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How many guys running stock 440's and 383's in you Charger??

Started by Back N Black, January 21, 2013, 10:55:34 AM

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Back N Black

Just, wondering what you think of the power for such a big car, the 440 is 375 Hp and the 383 is 325 hp. Is it enough? or would you like to have more power.
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b5blue

  I'm good, 440 stock HP Mopar cam and heads, .060 overbore 9.5 to 1 Hypers. with a stock 6 pack and HP ex. manifolds, crappy duel's with low restriction muffs (No crossover.) Lights up my close to stock size tires and runs fine.  :2thumbs:

Dino

Had a 68 with a stock 383 save for cheap headers and now have a 440 in the 69 with a mild cam and headers.  There's more than enough power for my use with both cars but it's all relative.  Some will build a 700 hp monster and still don't feel it's enough.  I'm not one of those I guess.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Cooter

@ 375HP, I assume your referring to how mnay are running STOCK 440's and 383's.....


Most that are running 440's/383's are nowhere near 375HP. Most are in the 400-500HP range without stroker kits. I for one, have a 440 basic low comp turd motor, with CH heads and too big a cam and love it. It's enough to smoke a 10.5: clutch with a weak azz T-5 trans.
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

Ghoste

How much is "enough"?  The answer is as varied as the number of people driving old Chargers.  It all comes down to what you the individual plan to do with the car.

Cooter

Quote from: Ghoste on January 21, 2013, 12:20:44 PM
How much is "enough"?  The answer is as varied as the number of people driving old Chargers. 

While this still holds true, it's like when my brother kept telling me he was drag racing his poor 318 Dart "For fun"...It's all in "fun"...Till he got beat about three times in a row by a Stroker Dart in the other lane, then it wasn't so much "Fun" anymore.

Same applies to engines and whether to stroke or not, and how much power. It's all in how much can one afford. IMO, it's never enough, as these cars used to rule the streets, but let's face it, today, they would get their asses handed to them by some jellybean lookin' Mustank with a "Modular" engine. So, in order for most to keep up, they tend to build these dinosaurs to uphold their repuatation.
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

johnnyseville

Quote from: Cooter on January 21, 2013, 12:30:07 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on January 21, 2013, 12:20:44 PM
How much is "enough"?  The answer is as varied as the number of people driving old Chargers.  

While this still holds true, it's like when my brother kept telling me he was drag racing his poor 318 Dart "For fun"...It's all in "fun"...Till he got beat about three times in a row by a Stroker Dart in the other lane, then it wasn't so much "Fun" anymore.

Same applies to engines and whether to stroke or not, and how much power. It's all in how much can one afford. IMO, it's never enough, as these cars used to rule the streets, but let's face it, today, they would get their asses handed to them by some jellybean lookin' Mustank with a "Modular" engine. So, in order for most to keep up, they tend to build these dinosaurs to uphold their repuatation.

Exactly my sentiment, will not be beaten by a high tech model with a high performance chip.  The old saying goes. never can be too rich, too good looking or have too much horsepower. :flame:
too many to list!

skip68

For me all I wanted was the ability to smoke my tires and have a nice deep rumble.   Never had the need or money to try and keep up with the next guy.  There will always be a next guy that's got more money and faster.   The more power usually means the worst it runs on the street.   Before VegasMike and I de-tuned my 440, it only ran great at over 3,500 rpm.    :rotz:   Wrong build.   I wanted a cruiser with a little muscle not a wide open throttle drag car.  I think a stock 440 would be plenty for me and my driving habits.   
I didn't know much about motors and had a shop build my first one.   That was my mistake.   
skip68, A.K.A. Chuck \ 68 Charger 440 auto\ 67 Camaro RS (no 440)       FRANKS & BEANS !!!


JB400

For insurance reasons, I thought they're all stock :icon_smile_big:  Mine won't need a lot of hp.  I'd rather have more of a stock build anyway for reliability reasons.  I'm more of a corner carver anyway, and excessive hp numbers just aren't as important as are torque and a well handling car. 

Troy

I don't think any of my cars have ever been "stock" - but none are far from it. I drive a LOT so longevity is important. I see a lot of guys with race motors on the street and they're constantly rebuilding something. I don't have the time or patience for that!

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

triple_green

My 68 is bone stock except for the Petronix kit. Even has the stock 490 cfm carter AVS carb. The 28" tires with the 3.23 are a little "doggy", but the 275 60 15s on 15x8 Magnums look great!

It runs well and is easy to tune. It will turn the tires over from dead start (but just barely). My son ran it in the 1/4 last year and it went 15.0, leaving it drive, with an 18 YO driver.

It has great acceleration up to 100.

But best of all it sounds awesome...with the loose factory "hemi mufflers". It is loud, but not flowmaster loud and droning.

I have fantisized about a 600-650 carb and a set of headders. Don't know if it would make a lot of difference...

What I love most is the new Camaro and Mustang guys (even Vipers) seem to be afraid of it. If they only knew it only had a 490 cfm stock carb....

Still a blast to drive!!
68 Charger 383 HP grandma car (the orignal 3X)

Mopar Nut

Stock 383 HP in my 69, but looking for a 440 six pack car.
"Dear God, my prayer for 2024 is a fat bank account and a thin body. Please don't mix these up like you did the last ten years."

