Is this a HLPAG car?

[PlainfieldCharger]

I have a saying..."Triangulate your information" this was how I found this site. It wasn't one thread that helped me make a "no buy" decision from HLPAG it was many on this forum and others...but mostly this forum :cheers:Thanks DC.com

[Cooter]

No, I wasn't trying to see how you respond because you responded pretty much exactly as I thought you would.  FWIW, i think you're missing my point at least as much or more than i am missing yours.  You think its the victims fault?  Great, whatever.  No one is asking or expecting you to be the "collector car police".  By the same token, calling someone a tard and declaring they deserved to get screwed for not following your rules of smart purchase seems somewhat "ignorant" in another way.

Not really... No matter, there will always be thieves and suckers, just like there will always be those who think the idiot/suckers shouldn't have any personal responsibility and are not to blame for their stupidity.  

[gers1968rt]

I just checked out the guys feedback as a seller, not too good, no surprising.

[Ghoste]

Wow.

[1974dodgecharger]

Did u ever tell him what he could of done with a extra 10k?  That's why I don't want to get ripped off knowing I could spend the money on upgrades,

One time I purchased a car without seeing it in person and it was a POS.  NEVER will I ever do this ever again.   Unfortunately, there are A LOT of people that will buy something without knowing what the hell they are doing. I friend of mine just did this on a Chevelle. I asked him why on earth didn't he call me, and he said "the car was the color and price range he wanted".  He over spent by about $10k on it, but at the end of the day, he is still happy with the decision.  Each to their own...

I hope that all the dealer/builders that are mentioned above, get what they deserve by screwing people.

[bill440rt]

I don't get it. 
So, we're NOT supposed to help others who are entering this hobby? Or those who may or may not know a good deal from a bad deal or just plain need advice?
Jeez, if that's the case I would have said screw it a long, long time ago. 

[jb666]

I don't get it. 
So, we're NOT supposed to help others who are entering this hobby? Or those who may or may not know a good deal from a bad deal or just plain need advice?
Jeez, if that's the case I would have said screw it a long, long time ago. 

Bill - It's people like YOU who make this hobby a fun one. You don't judge, and you don't put yourself on a thrown over anyone else. Part of the reason for this forum (aside from CHARGER owners to gather and discuss CHARGERS) is to watch out for one another, and this is no different. Scammers like this, selling rust bucket and JUNK like HPIG , BK Auto, or who ever else is out there will only be stopped when people pass the word around.

I bought from an out of state (DC.CLM forum member) who came highly recommended, and I still got burned. It happens. But, if it can be prevented by all means DO IT!!

[polywideblock]

from this new guy to all you old timers thanks for the advice. how are you supposed to get educated if you don't ask stupid Q's .was once told there are no stupid Q's !if you don't ask you don't get told Phil

[squeakfinder]

I have a saying..."Triangulate your information" this was how I found this site. It wasn't one thread that helped me make a "no buy" decision from HLPAG it was many on this forum and others...but mostly this forum :cheers:Thanks DC.com

Good. The forum works. People who got taken at least had the courage to come on here and let us know who the crooks are. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage anyone from telling there story's by calling the ones that did stupid retarded suckers.

[STIG]

On a side note; this car (link below) has been up and down (each time a new account lists it) and we were nearly scammed out of 27k once (if it wasn't for my master detective skills lol - saying that because we've never come across any scammers before and through eBay, first time looking, we assumed such an established site had only genuine listings/scanning processes, especially through expensive items like vehicles). Very, very close. I don't know how eBay allows this ad to keep being re-listed, it's a scammer and I'm sure has conned many people out of money over the years. Firstly, the buyer contract he sent wasn't anywhere to be seen on my eBay account when it was all laid out like a genuine eBay one, he refused to do a fixed price offer for me (to avoid potential of scam), he said we couldn't speak via phone as he had a speech impediment and his wife was away, the car was meant to be in Indiana (when the contract said to make payment to some random company/person in New York), and after some Google Earth searching, the supposed address of the vehicle was completely different to the house shown in photos (even though I specifically asked if the car was at that house' residence) - after confronting him he went on a rant saying how I'm the scammer, blah, blah. I contacted eBay on numerous occasions, each time being put through to the Philippine call centre, and being told that I'm in the wrong? What a joke.

