Gots me a scattergun Pa!

[Drache]

Benelli Supernova Tactical
12 Gauge
2-3/4", 3", 3-1/2"
Ghost Ring Sights



Picked her up used from another forum I'm a member of. Planned upgrades are a Nordic Extension Tube (+2), side saddle, and maybe a nice taclight 

[Finn]

Sweet, I've been very impressed with my dad's benelli M3 Convt. I'm sure you'll love the supernova. 

[twodko]

Very nice indeed! Too flashy for me......I'd paint it black.

[Drache]

Very nice indeed! Too flashy for me......I'd paint it black.

I wanted the black version as well but I'm not going to complain. Not the first shotgun that I've owned with the same paint job:



And my long range rifle isn't far off:

[twodko]

I've always had a Leopold 3x9 Vari-X3 scope on my AR but finally bought a sweet CQB red/green dot scope for it as well. Going to the range Thursday or Friday to zero it out.....haven't shot for a while and looking forward to it. 

[Drache]

I've always had a Leopold 3x9 Vari-X3 scope on my AR but finally bought a sweet CQB red/green dot scope for it as well. Going to the range Thursday or Friday to zero it out.....haven't shot for a while and looking forward to it. 

[nvrbdn]

nice

[charge69]

That is a very nice shotgun. I guess I am of a generation or two before you but I do not understand putting all the accessories on your weapon. I will take mine void of all the "tacticool" stuff available and keep them as light as possible. That goes for any of my guns, be it rifle, shotgun, pistol, or revolver. I was taught many years ago never to point your weapon at your target unless you intend to shoot it. That means ALL my lights are handheld in my off-hand and not on my weapon. I prefer weapons without rails and actually look for older ones without rails. Just my opinion and, obviously, I seem to be in the minority about rails but real combat, not video game BS, is my experience.

If you ever have to leave your home with a weapon, believe me, lighter and more trouble free, is better.

Drache, take that nice shotgun and keep it devoid of anything else, especially a rail and a light and I would even take that pistol grip off of it. You will thank me later.

USMC 66-70
RVN 67-68

[Drache]

That is a very nice shotgun. I guess I am of a generation or two before you but I do not understand putting all the accessories on your weapon. I will take mine void of all the "tacticool" stuff available and keep them as light as possible. That goes for any of my guns, be it rifle, shotgun, pistol, or revolver. I was taught many years ago never to point your weapon at your target unless you intend to shoot it. That means ALL my lights are handheld in my off-hand and not on my weapon. I prefer weapons without rails and actually look for older ones without rails. Just my opinion and, obviously, I seem to be in the minority about rails but real combat, not video game BS, is my experience.

If you ever have to leave your home with a weapon, believe me, lighter and more trouble free, is better.

Drache, take that nice shotgun and keep it devoid of anything else, especially a rail and a light and I would even take that pistol grip off of it. You will thank me later.

USMC 66-70
RVN 67-68

I've always been taught that you do not point a gun at something unless you pull the trigger. The light will simply there for dark situations. Generally bear but a few other situations might arise. The flashlight would be there to light a target that you want to shoot at, not to use as a general flashlight to look around. I want a nice sight of my target so I know exactly where I'm placing my rounds. There will be no rails. The side saddle is for easier grab of ammunition, switching up between buckshot to slug on the fly. I do not want to have to fumble around in pouches for shotgun shells.

As for thanking you about removing the pistol grip, not in a million years. I've run with "regular" shotguns and although nice, they will never replace the pistol grip shotgun in my opinion. I find it way easier to handle and deal with any recoil.

I've got a "regular" shotgun that is in my trunk 24/7. It's a plain jane shotgun. My "beater".

And before anyone says pistol grip shotguns are worthless, might want to try saying that to Taran Butler's face.  



Taran runs a Benelli Super 90 as part of Team Benelli.

[rebby]

Very nice! Here are a few of my "toys";

My "primary" carbine & daily carry gun.


