Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated

[A34]

Maybe this is one of the reasons my Hemi Ram has so many problems:


Chrysler workers who were fired or suspended two years ago after a MyFoxDetroit investigation found them drinking and goofing off during lunch break are back on the job.

MyFoxDetroit first aired the footage of the Chrysler workers in September 2010. Video showed them in a park during the work day, drinking alcohol from bottles covered in brown paper bags and smoking what appeared to be marijuana.

With the auto giant having recently received a federal taxpayer bailout, and President Obama having visited the plant where the employees worked just months earlier, Chrysler appeared to take a zero-tolerance attitude. The company fired 13 workers, and suspended two.

But MyFoxDetroit reports that following a union-backed arbitration process, the employees were reinstated. This week, they came back to work.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/08/chrysler-workers-canned-for-drinking-on-job-reinstated/?test=latestnews#ixzz2EZg8jt7P

[TheGhost]

Good job, unions!  I love driving cars built buy drunk and/or stoned people!

[Ghoste]

I'm not going to read the story because it'll only piss me off.  I'm guessing though that they also got all of their back pay too?

[68X426]

Reefer Madness - Imported from Detroit - Obama Bailout - Union Made - Reefer Madness.

Just the circle of life. 

[Cooter]

I'm not going to read the story because it'll only piss me off.  I'm guessing though that they also got all of their back pay too?

And folks wonder why Detroit is going downhill. Unions have ruined this country.

[Ghoste]

I did finally read the story and it didn't indicate if they got back pay but there would be an excellent chance they did.  It went to arbitration and the arbitrator ruled in favor of the poor unfairly dealt with employees.  It's just really really sad.

[Cooter]

I've said i before, and I'll say it again.....

Some folks you can tell one time and they listen, Other folks can be standing on the track, hear the whistle blowing, feel the rails shaking, be told to "Get off track, train is coming", and they have to be hit by that train before they understand.....


Dear Detroit, "Train is a comin"...

[bakerhillpins]

I'm not going to read the story because it'll only piss me off.  I'm guessing though that they also got all of their back pay too?

And folks wonder why Detroit is going downhill. Unions have ruined this country.

on both points!   

[chargerboy69]

The Blaze had this website listed yesterday for their amazing pictures of Detroit.  Very cool to see the now and then.



http://detroiturbex.com/index.html

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/the-breathtaking-then-and-now-photos-of-an-abandoned-detroit-high-school/

[chargerboy69]

Video from earlier today.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_F3oev06i0

[stripedelete]

I'm not condoning the Chrysler workers behavior or agreeing with the final outcome.  But, I don't get the current anti-union outrage in this country.  The unions are toothless compared to 30-40 years ago.   Especially the UAW.

IMO, it's a witch hunt to distract us from noticing a bought-and-paid-for government which IS responsible for demise of our country.

Stop drinking the FOX News Kool-Aid before it's too late.   



   

[bakerhillpins]

Witch hunts aside, the outrage expressed here, at least from my point of view, isn't directed at the concept of a union but rather their rather frequently displayed poor judgment. This is just happens to be a prime example. Protecting this type of behavior does nothing but undermine their position with me. It's ridiculous to think that these individuals were reinstated into their previous position.  Unions were supposed to be about protecting the worker from poor treatment from large corporations, not keeping individuals in positions when they don't display an acceptable work ethic.   And yes, there is plenty of the same garbage going on in the Govt to.

[Mike DC]

 
           


America IS a union.  We call our demands human/citizen rights.  


Foreign outsourcing & illegal immigrants are basically just methods of avoiding the higher-priced "union labor" here.    

[skip68]

Unions are started with good intentions just like H.O.A's but we all know how they end up.   The union needs everybody working, that's how they make money.   

[68X426]

Very clear dividing line here - pride in work versus union mentality. Sober versus stoned.

If their job is that shitty that they have no pride and want to be high, then why fight to get the sucky job back from the Man? The union just enables the continuing slide of America to irrelevance.

That's the outrage.

What's kool-aid got to do with underperforming when on the job?

Lock this one down whenever you want. 

[1974dodgecharger]

unions have had their time and place and now society has taken advantage of being with a union.  They may do more harm than good since we only report the harm union does, but does not report the hoenst folks who do get canned for no reason.

[Ghoste]

All of those things are no doubt true but the simple fact in this case is that these workers were caught on camera doing this and the union fought for two years to get their jobs back.  PERIOD!!  I get angry when I hear people run down the American auto industry and here are these guys providing ammunition for the other point of view.

[Cooter]

All of those things are no doubt true but the simple fact in this case is that these workers were caught on camera doing this and the union fought for two years to get their jobs back.  PERIOD!!  I get angry when I hear people run down the American auto industry and here are these guys providing ammunition for the other point of view.

Kinda hard to vote Pro Union, when after all these years of protection and high paying, "I can't get fired", cushy jobs, and they do something like this and the UNION gets their jobs back....

I have NEVER worked for a union. I have been sh*tcanned for no reason as your employer doesn't have to give one. I have to give at least two weeks notice to keep myself from gettin f*cked by my previous employer for screwing ME OVER?!?!(Once, I worked for a guy who bounced my paycheck 21 times...And like a fool, I stayed with him hoping against hope)....

