W.i.w. 4 speed out of a ???

[Lennard]

Here we go again guys, another what's it worth question.  I've used the search option but did not find any useable info.
I can buy a 4 speed trans including 440 bellhousing out of a '68 Charger. It's been collecting dust in his shed for about 15 years and the guy is asking $600 but is willing to negotiate, what is a fair price?
Thanks in advance, Lennard

[skip68]

$400 range   

[Rolling_Thunder]

for an unknown 23 spline 4-speed = ~$300

BB Bellhousing = ~$150-$200

Depending how complete it is - Figure another $100-$150 for shifter, rods, and handle (all used)

So I would say a rough fair price would be ~$400 for transmission and bellhousing

Its worth about $500 with shifter

[rt green]

i think thas about right.  count the teeth on the imput shaft. be nice if it was an 18 spline but a 23 would do. i spent 200. on an overdrive a-833 out of a chevy pick up that i have not thought about using yet. i might sell you that.

[kab69440]

If it's an 18 spline with B bell throw the cash at him and run.

[Dans 68]

If an 18 spline (re. "Hemi" 4-speed transmission) grab it asap. If a 23 spline, $600 would be a bit high. Rolling Thunder has it right. Either way grab the "numbers" off of the raised pad and send them to me for my "records".    It is either one of the 4-speed R/T's or one of the rarer 4-speed XP's.

Dan

[Daytona R/T SE]

If it's an 18 spline with B bell throw the cash at him and run.

And giggle all the way home 'cause you just stole it.

Be sure to check to see that the "nub" end of the input shaft hasn't been sawed off by some chevy guy.

[1974dodgecharger]

Ya crack me up....

[bull]

If it's an 18 spline with B bell throw the cash at him and run.

But when you run, make sure you're carrying the transmission.

[kab69440]

You won't run far with it. Especially if there's an iron bell on it. That much I guarantee you. Best to have it already loaded when you run for the truck...

[Lennard]

Thanks for the replies guys, much appreciated.  
I called the seller and he forgot to count the splines so he will do that tomorrow but the numbers on the trans are according to him:

H399129
OE105795
PP8332904-0080

[Dans 68]

Based upon the date code (2904 - 10,000 year calendar) the transmission was assembled July 11, 1969, and was the 80th unit made that day. The partial vin (s/b "0B105795") denotes a 1970 model year PP833 4-speed unit built for a Hamtramct plant assembled car. So, not a '68 tranny. Lets hope it is an 18-spline unit!  

Dan

[skip68]

You the man Dan.   

[Cooter]

Won't touch an a833 round these parts for under $600 with shifter and bell...18 spline? Forget it. $1500 and up.

[Lennard]

Based upon the date code (2904 - 10,000 year calendar) the transmission was assembled July 11, 1969, and was the 80th unit made that day. The partial vin (s/b "0B105795") denotes a 1970 model year PP833 4-speed unit built for a Hamtramct plant assembled car. So, not a '68 tranny. Lets hope it is an 18-spline unit!  
Dan

Thank you very much Dan, I called the seller tonight and it is a 23 spline. I'm going to pick it up tomorrow for $450.
Maybe not the deal of the week but they don't show up that often in my neck of the woods.
So is there any difference between a '68-'69 or a '70 833 four speed?

[kab69440]

70 should be old style. I believe 71 was the first year for the ones sourced from New Process Gear. If memory serves, the 70 uses a different crossmember than previous years.

[Rolling_Thunder]

1970 uses a different crossmemeber....        other than that there is nothing much different

[Beep Beep Dave]

The 70 unit will also have shifter pads for both e&b-bodies.
I think you got a very fair deal. Hopefully the tranny is just a bolt in and go.

Dave

[Lennard]

Thanks for the replies again guys, I picked it up today and here are some pics.
The E on the pad is really an E and not a B.





number on bellhousing:

[Old Moparz]

Not sure if this little bit of info helps, but when I was looking for a bell housing for my 23 spline for my '70 Road Runner with a 440 I was told by Passon Performance that the 1970 aluminum bell was a one year only item & hard to find. I found a couple of overpriced ones online that were damaged so I gave up looking & went with a scatter shield instead. I can't remember any more than that, maybe someone else on here can be more detailed with a reason or explanation.  

