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Started by marshallfry01, January 16, 2013, 04:50:13 PM

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marshallfry01

http://swmi.craigslist.org/ctd/3494204704.html
Does anyone here own this car?  It looks like a very detailed replica but about 10-15k overpriced in my opinion.  I hope one day I'll have one that looks that nice!
1969 Charger 383/auto
1969 Charger R/T 440/auto (waiting to be restored)
1972 Chevelle SS clone 383 sbc
1959 Chevy Apache short bed stepside
1968 Charger (glorified parts car)
Yes, I know I have too many cars. My wife reminds me daily.

johnnyseville

Quote from: marshallfry01 on January 16, 2013, 04:50:13 PM
http://swmi.craigslist.org/ctd/3494204704.html
Does anyone here own this car?  It looks like a very detailed replica but about 10-15k overpriced in my opinion.  I hope one day I'll have one that looks that nice!

More like 40K overpriced.
too many to list!

ACUDANUT

Well at least it has a big block. I have 318 general lee's...And that is a joke by itself

Cooter

Quote from: johnnyseville on January 16, 2013, 05:03:10 PM
Quote from: marshallfry01 on January 16, 2013, 04:50:13 PM
http://swmi.craigslist.org/ctd/3494204704.html
Does anyone here own this car?  It looks like a very detailed replica but about 10-15k overpriced in my opinion.  I hope one day I'll have one that looks that nice!

More like 40K overpriced.

I think Hilpag tried to sell $8000.00 General Lees For $48K didn't they? I WISH somebody was selling a GL in that condition for $8K..I ain't found Nobody THAT stupid yet.
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

RCKSTR

Quote from: ACUDANUT on January 16, 2013, 07:15:37 PM
Well at least it has a big block. I have 318 general lee's...And that is a joke by itself


I'd bet a majority of the general lees that you actually see jumping and stunting were 318 cars

marshallfry01

Quote from: RCKSTR on January 16, 2013, 07:49:10 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on January 16, 2013, 07:15:37 PM
Well at least it has a big block. I have 318 general lee's...And that is a joke by itself


I'd bet a majority of the general lees that you actually see jumping and stunting were 318 cars
You're right. They liked the 318 cars because the front end wouldn't nose down as bad as the big blocks!
1969 Charger 383/auto
1969 Charger R/T 440/auto (waiting to be restored)
1972 Chevelle SS clone 383 sbc
1959 Chevy Apache short bed stepside
1968 Charger (glorified parts car)
Yes, I know I have too many cars. My wife reminds me daily.

TUFCAT

The orange paint on the lower door shell is awful... :eek2:  makes me wonder how much more "attention to detail" will be found?   :Twocents:

Mike DC

  
The TV show jumped a lot of 318 cars but they liked 383/440 cars for driving fast.  




QuoteMore like 40K overpriced.

Yeah, lots of Chargers in that condition can be bought for $8000.   :slap:  


ACUDANUT

Don't know about the engines, but I do know they filled the trunks with concrete to balence the air borne car.

RCKSTR

Quote from: ACUDANUT on January 16, 2013, 08:32:35 PM
Don't know about the engines, but I do know they filled the trunks with concrete to balence the air borne car.

Yep  :yesnod: Thats why the quarters buckle so bad when they land

marshallfry01

I think it is worth 23-28k.  It has no a/c, and a few other things that I don't like.  I don't want a reverse manual valve body and I would want a gear vendors for that price.  It's just too much for not being an original car.  $48,000 would almost get a 69 500.
1969 Charger 383/auto
1969 Charger R/T 440/auto (waiting to be restored)
1972 Chevelle SS clone 383 sbc
1959 Chevy Apache short bed stepside
1968 Charger (glorified parts car)
Yes, I know I have too many cars. My wife reminds me daily.