My "primary" carbine side by side with the one that I built for my brother for his birthday a few years back (he's a deputy sheriff). Terrible picture but still one of my favorites since I did the two builds together.


Another one in the stable. I've since changed the stock to the same Magpul model pictured below.


Yet another carbine. This one has mid-length gas and a rifle sight radius (one of my favorite setups of all time).


Another carry gun. No the matte hard chrome is not for show, it's for durability. This one is actually built on a stainless receiver & slide that was then given the matte hard chrome finish. This gives you the durability of stainless without any of the problems. My primary carry gun (OD/black pictured above) is this one's twin brother, sequential serial numbers even, but has a proprietary ceramic coating over the hard chrome.


There are quite a few more but I don't have access to any pictures of them at the moment (at work). In the spirit of this thread, I really should post a few pics of some custom shotguns (mainly 870's). I'm more of an AR/1911 guy but I do have a few (~20) scatterguns as well.

[Drache]

Ok I'll post these again!

This is a Enfield P14 made in 1917 by Winchester for WWI. Currently awaiting the parts to bring it back to "military" status.


Current Sidearm, Sig P229 in 9mm with optional .22LR conversion kit.


Norinco 1911 Commander in .45 ACP


CZ-858 in 7.62x39


Norinco 1911A1 with adjustable sights in .45 ACP


Winchester Model 94, my saddle gun in 30-30


Glock 17 in 9mm


Savage 111 in .270 WIN


Colt 1851 Navy in .36, family heirloom


Smith & Wesson M&P9, my ex sidarm


Norinco NP-22 in 9mm


Parker & Hale Saferi in .308 Norma Magnum, grandfather's rifle


Savage Precision Carbine in .223


Bushmaster XM15 in .233 with launcher


Norinco M14S


Mossberg 500 Persuader in 12 gauge


Savage 10-FP in .308


Remington 700 VTR in .308


Savage Mark II "G" in .22LR


Savage 10-FCP-SR in .308


Another Bushmaser XM15 in .223


Blackpowder Golf Ball Mortar, just cause


Remington 870 Tactical, 12 gauge


Winchester 2200, 12 gauge


Winchester model 94 Canadian Centennial Edition




The rest of my guns I'm picking up over the next few days from the ranch 

[rebby]

Ok I'll post these again!
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The rest of my guns I'm picking up over the next few days from the ranch 

Not a bad collection that you have there. I didn't know that we were supposed to post all of our guns though. This is going to take a lot of time. I don't even have pictures of all of them. On that note, I should do that, documentation is always a good thing. Hmm...

[nvrbdn]

you are correct sir. i have a collection and have a picture of each piece. it works great when the insurance company comes due to loss. take the pics and put them in a fire proof box. i even have video tape of my collection.

[twodko]

I suspect Chargr69 and I are pretty close in age. I'm a believer light and live too. My time held the M16, Ithaca and 7.62 pig in high regard.........once you learned to keep the pig clean.


Takhli RTAFB 72-73

[charge69]

Drache,  I meant no disrespect to you or anyone who likes to "tacticool" out their guns. I just would never do that to mine. You have a nice collection of weapons there and I can tell you are a .308 fan. I favor that round also and have a few rifles in that caliber too.
I am more of an "accumalator" than a collector and have a few firearms myself and have managed to obtain some of the harder to find ones but, I bought my first gun before you were born and rarely, if ever, sell them. I definitely need to start "thinning the herd" before long as old age has already not only knocked on my door, it has let itself in and made itself comfortable!
Have fun with that pistol grip. Just be sure to fire it like the fellow in the picture fires it. Holding one down low, as in waist level, is suredly gonna strain or break your wrist. Ask me how I know!! A regular grip allows you many more options on holding it when you fire it and, if your home defense shotgun has a wood stock like one of mine(Ithaca Model 87 M&P 8-shot 20" bbl from around the late '70's) it also becomes a weapon you can beat your aggressor with.