[Lennard]

Thanks for the info Bob, my bellhousing is made from steel though.

[Alaskan_TA]

OE105795

LA made A, B & E  bodies for the 1970 model year. (no Chargers though)

If it has one shifter pad mount it is from an A-body.

[Troy]

That bell housing is a 10.5" for a big block - but not from an E-body. It looks like it has the long tail shaft for a B/E-body.

Does the shaft wobble at all? Can you shift it easily? Half the time people want $200+ for worn out 23 splines with no extras. I think you did OK - especially if you don't need to rebuild it.

Troy

[Lennard]

OE105795

LA made A, B & E  bodies for the 1970 model year. (no Chargers though)
If it has one shifter pad mount it is from an A-body.

It has 2 shifter mount pads.
Troy, the shaft has a little play if that's what you mean. I don't know if it shifts easily because I have nothing to shift with.

[68CoronetRT]

Not to hijack your thread, but I feel my question is along the lines of this trans.

What would be a reasonable price to have this transmission gone through and rebuilt? Does anyone make a rebuilt kit for these?

[Troy]

Brewers charges $250 labor to rebuild any of them (18 or 23 spline). There's about $200 in replaceable parts (seals, bearings, etc.), about $30 in gear lube, plus anything broken/worn. I spent just over $1,100 rebuilding my 18 spline last year but that's partially because 2nd gear was "hammered" (their words) and I needed a whole new gear and syncro.

You don't need a shifter to shift it. However, be sure you're spinning the input shaft before randomly flipping the gear levers. The shifter only shifts one lever at a time. You should pull the cover to inspect the gears as well. Be careful because the forks will likely fall and getting it back together is all kinds of fun!

Troy

[Rolling_Thunder]

you can source everything you need from Passon or Brewers....     the rebuild kit usually includes needle bearings, front and rear main bearings, snap rings, tailshaft bushing, and gaskets...       


I typically charge $250 + parts for rebuilding. but that's just me....       

[six-tee-nine]

Won't touch an a833 round these parts for under $600 with shifter and bell...18 spline? Forget it. $1500 and up.

I payed $ 800 for a 18 spline unit 3 years ago. 69 unit with the single shifter pad. No rods or shifter. Great shape but needs new seals. I payed another  $300 for a correct 69 bell for a bb with 143 tooth flywheel.

[Rolling_Thunder]

I scored a disassembled 18 spline (1970 transmission) for $200 about 2 years ago -  assembled it and sold it for $1000   

[Old Moparz]

In the early 80's a friend of mine sold off his 1st generation Charger & had some parts in his shed. I stopped by his place one day while he was cleaning out his shed & he asked me if I wanted the parts he no longer needed. He had a cast iron 440-4V intake, an 18 spline four speed with the bell housing from a 1971 GTX & a few other things that I can't remember. He gave me all of it for $25.  

I had 2 automatic cars at the time so I sold the four speed & bell for $125 at Englishtown a year later & kept the intake since I needed one.

The going price for an 18 spline core back then was about $150 which was a lot.  

[Lennard]

So is there anyone that can tell me where this trans/bellhousing came out of and if it will fit/work in a '68 Charger with a 440?

[red69superbee]

theres a guy here in my town that says he has an 18 spline tranny out of a 69 roadrunner, wants 800 bucks for it

[Rolling_Thunder]

Bellhousing    2468370 is a A833 bellhousing from a 1966 B / C Body application with a 361 or 383 ---  in short yes...   it'll work with your 440 as long as you use a 130 tooth flywheel and 10.5" clutch.  

[Lennard]

Thanks for the info Alex.
I opened the case today and the inside looks good and everything moves freely so can I assume it does not need to be overhauled?

[XH29N0G]

Came late to this thread, and gather it has been already addressed with the E v B stamping.  The shifter mounts on the forward of the two mounting points for the B body and the rear one for E body, right, meaning that the linkage would be different, but the trans (and shifter?)shouldn't have a problem whichever body they fit into.  I don't have any idea about the bell housing.