Biden is meeting with the NRA today, This will be interesting...............

[skip68]

You're right Dino, we don't know all the facts.     I agree with that.  We'll see what happens.  

[Dino]

You're right Dino, we don't know all the facts.     I agree with that.  We'll see what happens.  

Yeah we will, I still wouldn't worry too much either.  This is not the first time this happened.

[mrsskip68]

Great read! BTW: we have a chat area that could be used as a debate area if so desired.  There is no locking in there.  Just an idea for future debate type issues. 

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Biden is a dope and always will bem but now he's officially a creep...............




http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/04/Biden-Tells-Freshman-Democratic-Senator-To-Spread-Her-Legs

[oldgold69]

we'll have to approve it to see what's in it

[NHCharger]

What bothered me was Biden's comment that Obama is considering an executive order on this gun ban BS, which would bypass a vote by congress and become law.
As mentioned earlier Chicago has some of the strictest gun laws in the nation and look at their Murder rate for last year.
If you look at the people that committed these mass murders over the last ten to fifteen years, every one had some type of mental problem AND was on medication or had stopped taking their meds.
Timothy McVeigh KILLED 168 people including 19 children and injured over 500 with one homemade bomb. If someone is determined to commit mass murder they will find a way, even if all guns are banned.

[skip68]

Yes, the executive order can be something very upseting to most gun owners.

[JB400]

I believe Congress can overturn an executive order IF you can all get them to agree on it.

[skip68]

All I know is if he does an executive order (depending on what it is) things may get real heated real quick.   

[JB400]

I think it wouldn't get heated, I think it'd turn ugly. I hope we never find out.

[Todd Wilson]

we'll have to approve it to see what's in it

YUP!

[redmist]

first off anyone who is trying to argue for banning an object that is already %99.994 safe is a mouth breather... Just stop already, it's dumb. We don't give up our rights because %0.00317 were killed by guns. PLEASE take note that this stat includes those killed by people using a firearm for self defense. (Some of these people needed killin) Of all deaths, %68 were from guns, the rest are other stuff, hammers, fists, pushings.... you get it. ZOMG! ASSAULT RIFLE CLIP BANNANA MAGS OF DOOM GUNS!! make up only %3 of that %0.00317 yet this is the focus?

Come on folks, get real!

*But redmist, why do you need that assault gun hose bullet clip of doom? Nobody NEEDS that!!*

First off, it's a Bill of rights, not a Bill of needs.

Second off, it says I can have it, and each and everyone one of you (between the ages of 17 and 45 sorry old guys, pound sand) are part of the Unorganized Militia to this day as per 10 USC CHAPTER 13 - THE MILITIA                             01/03/2012 (112-90)
http://uscode.house.gov/download/pls/10C13.txt

" (b) The classes of the militia are -
       (1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard
     and the Naval Militia; and
       (2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of
     the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the
     Naval Militia."


So NO, Well regulated Does not mean the National Guard, we still to this day have an Unorganized Militia. Pierce Morgar, I am talking to you, put down the tea and crumpets and start reading.

*But I have to wait to buy sudafed and imported cheese, why cant you compromise on guns?*

Guess what, you lost that battle, if you were so worried about losing your cheese rights, you should have made a big deal about it when the government made it such, but you didn't so you lost it. See how that works? The fact the government is regulating Cheese.... Lightbulbs, toilets, paint, clothing, fuel, transportation, buildings, roads, electronics, transmission waves, carpet, lumber, water, rivers, lakes,... this list keeps going and going. Honestly take a look around you right now, every single object around you government has touched in some way. So yes, you lost your damn cheese. Should have joint the National Cheese Association and tried to make a difference.

*but redmist, we are not taking away your guns, you can still have one to hunt*

See that list above??  Bullshit, If they can take your damn cheese, they can for sure make a case to take our guns, so don't give me that load.

If you want to take guns away, ratify the constitution as needed and shut up about it, but until you get 2/3 of the house and the senate, and 3/4 of all the states to comply for ratification leave me the hell alone please!

Rant off.

[redmist]

As far as the Executive order, he can't issue an EO that is against the constitution. it must be attached to a Bill, The house can simply defund that bill if need be.

What he can do by EO is change importation regulations. I think this is what you are going to see happen. So no more Mil-Surp  Ammo, or imported magazines, pistols, shotguns, and the likes.

[Mike DC]

            
             
The forces that control our society don't give a flying f*ck about the public having guns.  Seriously.  It's like abortion, mainly used as a wedge issue.  Those in power might restrict something in an attempt to appease somebody or buy votes.  But not because they have any fear of an armed public.  


What are we gonna do with a bunch of pistols & rifles?  Form local militias and overthrow the govt like the 2nd amendment intended?  Right.  The local militias are short a few stealth planes, nuclear weapons, and spy satellites.  We still have 2nd amendment rights because armed individuals ceased to be a military threat a century ago.

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We will basically retain our gun rights until some huge corporation/industry gets financially motivated to take them away.  Then we will lose everything no matter how much we fight it.

 

[kab69440]

As far as the Executive order, he can't issue an EO that is against the constitution. it must be attached to a Bill, The house can simply defund that bill if need be.

What he can do by EO is change importation regulations. I think this is what you are going to see happen. So no more Mil-Surp  Ammo, or imported magazines, pistols, shotguns, and the likes.