1974dodgecharger

Quote from: marshallfry01 on January 16, 2013, 09:52:30 PM
I think it is worth 23-28k.  It has no a/c, and a few other things that I don't like.  I don't want a reverse manual valve body and I would want a gear vendors for that price.  It's just too much for not being an original car.  $48,000 would almost get a 69 500.


thinking in that range too thinking more broad though like 22k to 30k!!!  He is one of the people that 'chargers' go up in value daily and is trying to churn a profit.  Cant blame the people for that.....  :2thumbs:

JB400

Viewing it as another custom as it should be, over all, the car isn't bad.  I'll take into consideration that at that price, your paying for 2 paint jobs, not just one.  He does mention it.  I do see that it needs a few things.  Door paint as mentioned, the horn needs to be rearranged so that the hoses are shorter.  I'm sure there might be a couple other odds and ends that need attention, but so do other cars in the same price range.  I've seen this one before, can't remember where exactly.  Even though it's priced on the higher end of the market, I think some clever bartering could get him into the proper price range.    The seller has had this one a while. It's one that I wouldn't overlook if I was in the market for one.

Indygenerallee

Car is nice! And on the show most of the jump cars were big blocks 400's or 440's (a few 383's) the small block cars just did not have the torque to get the car up to speed quick enough for the jumps, all the other set cars were small blocks 318 or 360. And as far as the weight used in the trunk the first one had concrete but the rest used weight plates (similar to tractor weights) That they had a rack welded to the cage and the weights were chained to the rack. (I have seen numerous pics from Don Schisler with this setup)
Sold my Charger unfortunately....never got it finished.

Ram07

Nice car...too bad it's got those silly stickers on it... :D


Not 48k nice tho!

Hard Charger

the color looks off also.

tan top

looks a nice general from the pictures   :coolgleamA:  ,

Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

tan top

 :popcrn:
Feel free to post any relevant picture you think we all might like to see in the threads below!

Charger Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,86777.0.html
Chargers in the background where you least expect them 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,97261.0.html
C500 & Daytonas & Superbirds
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,95432.0.html
Interesting pictures & Stuff 
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,109484.925.html
Old Dodge dealer photos wanted
 http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,120850.0.html

greenpigs

Push bar looks funky.

Nice condition, but still overpriced.

If 20K gets a number matching 68 RT 4 speed(driver quality) this is a 15k or so ride.
1969 Charger RT


Living Chevy free

marshallfry01

Quote from: greenpigs on January 17, 2013, 10:38:13 PM
Push bar looks funky.

Nice condition, but still overpriced.

If 20K gets a number matching 68 RT 4 speed(driver quality) this is a 15k or so ride.

I agree. I was thinking $23,000-28,000 at first but now I'm thinking more like $20,000.
1969 Charger 383/auto
1969 Charger R/T 440/auto (waiting to be restored)
1972 Chevelle SS clone 383 sbc
1959 Chevy Apache short bed stepside
1968 Charger (glorified parts car)
Yes, I know I have too many cars. My wife reminds me daily.

Fitz73Chrgr

Quote from: TUFCAT on January 16, 2013, 08:06:29 PM
The orange paint on the lower door shell is awful... :eek2:  makes me wonder how much more "attention to detail" will be found?   :Twocents:

Are you referring to the paint strip on the lower interior side of the doors?
'73 Charger - project                '70 Charger - driver                 '66 Charger - survivor

Resto thread:
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,89803.msg1019541.html#msg1019541

skip68

I'd say $26k to $28k.     :yesnod:
skip68, A.K.A. Chuck \ 68 Charger 440 auto\ 67 Camaro RS (no 440)       FRANKS & BEANS !!!


Mike DC

             
The next time I'm Charger shopping I'm gonna look for one with the inner door shells painted wrong.  

Judging by this thread, it seems to lower the car's value by about $5-10 grand.    

G-man

Sounds like Im gonna try that one myself.  :lol:

Cooter

Quote from: Mike DC (formerly miked) on January 18, 2013, 02:04:39 AM
             
The next time I'm Charger shopping I'm gonna look for one with the inner door shells painted wrong.  