Also to Twodko: I am a little older than you but not much.  Thailand (Takhli RTAFB) was a beautiful 3rd world s##thole. I worked with a couple of ex-AF buddies that were there in the mid to late '60's.  Going "lighter" means so much more when you get older.  Ha! They will figure that out eventually!

[twodko]

Charge69

Back in those days they were all s***holes iMO.......especially the flight line and hanger spaces when the humidity was so high your sweat didn't let you see the wrench in your hand much less take a deep breath. Old age is sittin' here right now too. Lighter was/is my friend.............there it is. Nothin' for it.


Welcome back bro.

[Drache]

Drache,  I meant no disrespect to you or anyone who likes to "tacticool" out their guns.

Nothing goes on my weapons that doesn't have a purpose. I don't throw something on my guns just to make it look "cool".

Holding one down low, as in waist level, is suredly gonna strain or break your wrist.

There is no reason to really fire any gun from the hip and is something only done in the movies. It's nothing but a waste of ammunition. Those shotguns that just have the pistol grips without stocks I also think are a waste unless you need to conceal the shotgun for some reason.

if your home defense shotgun has a wood stock like one of mine...it also becomes a weapon you can beat your aggressor with.

First off I do not use a shotgun for home defense or any situation where there is a chance of a stray pellet going someplace where an innocent person might be. Even the best can miss with one or two pellets and they can travel through the wall of a building quite easily, I've seen this with my own eyes. I'll use a sidearm or a 556 Carbine although there is a chance of a through and through with the 556. Less chance of a stray round if you only fire one round per pull of the trigger though.

Second, that's the reason I have up the M&P9. Can't pistol whip someone with a polymer gun....

[charge69]

Twodko

Do not want to hijack Drache's thread but:  Weclome back yourself! Yep, Thailand and everywhere I went in SE Asia was visually beautiful but very 3rd world back then and I suspect they still are!

I have more than a few AR's and AK's and if I had to grab one to depend on for my life, an AK is coming with me. Nothing extra, not even eotech or red dot sights, on any of mine but, that is just my choice.

I was a helicopter crew chief and doorgunner in Vietnam (H-34) and transferred to the HAMS unit of my MAG for the last month and a half of my tour both because I was getting a little brazen about going into a hot zone and just to get a little rest from the tedium of flying missions. In the HAMS unit (hdqtrs and maint. squadron), life was 12 hrs. a day, 7 days a week in the engine shop and I enjoyed the extra time off from flying . Ha. Nice schedule for $425.00 a month including combat pay and I was an E-5 Sgt.

By the way, Airwingers were still issued M-14's back when I was in Vietnam but, grunts were being issued M-16s and other "curious" weapons. At least some of the "special" teams I flew in and/or extracted had many other types of weapons!

Sorry Drache for the hijack!  You still have a very nice collection started and you are welcome to put anything on your weapon you want. After all it is yours. Even a grenade launcher must have some purpose I am not aware of.

[Drache]

Sorry Drache for the hijack!  You still have a very nice collection started and you are welcome to put anything on your weapon you want. After all it is yours. Even a grenade launcher must have some purpose I am not aware of.

You might not be Canadian but I thank everyone for their service all the same.

[twodko]

Me too Drache, got a bit carried away. Bloopers make a such an innocent sound........

[Drache]

Bloopers make a such an innocent sound........

I spilled my beer when I burst out laughing at that 

[Finn]

Holy crap, I have to catch up!

*Edit: catch up as much as I can since I live in CA 

[rebby]

Nothing goes on my weapons that doesn't have a purpose. I don't throw something on my guns just to make it look "cool".

Agreed 100%. Even though a lot of people don't consider red dots and/or lights to "have a purpose," I train with them, I use them, and I find them extremely useful on my carbines. On the flip side, I don't want anything hanging on my pistols, in fact I don't even have rails on the vast majority of my handguns. Instead I train with a handheld light (Surefire 6P series for me). On the vast majority of guns that we custom build for customers, we spend more time talking them out of putting certain "accessories" on their guns than trying to talk them into anything.