Thought I'd let everyone know anyway  

Here's the car:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Charger-RT-/181053471046?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a27a0b946#ht_500wt_1182

[JB400]

Thanks for letting us all know.  The word will definitely spread

[STIG]

No worries, it would be gut-wrenching if someone was scammed out of their hard earned cash they had been saving up, only to have someone take it all away in seconds. Sure, it's easy enough to say people should do their research first, but in some situations like this (especially the less computer savy individuals), it's too easy to get caught up in these scams.

Relating to the topic now: Oh, HLPAG, that listing was actually the first General Lee we ever looked at purchasing (knowing nothing about HLPAG) and I gave him a call... he told me 23k for one and I said I'd get back to him. Wow, was that a mistake or what. In that time frame I had found out about his company and never got back to him obviously... call, after call, after call, after call for nearly 6 months - he wouldn't stop ringing asking when we wanted him to start building one for us and got very crappy when I said we weren't interested (although only calling to enquire about one in the first place!).

[440]

Dynamic auto was the same, kept hounding me to buy a car from them. After seeing the pictures, which you can see in the link from lennard, I didn't want anything to do with them.

Make sure you do your homework.

[UH60L]

Since we are on the topic of "builder" companies that sell cars, has anyone dealt with the one up in Washington? (I think the name is "Smith Brothers")

I have not looked them up in a long time, but remember reading about them several years ago.  Are they reputable?  As I recall they were kinda spendy depending on what you had them do (standard charger resto, gen lee, etc etc).

I was thinking about buying parts from them at one point, but never did......(ran out of money...)

[JB400]

I haven't heard anything bad about them.  I'm one that would be interested on hearing about them as well.

[STIG]

They are apparently the most reputable/accurate General Lee builders in the world (as they have the original TV series mechanics helping them out and also bought the Warner Bros. blueprints outright for the original specs of the cars). They start at 74k & up for a General build.

[1974dodgecharger]

They are apparently the most reputable/accurate General Lee builders in the world (as they have the original TV series mechanics helping them out and also bought the Warner Bros. blueprints outright for the original specs of the cars). They start at 74k & up for a General build.

HLPAG said the same thing how they charge minimal 75k plus to build a GL and can be 150k for a premium build up though they never claimed anything about being access to WB.

[STIG]

^ LOL. That HLPAG guy... what a character.

[440]

Oops, referenced wrong thread..... Here's pictures of cars from Dynamic auto.

http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,84877.0.html

[skip68]

Smith bros are a better builder.   

[Mike DC]

    
I don't keep up with pricing issues but the Smith Brothers are honest.  And they know more about the details of the old TV prop cars than anyone else you might hire for the job.  


Quality and accuracy are two different things.  Some people just want a quality GL replica, others want a really accurate one.  Can you tell the Warner Bros GLs apart between season#3 and season #5?  Etc.  The Smiths are not the only way to get a quality GL done but they are more accurate than the local body shop.  The best deal for a GL build depends partly on what you want from it. 

 

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

On a side note; this car (link below) has been up and down (each time a new account lists it) and we were nearly scammed out of 27k once (if it wasn't for my master detective skills lol - saying that because we've never come across any scammers before and through eBay, first time looking, we assumed such an established site had only genuine listings/scanning processes, especially through expensive items like vehicles). Very, very close. I don't know how eBay allows this ad to keep being re-listed, it's a scammer and I'm sure has conned many people out of money over the years. Firstly, the buyer contract he sent wasn't anywhere to be seen on my eBay account when it was all laid out like a genuine eBay one, he refused to do a fixed price offer for me (to avoid potential of scam), he said we couldn't speak via phone as he had a speech impediment and his wife was away, the car was meant to be in Indiana (when the contract said to make payment to some random company/person in New York), and after some Google Earth searching, the supposed address of the vehicle was completely different to the house shown in photos (even though I specifically asked if the car was at that house' residence) - after confronting him he went on a rant saying how I'm the scammer, blah, blah. I contacted eBay on numerous occasions, each time being put through to the Philippine call centre, and being told that I'm in the wrong? What a joke.

Thought I'd let everyone know anyway  

Here's the car:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Charger-RT-/181053471046?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a27a0b946#ht_500wt_1182

After "reporting" that car a 1/2 doz times, I've given up. eBay doesn't care, IMO.

