Challenge RT 10 ?

[41husk]

My brother called me from a car show in VA he met a guy that had a RT10 Challenger.  He said it was a limited edition that included the mopar M on the hood.  The guy said there was an RT 11 as well that was the same package on the Charger.  I asume these are 5.7 cars.  Anyone know anything about these?

[kab69440]

A "Mopar '10" Challenger, or one of the V-10 drag cars?

[moparstuart]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k39yB4e21bE

[JB400]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k39yB4e21bE

[Ponch ®]

yeah, the MOPAR 10. Basically an appearance package - they also offered it on the Charger and i think (but not sure) either the Caliber or Avenger. All blacked out with accent stripes and a hood scoop. They throw a crappy MOPAR Cold Air Intake on there for "performance" (IIRC, they used to claim 15 hp gain...lol) and a suspension "upgrade".

It's really nothing special.

[41husk]

I think that is it!

[Mytur Binsdirti]

yeah, the MOPAR 10. Basically an appearance package - It's really nothing special.

I agree and it's black & blue; the color of a bruise. 

[41husk]

Do they only come in black?

[Ponch ®]

Do they only come in black?

yeah, but you could get the stripes/decals in other colors.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Do they only come in black?

Yup.  Also, they have about 20 "Mopar" & "M" logo all over the car. It's just waaaay too much.

[Ponch ®]

Do they only come in black?

Yup.  Also, they have about 20 "Mopar" & "M" logo all over the car. It's just waaaay too much.

I dunno why, but I think those six pack /T/A -type hoods look horrendous on modern Challengers / Chargers - seen them on both. But to each their own.

I'm always leery of those "special edition" cars that are mostly cosmetic, esp. since I kinda got into the LX modding scene. At some point, it makes more sense to buy a plain jane car (be it Charger, Challenger, etc) and mod it with wheels, stripes, interior stuff, etc for a hell of a lot less money, and you get to do it exactly the way you want it.  I mean, going for a higher trim / limited edition car makes sense in most cases when the differences are substantial (like bigger engine, suspension, etc. - like going from an R/T to an SRT) but not when you're just getting a bunch of stickers and emblems.

[odcics2]

Having seen one in person, they are amazing.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I've seen them in person too & the word that comes to mind for me is gawdy.

[41husk]

my brother liked it

[1974dodgecharger]

Its a special order car it cots roughly 100k to make the driveline is modified.  I read this in a mopar magazine....also not any joe can walk in the dealership and special order it either......you gotta be 'SPECIAL'

[41husk]

The guy in Va was president of the tidewater Mopar club, I wouldn't think that would make you special.  The fact that he also had a yellow convertible 70 Challenger like mine did however qualify him as special.

[Ponch ®]

Its a special order car it cots roughly 100k to make the driveline is modified.  I read this in a mopar magazine....also not any joe can walk in the dealership and special order it either......you gotta be 'SPECIAL'

$100K to make? wow, no wonder Chrysler was in the dumps...spending $100K to make the car and selling it for $40K.

And anyone can buy the Mopar 10. I've seen them used at dealerships.

[1974dodgecharger]

Its a special order car it cots roughly 100k to make the driveline is modified.  I read this in a mopar magazine....also not any joe can walk in the dealership and special order it either......you gotta be 'SPECIAL'

$100K to make? wow, no wonder Chrysler was in the dumps...spending $100K to make the car and selling it for $40K.

And anyone can buy the Mopar 10. I've seen them used at dealerships.

its a special car though as in you have to request it and even after you request you have to be very 'special' to get it.  They put the viper engine in it, modify the driveline to fit, etc, its not a bad deal I say considering the viper itself is that much at the 100k mark and putting one in a chally, modern, is pretty badass. Its not a massed produced vehicle per say due to the mods that need to be done to it.

you could call it the 'SRT Challenger'

[JB400]

74 dc, your confusing the Mopar Challenger R/T '10 with the Drag Pack.  The Drag Pack has the viper v10, this black car with the blue stripes is nothing more than a fancy R/T with a Hemi.  Drag Pack cars are only available in white and are completely stripped of all thier street luxeries.

[mauve66]

they also had a version with the murdered out flat black and the blue stripe but as they said its just a decal kit, not 100K either, and for the dragpak cars you don't have to be special, you just have to be a legitimate racer since they can't be titled for the street

[FJMG]

I thought the "Mopar 10" was an appearance package for 2010
As was the "mopar 11" and the "mopar 12" for 2012 and was available on chargers as well?