There is no reason to really fire any gun from the hip and is something only done in the movies. It's nothing but a waste of ammunition.

I respectively disagree, to a point. There are some situations where firing from the hip is necessary and correct. For example, in extreme CQB situations we actually train using a technique of firing from the hip. It's quick, simple, accurate, and highly successful.

Those shotguns that just have the pistol grips without stocks I also think are a waste unless you need to conceal the shotgun for some reason.

Again, these types of weapons do have their place but.... personally, I don't own one (which is saying quite a bit) nor do I train with one.

First off I do not use a shotgun for home defense or any situation where there is a chance of a stray pellet going someplace where an innocent person might be. Even the best can miss with one or two pellets and they can travel through the wall of a building quite easily, I've seen this with my own eyes.

A shotgun used properly and with the correct loads is actually one of the best (and safest) home defense weapons available. I'd strongly prefer a properly equipped scattergun to a 9mm any day of the week.

I'll use a sidearm or a 556 Carbine although there is a chance of a through and through with the 556. Less chance of a stray round if you only fire one round per pull of the trigger though.

Just like a scattergun a sidearm or carbine loaded incorrectly will still over penetrate. At the end of the day, it's all about having a properly loaded weapon.

[Drache]

A shotgun used properly and with the correct loads is actually one of the best (and safest) home defense weapons available.

The reason I got into that is of all the courses or competitions I've been in, 1/3 generally miss with at least one of their pellets on 00 buckshot at 15-20 yards. And I'm talking people from joe blow, to cops, to military. Now granted shotgun choices, choke, and ammo can change all that. With a choke you have a way better chance and keeping all your buckshot on target but give up the use of slugs. But one 00 buckshot pellet missing is almost the same as a 9mm round missing it's target. Knowing your shotgun pattern greatly helps but that pattern changes depending on the brands of ammo too.

Go with 000 buckshot and you have less pellets that can miss, tri-ball even less than that. But 00 buck is usually the most common that people use.

[rebby]

A shotgun used properly and with the correct loads is actually one of the best (and safest) home defense weapons available.

The reason I got into that is of all the courses or competitions I've been in, 1/3 generally miss with at least one of their pellets on 00 buckshot at 15-20 yards. And I'm talking people from joe blow, to cops, to military. Now granted shotgun choices, choke, and ammo can change all that. With a choke you have a way better chance and keeping all your buckshot on target but give up the use of slugs. But one 00 buckshot pellet missing is almost the same as a 9mm round missing it's target. Knowing your shotgun pattern greatly helps but that pattern changes depending on the brands of ammo too.

Go with 000 buckshot and you have less pellets that can miss, tri-ball even less than that. But 00 buck is usually the most common that people use.

Yep, it's all about the load. .45ACP is still my favorite round for home defense (and daily carry). Although several of my carbines would be a "better" choice, there are a lot of advantages to the handgun (for me). Exact choices for personal defense are just that, personal (which is why I own a CUSTOM firearms company that doesn't manufacture a single "off the shelf" model).

[oldcarnut]

I'm curious on the Norinco M14S evidence box.  Is there an interesting story behind that?

[Drache]

Yep, it's all about the load. .45ACP is still my favorite round for home defense (and daily carry). Although several of my carbines would be a "better" choice, there are a lot of advantages to the handgun (for me). Exact choices for personal defense are just that, personal (which is why I own a CUSTOM firearms company that doesn't manufacture a single "off the shelf" model).

I was just about to post about using a .45 ACP for home defense! Great stopping power and not a hell of lot of over penetration. Those big bullets are slow  

I'm curious on the Norinco M14S evidence box.  Is there an interesting story behind that?

Needed a box to ship it to have some work done.