Judging by this thread, it seems to lower the car's value by about $5-10 grand.    


HA! Damn Mike, that's funny right there.
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

Chargen69

Quote from: Indygenerallee on January 17, 2013, 12:23:04 PM
Car is nice! And on the show most of the jump cars were big blocks 400's or 440's (a few 383's) the small block cars just did not have the torque to get the car up to speed quick enough for the jumps, all the other set cars were small blocks 318 or 360. And as far as the weight used in the trunk the first one had concrete but the rest used weight plates (similar to tractor weights) That they had a rack welded to the cage and the weights were chained to the rack. (I have seen numerous pics from Don Schisler with this setup)

um no, i think i heard somewhere that only one jump car on the SHOW was a big block, for the reasons mentioned above, it wasnt a race, they backed the cars up as far as they needed to to get the speed they wanted.

Indygenerallee

Well your wrong, Tom Sarmento has said that most of the jump cars were big blocks, no joke they were not trying to "race" it was more about the TORQUE to get it up to speed quick enough while it would have taken a small block car twice the distance.
Sold my Charger unfortunately....never got it finished.

skip68

I can say for a fact they were small block cars for the most part being that I was one of the drivers.   :icon_smile_wink:   Some of the cars even had chevy 350's in them.    :yesnod:    I remember jumping one of the cars that had a modified VW engine in it.  Man that car was fast.   :2thumbs:
skip68, A.K.A. Chuck \ 68 Charger 440 auto\ 67 Camaro RS (no 440)       FRANKS & BEANS !!!


moparstuart

GO SELL CRAZY SOMEWHERE ELSE WE ARE ALL STOCKED UP HERE

Chargen69

Quote from: Indygenerallee on January 18, 2013, 10:20:25 AM
Well your wrong, Tom Sarmento has said that most of the jump cars were big blocks, no joke they were not trying to "race" it was more about the TORQUE to get it up to speed quick enough while it would have taken a small block car twice the distance.

exactly they were not trying to race, thanks for making my point, it didnt matter, they could have jumped a car with any motor, it didnt have to be a big block, do you not understand science, it was already mentioned in this thread that the bigger the weight in the front meant the car would nose down harder

Mike DC

Taking a long space to get up to speed . . . that's all well and good, as long as you always have several hundred yards of flat straight paved road leading up to the jump.   But the DOH crew didn't always have that nice ideal situation every time the director pointed to some creek or obstacle and said "we're gonna jump over this."  Sometimes there wasn't any road at all.  

If you've ever seen a GL jump in person and visited the actual filming locations from the Cali shows you get why this was a problem.  They needed acceleration space to get a (700+lbs overloaded) car up to 50-70mph + 100-200 feet for the jump itself + runoff space for a wrecked car that might not even have brakes working anymore = a LONG straight space is required for a jump.    




DOH mainly used 383/727 cars.  440s and 318s were used sometimes but the 383 cars outnumbered all the others.

They also starting using nitrous on some of the jump cars in the later seasons.  It was necessary for a jump at one point, and once they had bought & learned the nitrous setup they began using it on some other jumps too.

   

Indygenerallee

Quoteexactly they were not trying to race, thanks for making my point, it didnt matter, they could have jumped a car with any motor, it didnt have to be a big block, do you not understand science, it was already mentioned in this thread that the bigger the weight in the front meant the car would nose down harder
Your real bright, I am pretty sure I know what I am talking about as I have read numerous accounts from the stuntmen and even Tom Sarmento, Granted there were more small block cars but they did use more than "ONE" big block car for jumps, and I already stated the weights used. Im done discussing it.
Sold my Charger unfortunately....never got it finished.