[41husk]

I was told the Mopar 12 was the Charger package?

[Ponch ®]

I thought the "Mopar 10" was an appearance package for 2010
As was the "mopar 11" and the "mopar 12" for 2012 and was available on chargers as well?

Mopar 10 = Challengers
Mopar 11 = Chargers
Mopar 12 = not sure?

74 dc, your confusing the Mopar Challenger R/T '10 with the Drag Pack.  The Drag Pack has the viper v10, this black car with the blue stripes is nothing more than a fancy R/T with a Hemi.  Drag Pack cars are only available in white and are completely stripped of all thier street luxeries.

I think he's confusing them too. But I thought even the Drag Pack wasn't $100K - a lot less than that (I could be wrong though). I remember something about how it had to be ordered off the MOPAR catalog and it had a part number and everything (unlike a street legal car)

[41husk]

My brother said the guy in VA had a white Challenger RT10?

[Lord Warlock]

The mopar10 challengers were all black, but you had 3 choices in the stripe colors, blue, red, or silver.  They had all sorts of mopar badging on it, and the t handle shifter on autos.  There were supposedly a limited run of 500 cars, which they tried to sell at a premium since it was a numbered limited edition, the hood scoop was functional (as are all of the newer TA hoods, should you remove the covering over the holes and purchase the airbox) Prior to the mopar10, the ta hoods were not functional, only decorative, except for mine which i had to cut open the holes before i painted or installed it. All of the scoop parts are available thru mopar currently, but they won't sell you some of the mopar10 pieces unless you can prove you already own a mopar10.  At least in my case, i have the stock hood and the TA hood should i ever want to go back to stock for a different look.  Those that bought the exterior appearance package were stuck with a non functional TA hood only (in 2010).  
Mopar10s tended to cost about 2500 more than a standard r/t, or in the ballpark of an r/t classic optioned out.  (36-40k)

For details on the mopar 10 you can go here:  http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger/mopar-10.html


The dragpak challengers were non street legal cars designed only for the track, and came with a viper v10 in them, and yes they were pricey, i'd still like to get the v10 in a street version though.  I think these were selling for around 75k back in 2010, but could have been more, i've seen a couple in person.  Seems like a lot to spend on a non street legal car.  The drag pack v10 challengers were however all white models.  To my knowledge they weren't officially an RT though.  So calling it an RT10 wouldn't be accurate. 

[Ponch ®]

My brother said the guy in VA had a white Challenger RT10?

odd. never heard of that.

Three possibilities (in order of likelihood)

1) A misunderstanding on what your brother heard or what the guy said. Maybe the guy meant to say "it's a Challenger R/T, '10" (as in it's a 2010). Kind of an odd way to say it, but not unheard of). Or maybe the guy doesn't even know what he has.

2) the guy did some backyard re-badging- maybe got the hood, etc in the aftermarket and decided that since he had some of the parts from a MOPAR 10, he might as well call it an "R/T 10". I've seen this with guys who, for example, have V6 chargers but put SRT-8 wheels, hoods, spoilers, etc on them and then (most of them jokingly) say they drive an SRT-6 and sometimes even put the badges on.

3) It's an expensive custom car in which someone actually put a viper engine and whatnot. A form of badge engineering too, but on a serious level. This is the most unlikely.

[Cooter]

My understanding that the "Drag pack" Challengers came with a NON running Hemi that is carb'd, No rear suspension (Only a Trailer tow dolly looking thing with wagon wheels under the car to transport it), No wiring harness to engine, No air bags, NOT legal for Street use, NO HVAC system,sound deadner,etc... All this for the low, low, price of $30-$40K.


Only Professional Drag racers can even get 'em.