Yet, these guys can be reinstated...

[stripedelete]

I'm not condoning the Chrysler workers behavior or agreeing with the final outcome.    

I grew up in a county with 2 Ford plants, 1 GM plant and the 2ND largest steel mill in the country.  The Chrysler story is chicken $@!t compared to the stuff that used to go on when the unions had real power.  The Chrysler worker situation is an anomaly compared to the status quo that it very much used to be.

Two of the plants have since closed.  Due in VERY large part to the union.   In fact, the GM plant was slated to become the Original Saturn plant, but, the plans changed due DIRECTLY to union behavior.   The Local at the Ford plant was known to be the worst in the country.  Ford was happy to shut it down.  

The unions have pretty much figured out who's shooting them in the foot.  They are arguably a shell of what they used to be.  Why are they suddenly wrecking the country?  So, what is all the anti-union fervor over the last couple years about?  Where was it two or three decades ago when it had some relevance.

Face it, if Gretchen and the other two stooges are harping on it every day you know there's someone, somewhere, with a financial interest in the outcome, who, by the way, does not give a crap about this country .

[bakerhillpins]

I'm not condoning the Chrysler workers behavior or agreeing with the final outcome.    

I grew up in a county with 2 Ford plants, 1 GM plant and the 2ND largest steel mill in the country.  The Chrysler story is chicken $@!t compared to the stuff that used to go on when the unions had real power.  The Chrysler worker situation is an anomaly compared to the status quo that it very much used to be.

Two of the plants have since closed.  Due in VERY large part to the union.   In fact, the GM plant was slated to become the Original Saturn plant, but, the plans changed due DIRECTLY to union behavior.   The Local at the Ford plant was known to be the worst in the country.  Ford was happy to shut it down.  

The unions have pretty much figured out who's shooting them in the foot.  They are arguably a shell of what they used to be.  Why are they suddenly wrecking the country?  So, what is all the anti-union fervor over the last couple years about?  Where was it two or three decades ago when it had some relevance.

Face it, if Gretchen and the other two stooges are harping on it every day you know there's someone, somewhere, with a financial interest in the outcome, who, by the way, does not give a crap about this country .

I hear you, and it seems that we are saying the same thing. It's been a problem for a long time, maybe the hoopla now because some of the big unions are feeling the pinch and the corps see an opportunity? 

[Ghoste]

Face it, if Gretchen and the other two stooges are harping on it every day you know there's someone, somewhere, with a financial interest in the outcome, who, by the way, does not give a crap about this country .

It isn't Fox News that broke the story it was a local Detroit station that is a Fox affiliate.   I don't know if Gretchen has said anything about it or not though.

[A34]

Alot of good points above on both sides of the coin. Another element I don't think has been discussed here is, why as a customer should I suffer? How do I know that I didn't buy a vehicle these guys worked on and hence some of the problems denied by warranty actually are the fault of the manufacturer? That doubt in the mind of a consumer undermines the value of the brand. Chrysler has had a very bad reputation for years. I can't tell you how many people that have told me they wouldn't own one based on perceived poor quality or owned a car that was a "lemon". Especially, the transmission debacle of the late '80's, early 90's.

Personally, I've been messing with Mopars since '82 and my experience with Chrysler corporation and their dealers on the whole has been extremely poor. Why do they deserve my blind loyalty just because they built a cool car in '69 that I like and happen to own? I mentioned at the start of this thread problems with my Ram. I also have a Chrysler Town and Country. Both have had too many problems to be considered a quality vehicle. Even with a vehicle under warranty, it's a pain to be taking it in every month for a problem. Those 2 vehicles have broke my loyalty to Chrysler. My 87 Shelby Charger that was in the shop 2.5 times a month for the 27 months I owned it should have, but it didn't. My 91 Lebaron Convertible that went through 4 transmissions, should have, but didn't.  My 98 Cherokee with transmission and brake problems didn't. Guess I'm a very loyal guy - Mopar or no car. But, finally, I'm over it. My next new car will most likely be another brand as a matter of principle over how I have been treated with the Ram and T&C.

The Union has demonstrated they don't care about the customer by getting these guys their job back.  I'm sure those employees were doing that for years and some probably still are. Those particular employees just got caught this one time. Probably even got back pay. I wonder who didn't get caught and is still doing it? Chrysler Corporation has demonstrated they don't care about customers by not holding the Union accountable for warranty work due to poor workmanship.  The ability to permanently fire drunk/stoned employees not withstanding.  Additionally, they do not stand behind their product to the customer. Standing behind your product is key to building a strong brand. But, I'm stuck with thousands in out of pocket for repairs and time missed from work to take 2 cars to the dealer for repairs due to poor quality. As much as I love the old Mopars, I could care less if Chrysler went out of business.

[skip68]

They just take their work standards to a higher level.       

[Cooter]

I smell bailout again?

[Cooter]

They just take their work standards to a higher level.       

I guess to the actual TOP of thier Beer glasses then?