Daytona Guy

Quote from: marshallfry01 on January 16, 2013, 07:59:57 PM
Quote from: RCKSTR on January 16, 2013, 07:49:10 PM
Quote from: ACUDANUT on January 16, 2013, 07:15:37 PM
Well at least it has a big block. I have 318 general lee's...And that is a joke by itself


I'd bet a majority of the general lees that you actually see jumping and stunting were 318 cars
You're right. They liked the 318 cars because the front end wouldn't nose down as bad as the big blocks!

How true are these physics? By "law" everything drops at the same rate – regardless of weight. So regardless, if a 318, 383, or 440 is being used, the front end will fall (nose down) at the same rate (if it is inclined to do so). Weight does not determine the "rate of fall". Weight (of the engine) may make more of a difference in how the suspension holds up when you hit the ramp, which may determine how the car leaves the ramp. The suspension springs the nose up as it leaves the ramp that affects the nose down or nose up.

Law of Physics: "everything falls at 9.8 meters per second initially. Meaning = that the speed increases by 9.8 meters per second, every second. After 2 seconds it's 19.6 m/sec, after 3 it's 29.4, etc - A law can't be argued with :)

Dane

bull

Is that thing red? It looks red to me. :shruggy:

Daytona Guy

Quote from: bull on January 18, 2013, 07:31:31 PM
Is that thing red? It looks red to me. :shruggy:
Thats what I was thinks too. Having had that color, a cloudy day made it look Rally Red.

bill440rt

I sure am glad the new season of American Idol started up.  :yesnod:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

skip68

skip68, A.K.A. Chuck \ 68 Charger 440 auto\ 67 Camaro RS (no 440)       FRANKS & BEANS !!!


Mike DC

QuoteHow true are these physics? By "law" everything drops at the same rate – regardless of weight. So regardless, if a 318, 383, or 440 is being used, the front end will fall (nose down) at the same rate (if it is inclined to do so). Weight does not determine the "rate of fall". Weight (of the engine) may make more of a difference in how the suspension holds up when you hit the ramp, which may determine how the car leaves the ramp. The suspension springs the nose up as it leaves the ramp that affects the nose down or nose up.

I think the weight has more to do with stabilizing the rearend's behavior than anything else.  Without it, the rear half of the car springs back upwards more after hitting the ramp.  (And those cars HIT the ramps hard.)  The rear leaf springs & bumpstops & tires don't exert as much of a rebound effect with a big wad of mass in the trunk.  



When Baja desert racers first started really jumping their trucks, they found that shock absorber rebound rates had a big effect on the attitude in-flight.  

But it's a different ballgame for a production car that is slamming into short/steep ramps.  The factory suspension is so totally overmatched for the job . . .  you might as well visualize the car doing the jump with the springs/shocks missing entirely.  And that is most definitely true for the landing.  


marshallfry01

I think it's a very nice replica, but I just get annoyed by these outrageous "asking prices." that's the only reason I started this thread, just to see what the non general lee haters thought it was worth.  :yesnod:  I would buy it for the right price, but it's about 18-22k to much IMHO.
1969 Charger 383/auto
1969 Charger R/T 440/auto (waiting to be restored)
1972 Chevelle SS clone 383 sbc
1959 Chevy Apache short bed stepside
1968 Charger (glorified parts car)
Yes, I know I have too many cars. My wife reminds me daily.

Daytona Guy

Quote from: marshallfry01 on January 19, 2013, 12:48:09 AM
I think it's a very nice replica, but I just get annoyed by these outrageous "asking prices." that's the only reason I started this thread, just to see what the non general lee haters thought it was worth.  :yesnod:  I would buy it for the right price, but it's about 18-22k to much IMHO.

Take the dukes stuff off and you get a really nice Charger. What are they going for now? It sure looks like it could bring 25,000 to 30,000 on its own. What has someone sold their nice 69 for?

Dane

Cooter

That's just it.....The General Lee stuff sometimes bring MORE than a "plain jane" Charger for some folks. This is obviously who this person is aiming at. You don't ask what a GL is worth from a purists point of view.
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

ACUDANUT

I agree.  :cheers:
I like Genreal Lee's done right.