Every single piece if gun control legislation that has been passed so far goes against the Constitution. Income taxes were deemed illegal, yet we pay them every week.  The laundry list of illegal laws in this country knows no end. No one in Washington gives a crap about the Constitution and they need to answer for it.

[sunfire69]

I guess the media over looked this....it's no fun when an honest person uses a gun to stop a gunman...I know it's an old story...but fact is this approch works...until there is a fundemental shift in the mentality of this generation we are forced to defend ourselves more and more...

http://tnsmartgirl.com/2013/01/06/school-shooting-in-tennessee-that-national-media-did-not-report/

[lisiecki1]

           
             
The forces that control our society don't give a flying f*ck about the public having guns.  Seriously.  It's like abortion, mainly used as a wedge issue.  Those in power might restrict something in an attempt to appease somebody or buy votes.  But not because they have any fear of an armed public.  


What are we gonna do with a bunch of pistols & rifles?  Form local militias and overthrow the govt like the 2nd amendment intended?  Right.  The local militias are short a few stealth planes, nuclear weapons, and spy satellites.  We still have 2nd amendment rights because armed individuals ceased to be a military threat a century ago. I'll see your bad ass military and raise you a bunch of goat herders living in caves and a whole slew of people of asian decent living in tunnels.  There is a lot of power in the simple idea of believing in what you are fighting for.

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We will basically retain our gun rights until some huge corporation/industry gets financially motivated to take them away.  Then we will lose everything no matter how much we fight it.

 

[skip68]

Let's not forget that this militia will have millions of members already in the government and armed services.   Hypothetical of course.   

[HPP]

112,000 people in the US die every year as a result of chronic issues of obesity. Yet somehow I never hear about anyone suggesting we ban hamburgers.

By comparison, depending on the source, around 30,000 in the US die annually from gunshot wounds, whether it be homocide, suicide, or accidents, and the vast majority of those are suicides.

With those figures, you are 26% more likely to die from hamburgers than a gunshot. The problem is death by hamburger is slow and takes decades so no one pays attention to it. Guns only take a second, are loud, and frightening to teh uneducated. They get lots of attention.

[Cooter]

112,000 people in the US die every year as a result of chronic issues of obesity. Yet somehow I never hear about anyone suggesting we ban hamburgers.
By comparison, depending on the source, around 30,000 in the US die annually from gunshot wounds, whether it be homocide, suicide, or accidents, and the vast majority of those are suicides.
With those figures, you are 26% more likely to die from hamburgers than a gunshot. The problem is death by hamburger is slow and takes decades so no one pays attention to it. Guns only take a second, are loud, and frightening to teh uneducated. They get lots of attention.

Agreed...
Only if Toddlers died from hamburgers and suicide, would there be a knee jerk ban....And even at that, these are still done by choice. Now if a Hamburger came running down the street and ran over toddlers, that would be different of course.

[Mike DC]

I'll see your bad ass military and raise you a bunch of goat herders living in caves and a whole slew of people of asian decent living in tunnels.  There is a lot of power in the simple idea of believing in what you are fighting for.

The goat herders living in caves only killed a few thousand people.  And they got vast majority of those deaths by dumb luck.  It was public knowledge that the WTC buildings were originally engineered not to fall from airliner strikes.  There was no reason for Bin Laden to think the plane strikes would bring them down like that.  

If you count the number of deaths that Bin Laden could have reasonably expected to cause with that plan, it's in the hundreds.  Not exactly a force to overthrow the US govt with.  I think something like a thousand Americans have died from lighting in storms during the last 10 years.    



I'll grant you that SE Asia caused us some real trouble.  But I still don't think that situation is very comparable to civil unrest in the USA.

[Troy]

112,000 people in the US die every year as a result of chronic issues of obesity. Yet somehow I never hear about anyone suggesting we ban hamburgers.

By comparison, depending on the source, around 30,000 in the US die annually from gunshot wounds, whether it be homocide, suicide, or accidents, and the vast majority of those are suicides.

With those figures, you are 26% more likely to die from hamburgers than a gunshot. The problem is death by hamburger is slow and takes decades so no one pays attention to it. Guns only take a second, are loud, and frightening to teh uneducated. They get lots of attention.

To clarify, it looks like your math is wrong: you are 4 times (400%) more likely to die from hamburgers - more if you include choking (26% would only be about 37,800 hamburger deaths).

There are just under 4 million people born each year in this country. How many of them become mass murderers (guns or otherwise)?

Troy

[skip68]

This many Troy.....    .ooooo5%

[bull]

Biden is a dope and always will bem but now he's officially a creep...............




http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/01/04/Biden-Tells-Freshman-Democratic-Senator-To-Spread-Her-Legs

Creeper Joe? Yea, that's what these guys were thinking too. It's pretty bad when you can freak a biker out.

[HPP]

To clarify, it looks like your math is wrong: you are 4 times (400%) more likely to die from hamburgers - more if you include choking (26% would only be about 37,800 hamburger deaths).

There are just under 4 million people born each year in this country. How many of them become mass murderers (guns or otherwise)?

Troy

Thank you for the correction.

Creeper Joe? Yea, that's what these guys were thinking too. It's pretty bad when you can freak a biker out.

yeah, goes right along with his blatent oogling and snide remarks in congress.