[Lord Warlock]

Drag Pak Features:
•The first and only 500-plus cubic-inch V-10 drag-race package car
•2-speed automatic transmission with shift assembly and built-in roll control
•Built for sanctioned NHRA Stock and Super Stock configurations
•Complete interior with gauge package
•Identification plate and badge with unique serial number sequence
•Primed and painted body, color options available
•Competition fuel system with fuel cell
•Mopar Solid rear axle


Body Style Designation
Drag Pak, LC22R Coupe, Serialized (No VIN)
Body Color
White
Car Cover
Standard, with Mopar Logo, Serialized to Car
Badging
Unique Serialized Front Badge and Side Badges
Side Fuel Door (Non functional)
Mopar Logo Chrome Door
Engine
10 Cylinder, 90 Degree V-type, Liquid Cooled, 6800 RPM
-Displacement
512 CID
-Valve System
Roller Type Hydraulic Lifters
-Induction
Fuel Injection - Multi Port Sequential, Electronic
-Crankshaft
Forged
-Pistons
Forged, Mahle
-Oil Capacity
11 Quarts
-Oil Pan
Unique to Drag Pak
-Coolant Capacity
16 Quarts
-Headers w/ Collectors
Standard
-Controller
Unique Drag Pak Calibration
-Motor Mounts
Solid Style
Transmission
SFI Approved, Drag Race Prepped 2-speed Automatic w/ Competition Shifter
Roll Control/ Line Lock
Standard, Reverse Lock Out Standard
Fuel System
Competition Style Fuel Cell w/ In-tank Pump and Braided Lines
Steering
Manual Rack and Pinion
Rear Axle
Strange, Solid Style Rear Axle, Pan Hard Bar, 9" Gear , 35 Spline, Spooled
Drive Shaft
Unique to Drag Pak
Shocks/ Struts
Strange, Double Adjustable
Brakes
Strange
Wheels
15 x 10 (Rear), 15 x 4 (Front), 5 x 4.5" Bolt Pattern, Polished Aluminum with Mopar logo
Tires
30 x 9-15" (Rear), 28-15" (Front), Radials
Interior
Complete
Front Windows
Smart Glass Polycarbonate
Instrument Panel
Lightweight w/ Mopar Switch Panel
Gauges
Std. w/ Mopar Logo: Tach w/ Shift Light, Water Temp, Oil Pressure, Trans Temp
Seats
Light Weight Front Seats with Rear Seat Delete
Weight
3,250 Pounds
NHRA Classification
Stock and Super Stock (Application in Process)
Options
-Mopar Logo Body Wrap
As Shown on Display Car
-Competition Safety Package
Includes Roll Cage, 6-Point Safety Harness and Mesh Window Net
-Body Color
Most Standard Colors Available
Notes:
* The Drag Pak is intended for supervised off-road competitive events only and is not legal for street use.
* All specifications are subject to change at any time without obligation.

[41husk]

Who knows???

[FJMG]

I thought the "Mopar 10" was an appearance package for 2010
As was the "mopar 11" and the "mopar 12" for 2012 and was available on chargers as well?

Mopar 10 = Challengers
Mopar 11 = Chargers
Mopar 12 = not sure?

Yup ponch has it right. And the Mopar 12 is apparently an appearance option on the 300.

Maybe the jeep this year?

Or the dart?

[Ponch ®]

Yup ponch has it right. And the Mopar 12 is apparently an appearance option on the 300.

Maybe the jeep this year?

Or the dart?

I just googled the mopar 12 300 and...

The 300 is kind of a "grown up" car, so that type of brash decaled out modding just doesn't look right on one. It's gotta be done more tastefully.

I like your guesses for the Mopar 13. I'd say the Jeep, but wouldnt surprise if it was the Dart either - though I don't know whod want to buy one.

[moparstuart]

surprise if it was the Dart either - though I don't know whod want to buy one.
[/quote] the SRT-4 crowd

[41husk]

I will contact my brother this weekend and see if I can get more info.

[Ghoste]

My understanding that the "Drag pack" Challengers came with a NON running Hemi that is carb'd, No rear suspension (Only a Trailer tow dolly looking thing with wagon wheels under the car to transport it), No wiring harness to engine, No air bags, NOT legal for Street use, NO HVAC system,sound deadner,etc... All this for the low, low, price of $30-$40K.


Only Professional Drag racers can even get 'em.

I've driven a V10 and a V8 Drag Pak Challenger and I can tell you that both definitely had running engines in them.  The suspension was in them but the cage was not so there was a strict warning in the cars that they were not to be hammered on.  In fact I had to sign off that the driver informed me of such and I had to make the driver who picked them up sign off.  Both were between Detroit and final destination

[mauve66]

the class they are destined for will determine the type of cage , right??

[Ghoste]

I believe so.