68RT440

The 440 in my '68 isnt crazy, but I wish it was faster. Its the matching numbers motor, so we didnt go crazy with it. .060" over with flat tops, stock crank and rods, home ported original 906's with stock sized valves, Comp cam, old CH4B Eddy intake and a holley carb. It has the stock 3.23 gears and 727 trans with a 2400 stall and a Cheeta valve body. Car feels gutless, not sure if Im just used to my Mustang, or what, but it needs more....
1968 Charger R/T, matching numbers 440/727, black with green top and interior, currently getting restored by me

westcoastdodge

my stock 440 seems to be enough to scare off most chicken chasers :D
I don't care what is is designed to do,I want to know what it can do.
Gene Kranz

Patronus

I figure you need 600 hp to move her at a respectable rate these days.  :Twocents:
'73 Cuda 340 5spd RMS
'69 Charger 383 "Luci"
'08 CRF 450r
'12.5 450SX FE

BlueSS454

I have a bone stock as Chrysler built it 440 in the Charger.  The only thing I changed was the intake manifold just to get rid of that cast iron boat anchor that was on it.  While I think it is lacking in the horsepower department because it's a 1974 Motorhome engine, it still does everything I need it to do.  Get me from point A to point B when I take it out for a ride or down to Ocean City, MD for the weekend.  I had thought about pulling it and rebuilding it so it has about 400-450 HP but decided to leave well enough alone.  The engine itself has low mileage and runs like a top.
Tom Rightler

charger_fan_4ever

I will only add electronic ignition and a holley carb for reliabilty reasons and a small cam for my 440.

Lets face it the charger is a 4000lbs car. You want to go fast buy an A body and shove a big block in it with real heads.

twodko

My 69's 440 has electronic ignition and an Edlebrock carb. I'd like headers, some performance heads and another carb but then it wouldn't be original. Yeah, I know its not original with the 2 items that are on it but you get my drift.
FLY NAVY/Marine Corps or take the bus!

440mike

The 383 in my '67 is a mild build, headers and alum intake with edlb 650 carb, and a little bigger cam. Could use a bit more carb but run great and is very reliable and pretty quick for a big car, however I am trying to buy a nice mildly built 440 thats around 500hp but still very streetable and reliable as well as its been in my friends wifes 73 cuda for a while now and has never given him any trouble.  He is gonna do a late model hemi swap on it so I am buying the 440! :icon_smile_tongue:
67 Charger, current muscle,
66 383 4 speed Coronet 500
68&69 GTS Darts
440 69 Dart
68&70&72 Road Runners
396 Chevelle
455 68 442
67 440 GTX
340 4SPEED & AUTO 73 Dart Sports
340 71 Demon
66 Mustang coupe.
76 Camaro R/S T-top car
75 400 Firebird
past muscle cars

Cooter

Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on January 22, 2013, 01:24:29 PM


Lets face it the charger is a 4000lbs car. You want to go fast buy an A body and shove a big block in it with real heads.

Firefighterron might disagree. He goes fast in a 4000LB "Pig".
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

1974dodgecharger

or beat by some 1500lb civic with a turbo hahahahah...

to keep up and blow the waters out of these modern rice burners we need a stroked, bored, engine in the 500 range and then add a blower for 'safe' KEEPING to make sure we blow by them by 10 car lengths or more.
Quote from: Cooter on January 21, 2013, 12:30:07 PM
Quote from: Ghoste on January 21, 2013, 12:20:44 PM
How much is "enough"?  The answer is as varied as the number of people driving old Chargers. 

While this still holds true, it's like when my brother kept telling me he was drag racing his poor 318 Dart "For fun"...It's all in "fun"...Till he got beat about three times in a row by a Stroker Dart in the other lane, then it wasn't so much "Fun" anymore.

Same applies to engines and whether to stroke or not, and how much power. It's all in how much can one afford. IMO, it's never enough, as these cars used to rule the streets, but let's face it, today, they would get their asses handed to them by some jellybean lookin' Mustank with a "Modular" engine. So, in order for most to keep up, they tend to build these dinosaurs to uphold their repuatation.

cdr

the old tired 383 is still in my car !but not for long,been collecting parts.
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68 Charger 512 cid,9.7to1,Hilborn EFI,Home ported 440 source heads,small hyd roller cam,COLD A/C ,,a518 trans,Dana 60 ,4.10 gear,10.93 et,4100lbs on street tires full exhaust daily driver
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resq302

Quote from: Cooter on January 22, 2013, 11:06:41 PM
Quote from: charger_fan_4ever on January 22, 2013, 01:24:29 PM


Lets face it the charger is a 4000lbs car. You want to go fast buy an A body and shove a big block in it with real heads.

Firefighterron might disagree. He goes fast in a 4000LB "Pig".

Speaking of which..... anyone hear from Ron lately?
Brian
1969 Dodge Charger (factory 4 speed, H code 383 engine,  AACA Senior winner, 2008 Concours d'Elegance participant, 2009 Concours d'Elegance award winner)
1970 Challenger Convert. factory #'s matching red inter. w/ white body.  318 car built 9/28/69 (AACA Senior winner)
1969 Plymough GTX convertible - original sheet metal, #'s matching drivetrain, T3 Honey Bronze, 1 of 701 produced, 1 of 362 with 440 4 bbl - auto

bill440rt

All depends on what you want to do with the car.
If racing is your game, then of COURSE stock isn't for you. You'll always want more, and there will always be someone faster. Isn't that the point? The want/need to go faster?

Aside from a 30-overbore & hardened valve seats, the 440 in my '70 is stone stock. Points ignition & stock carb also. I wouldn't change a thing. Idles smooth & runs beautifully.

My '69 is more modified, dyno'd at around 520-hp, which is more than plenty on the street for me.
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

70 Charger RT

 No stock here.  But not a race engine either.  It has a 6 pack setup, with stealth heads and a 10.5 to 1 compression ratio.  The dyno says 430 HP with 508 foot pounds.  I'm currently still hooking everything up before I start it.
70 Charger R/T - 440/6
07 BMW 328iS
04 GMC SLE 2500 Diesel