats.   One of their booths is right in back of the MA deal and he stops by to chat.

Rick E.  says Rob is a master at promoting his product(s) and he really goes all out at most major events.    Surprised to hear that from Rick.    The MA marketing guy is also friendly with Rob and they get along just great.    No animosity between competing brands to speak of... at least from the MA side.

[Ghoste]

I think MA could really rule the roost if they could get to a place where they drop the non-stop one liners and and don't force you to flip through the entire mag to finish an article.  I suppose none of them are perfect and thats why I keep getting 2 of them and sometimes the 3rd.

[JB400]

I have the same complaint about MA.  I flip through the whole magazine anyway, but I shouldn't have to flip through it 20 times just to read it once.  Other than that, the articles are really good.  There's enough info being given for someone to actually work on their car.

I'm not much for MM.  Seems like it it all Lx performance or motor builds lately.  They just stick classic muscle in as features.  Other than that, thier layout is good.  Thier editor talks about fixing some classic cars, but doesn't show anything being done.  He's supposedly got a 3rd gen Charger he's getting ready to do; whether or not he publishes anything on it, I doubt it.  His last editorial mentioned that he was going to do a stock type rebuild on it.


MCG, I'd like to see more feature cars and tech builds though.  I enjoy seeing the new parts section, but that's about it. Otherwise, it's like looking at the AutoBuy.

I find myself reading the Hemmings Muscle more than I do any of them.  They cover the classics as well as the Pro touring.  Best all around car mag I've found.  Best thing I like about them is they don't play favorites.  They ain't afraid to cover Buicks, Olds, AMC, or Mercury's.    in my book.

[BrianShaughnessy]

Ok... one more time.   I'll try to type slowly.

A magazine is a form of advertising.    Articles are written to fill in the spots between the advertisements.   

Flippng to different pages exposes you to different ads.  Without the ads,  there wouldn't be any magazines,   or newspapers,  or TV stations or many other things.  Nobody would pay the price for a magazine that it would cost without the ads.   

The thing in recent years for MA is the upgrade to full color instead of just the center 16 pages being color and the rest being B&W like in years past.


*** This is just me yapping my  ,  I am not speaking on behalf of MA or Harris pubs ***

[Ghoste]

I fully understand that Brian, but when your competitors will let me read a few pages or sometimes the entire thing, I am more inlcined to take a risk buying the magazine.  When I know every article in the mag will require me to flip through the whole mag just to get through even a single article then you better have something damned enticing on the cover because I naturally skip buying that.
I typed it at a moderate speed but I did it as an end consumer but not a regular one of MA or Harris.  Incidentally I also tend to be a consumer who purposely is less likely to look at ads when I'm subjected to them that way.  I'm likely in the minority on that though.
I do realize why they do it but it ends up backfiring in my case.

Its just an opinion of one though.

[John_Kunkel]

Its only wrong John if we assume your way is right.  I prefer to take their propaganda and the kind that you like and form an opinion of my own but thanks for jumping in.

You're the one who said it was wrong and mentioned that they force you to think. If you can be "forced to think" what does that say about you?

Personally, I dropped my subscription solely because of their slanted editorials....not because of the way they slanted but because they are slanted; they have no place in an automotive mag.

[Ghoste]

I'd say it says I'm open minded John.  YOU were the one who wanted to leap on it and twist it into something else.  If it wasn't a backhanded insult on your part then by all means I lay in prostrate humility before you and beg your forgiveness.  (but I sincerely doubt your comment was meant for anything but provocation and slight)

[TUFCAT]

Here's a great story.

MCG had their subscription stand set up last weekend at the WPC Winter Swap Meet in Mt. Clemens MI.

So naturally I get my free handout copy and move on.  Then I start thinking it would be nice to read the 3-4 years of magazines I missed by not subscribing (for feature car articles).  

Halfway through the show I came across a vendor selling decades worth of old MCG magazines, shrink wrapped by year, going all the back to the early 1990's!

I bought 4 complete years (2009 to 2012) for $20 total.  I saved nearly $80 bucks...and for that price I won't feel obligated to read any tabloid bullshit!  

[Ghoste]

   Good deal!

[bill440rt]

MA has definitely made my top list of fave's, I actually like their humor & one-liners. It breathes a little life into the articles. Besides, they have a great hands-on tech guy that sometimes gets photographed in their how-to articles.     

MCG follows, I still like their new repro parts announcements, classifieds, and the resto articles written by Badalson.

I still get MM, but I can do without 10 pages of motor dyno shootouts every issue.

[John_Kunkel]

MA is my favorite Mopar mag but they, too, can't resist occasionally interjecting their political views into an otherwise great technical pub.

[TUFCAT]

I love the technical stuff in Mopar Action...., Ehrenberg is one smart cookie.