[XS29L9Bxxxxxx]

They are apparently the most reputable/accurate General Lee builders in the world (as they have the original TV series mechanics helping them out and also bought the Warner Bros. blueprints outright for the original specs of the cars). They start at 74k & up for a General build.

HLPAG said the same thing how they charge minimal 75k plus to build a GL and can be 150k for a premium build up though they never claimed anything about being access to WB.

$75k - $150k, really??? I have a fraction of that in ours, and it's nicer than any of those I've seen on fleaBay

[Cooter]

Good. The forum works. People who got taken at least had the courage to come on here and let us know who the crooks are. I certainly wouldn't want to discourage anyone from telling there story's by calling the ones that did stupid retarded suckers.

Obviously, you don't understand. Lemme see if I can help you. The ones that are IMO, considered "Stupid" are the ones that DO NOT DO THEIR RESEARCH AND IMPULSE BUY....If it sounds to good to be true, it USUALLY IS! There are NO Screamin' deals on restored cars anymore. Almost ALL of them are repainted junk unless you know the restorer. Period. You buy without looking at the car with a reputable perosn with you in PERSON, you are, well.......You know. (BTW: I think you meant "Their" story's).


I simply don't like to see the "Baited" threads where a Charger is posted for sale only to see it crucified by so called "Police" here. I like to think people are smart enough to do their research when looking to buy said Charger. Not seeing every single one posted here simply to get the "police" started on their ripping/bashing of said car. I post fifty "baited" threads about Orange Chargers and it's frowned upon....These posts get posted and everybody seems to love it. Drama is drama. Please try and understand the difference.

[Cooter]

On a side note; this car (link below) has been up and down (each time a new account lists it) and we were nearly scammed out of 27k once (if it wasn't for my master detective skills lol - saying that because we've never come across any scammers before and through eBay, first time looking, we assumed such an established site had only genuine listings/scanning processes, especially through expensive items like vehicles). Very, very close. I don't know how eBay allows this ad to keep being re-listed, it's a scammer and I'm sure has conned many people out of money over the years. Firstly, the buyer contract he sent wasn't anywhere to be seen on my eBay account when it was all laid out like a genuine eBay one, he refused to do a fixed price offer for me (to avoid potential of scam), he said we couldn't speak via phone as he had a speech impediment and his wife was away, the car was meant to be in Indiana (when the contract said to make payment to some random company/person in New York), and after some Google Earth searching, the supposed address of the vehicle was completely different to the house shown in photos (even though I specifically asked if the car was at that house' residence) - after confronting him he went on a rant saying how I'm the scammer, blah, blah. I contacted eBay on numerous occasions, each time being put through to the Philippine call centre, and being told that I'm in the wrong? What a joke.

Thought I'd let everyone know anyway  

Here's the car:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1969-Dodge-Charger-RT-/181053471046?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a27a0b946#ht_500wt_1182

After "reporting" that car a 1/2 doz times, I've given up. eBay doesn't care, IMO.

And after all that, What did you accomplish? See what I mean? Buyer beware...You can't police every person that really wants to get hooked in on a scam. Leave most of the restored Chargers on EvilBay Alone period.
If anybody has any sense at all, they will DO THEIR RESEARCH and come HERE, DO A SEARCH, FIND THESE THREADS, and be done with Hilpag. I don't think it has anything to do with "Protecting" the buyer at all. IMO, it has to do with the personal Satifaction of saying one actually accomplished something by taking out a scammer....Guess what? Tomorrow, they will be back under a different name selling the same cars again, and again,and again...You stop nothing.

This only seems to be a problem with the buyers looking to buy a Charger/Coronet/etc. already done and bypass the Bullsh*t of having to restore the car themselves.
I guess this is where I kinda have an advantage. I only by junk and put it back together myself (As most scammers aren't trying to make bank off rusty shells only restored cars),so I don't have to put up with the scammers I know are out there doing this very thing. Maybe this will be the turning point for people to begin their own resto work???

Antique cars being sold restored on EvilBay will be like the Email you get about the King's daughter who a fortune in the USA banks and asks only of you to send her money. You watch...The scammers have figured out that the buying public buys with their hearts and emotions when it comes ot these cars and are easy targets.