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Started by Brock Samson, November 11, 2012, 03:10:47 PM

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Brock Samson

 :shruggy: According to Collectors Automobile Magazine, this was a clay for a Possible 'Second Gen.  :rofl:
the only thing i see to tie it visually to the '68/'70 are the parking lamps. Other then that it looks very near to the '70 Mercury Montego especially the lower body sculpting. weird..  :-\

JB400


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Ghoste

Monte Carlo didn't come out until 1970.

tan top

looks  sort of like  like the boat tailed buick riviera , minus the boat tail  :scratchchin: ;D
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hatersaurusrex

That would have made for a very different General Lee.  The Duke boys couldn't have really done a hood slide without racking their jewels and/or ripping their jeans!
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moparstuart

looks cinda like the toronado flip up headlights in the front
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bakerhillpins

Quote from: Brock Samson on November 11, 2012, 03:10:47 PM
:shruggy: According to Collectors Automobile Magazine, this was a clay for a Possible 'Second Gen.

Man, all I have to say is thank goodness.  I don't like a LOT about that car design.  :eek2:
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Brock Samson

and then there's this..

Ghoste

Definitely see some elements that turned up in the 3rd gens on that one.

areibel

Yeah, the roof looks third gen, but the rest looks like a Torino!

Kern Dog

Oh my lord, what a hideous pile!
That car reminds me of those entertainment stories where they tell of other actors that auditioned for a movie part. Ryan o Neal actually was considered to play the role of Rocky Balboa.... :hah:

bull

Glad we Dodged that bullet. :D

JB400

I see a third gen roof, with a riviera front end, and a 68 corvette rear end.  And a Javelin on the drawing board.

Ghoste

And Rallye wheels.  Is that second photo a proposal for the 2nd gen or 3rd gen?

bakerhillpins

Looks like its for a 3rd gen to me.
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Ghoste

I'm kind of even questioning the first photo now.  Do you have more information on them Brock?

bakerhillpins

In the first photo it looks like they only made half a car and it's leaning up against mirrors to make it look complete and symmetric.  :scope:

Not sure the 1st looks like any year in particular.  :scratchchin:
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"The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits." -Albert Einstein
Go that way, really fast. If something gets in your way, turn.
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Ghoste

A very early collection of several ideas then?

bakerhillpins

Sure.  :shruggy:  All speculation on my part, obviously. Makes it kind fun though.  :yesnod:
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Brock Samson

 No, the first has no info attached though as i have mentioned earlier (yrs ago now) Collectors Automobile did a extensive piece on the designing of the second gen many yrs. ago. i forget the date now I have contacted them, (and magazine collectors and sellers) on more then one occasion unsuccessfully trying to get a copy of that sold out issue. near as I can tell that first photo is from that issue,..
  I'll look around and try to find it's issue date again. There was a quote in that article posted several times about how, there was a clay built for a Charger based on the '68 Coronet. which was not well received, but that when the pet double diamond project that was supposed to be destroyed was revealed to the Execs. who had never seen it, it was instantly green lighted.  As regards these clays looking like Ford and even AMC products (that came out later) there was more than a little industrial espionage, going on.

Brock Samson

In addition: if you look at the first clay, you can see the Wheelbase is too long.. especially in the back, and the A-Pillar windshield posts are all wrong. however the tumblehome (the depth in plain view) at the rear wheel arch is very nearly what appeared in production,..  i think in retrospect they were chasing the Personal Luxury field at this time Thunderbird, Rivi, Grand Prix and the upcoming Toronado, (check the rear bumper) which were really the only products in a soon to be crowded field, but I totally agree, it looks like Ass.  :eek2:

Brock Samson

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Ghoste

That photo I've seen before,  Starting to come together a little more by that point.

kikgas01

Love the dual fuel caps...

Mike DC


This one seems very possibly a real Charger pic.  Look in the background (above the hood) and you see what looks like a '66-67 B-body under the tarp.  That suggests the pic was taken at Chrylser in the correct time period.  

The longer wheelbase might have been under consideration to make the car more of a determined luxury car.  Longer wheelbases = upscale image and smoother ride.  Although I would expect a decision like that to have been far above the level of the styling department.  Maybe they were just told to experiment with it.



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This one looks reminiscent of how the NASCAR guys altered their 2nd-gens to cheat the air.  If Chrysler had produced that concept car as the stock 2nd-gen they would never have needed a C500 or Daytona.  


The back end looks sorta like a Mustang of the era. 


Ghoste

More derivative of the 1st gens.

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Quote from: Ghoste on December 08, 2012, 06:36:16 PM
More derivative of the 1st gens.

Agreed, as it looks evolutionary, not revolutionary, like the 1968-1970 Chargers were. :Twocents:

Thankfully, they honed that design to what was released for M/Y 1968

Ghoste

I've seen another clay that is almost halfway between this one and the 1st gen Chargers.  The fastback was more steeply raked as I recall and it had the dual fuel fillers on the top like that.

Mike DC

I don't see how that last concept's hood would have cleared the top of the radiator support.  And I doubt they would have been allowed to alter the rad support to make it fit either. 

   

Ghoste

On the other hand, they did think enough of the styling exercise to take it from drawing to clay.