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Anyone ever seen this before?

Started by hotrod98, January 10, 2013, 11:53:31 PM

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hotrod98

A friend of mine was visiting the shop today and noticed some strange marks on a Daytona wing that we've stripped.  There are two of these marks on the outside and two on the inside on both uprights. I've never noticed this before on any wing.


Normal is an illusion. What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly.
Charles Addams

nascarxx29

Ive seen those marks before on a nascar wing
1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

A383Wing


Dans 68

I'll play.  ;)  I'm guessing that as these marks are on opposite sides of the vertical stabilizer (a guess), and that as the vertical stabilizer is hollow (correct?) the marks are the residual set apart tooling fasteners that were used to establish the gap between the two vertical halves of the stabilizer. Once in the jig the stabilizer would be welded up and the entire stabilizer surface ground to the required finished shape. There appears to be no rotational orientation to the marks. Just a guess....   :scratchchin:

Dan
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hemigeno

They were on my (stock) wing too IIRC.

Vestiges from the casting process??   :shruggy:

cdr

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WINGIN IT


Perhaps that's the mark left after it got its smallpox vaccination ...  :lol:

moparstuart

Quote from: WINGIN IT on January 11, 2013, 12:54:30 PM

Perhaps that's the mark left after it got its smallpox vaccination ...  :lol:
:yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: :yesnod: i got one of those on my shoulder
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hemigeno

Quote from: hemigeno on January 11, 2013, 12:00:46 PM
They were on my (stock) wing too IIRC.



Found the pic I was looking for...


moparstuart

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DC_1

Probably ejector pin marks from the tool. After they are cast and the tool opens up there is action that releases the part.

hotrod98

The marks on the outside don't line up with the marks on the inside. And, they don't all have the smallpox vaccine look. The Superbird wing that we just finished a few months back didn't have these marks. Would love to have seen these poured back in the day. I'm sure it has something to do with the casting process.
Were the wings poured as two seperate parts and then welded together?


Normal is an illusion. What is normal for the spider is chaos for the fly.
Charles Addams

DC_1

This is a injection mould example but its the same idea.

The ejectors release the part after moulding or casting


odcics2

DC-93  (the #88 Daytona)  has them.  
The uprights are sand cast.



 
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?

DC_1

In sand casting there are something called "Chaplets" that support the core if the casting is hollow. This could be remnants of those 

Beep Beep Dave

Quote from: DC_1(formerly Sydmoe) on January 11, 2013, 04:51:16 PM
In sand casting there are something called "Chaplets" that support the core if the casting is hollow. This could be remnants of those 

I worked in an iron foundry for 11 years....thats what it looks like to me too!

Dave
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Daytona Guy

Quote from: Beep Beep Dave on January 11, 2013, 07:24:24 PM
Quote from: DC_1(formerly Sydmoe) on January 11, 2013, 04:51:16 PM
In sand casting there are something called "Chaplets" that support the core if the casting is hollow. This could be remnants of those 

I worked in an iron foundry for 11 years....thats what it looks like to me too!

Dave
Yes and it should be inlayed and may not be aluminum - if not another blend of aluminum. I can show this to my foundry guy.

Dane

Davtona

Quote from: DC_1(formerly Sydmoe) on January 11, 2013, 04:51:16 PM
In sand casting there are something called "Chaplets" that support the core if the casting is hollow. This could be remnants of those 

:iagree:

nascarxx29

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1969 R4 Daytona XX29L9B410772
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23UOA174597
1970 FY1 Superbird RM23UOA166242
1970 EV2 Superbird RM23VOA179697
1968 426 Road Runner RM21J8A134509
1970 Coronet RT WS23UOA224126
1970 Daytona Clone XP29GOG178701

odcics2

Quote from: hotrod98 on January 10, 2013, 11:53:31 PM
A friend of mine was visiting the shop today and noticed some strange marks on a Daytona wing that we've stripped.  There are two of these marks on the outside and two on the inside on both uprights. I've never noticed this before on any wing.


How many original Daytona wings have you seen?    Maybe there is differences when they were produced?   :shruggy:

Some horizontal stabilizers are solid and some hollow.   Could be more of the same...   :Twocents:
I've never owned anything but a MoPar. Can you say that?