Is AMD (auto metal direct) producing charger bodies?

[1974dodgecharger]

thats a good deal for sure as cooter would say something like 'buyer expect to buy these chargers for dirt cheap, but those days are gone so the buyers are dreamers' 

[Back N Black]

With regards to re-bodies people tailor the definition to their own needs. Who is right,who is wrong? When guys are displaying their cars at a show, do they point out to spectators that the car is 90% 2012 sheet metal? Its great that we have more sheet metal reproduced for the charger, but the value and rarity of an R/T is becoming less valuable because of the reproduction parts.  Dig up a VIN tag and have at her! 

[1974dodgecharger]

With regards to re-bodies people tailor the definition to their own needs. Who is right,who is wrong? When guys are displaying their cars at a show, do they point out to spectators that the car is 90% 2012 sheet metal? Its great that we have more sheet metal reproduced for the charger, but the value and rarity of an R/T is becoming less valuable because of the reproduction parts.  Dig up a VIN tag and have at her! 

my assumption is that we are talking about complete body kit all made for us like dynacorp does for the mustang.  You order the complete body and you add in your pieces.

[marshallfry01]

yup chargers are not all that popular, but when one sees one its like a unicorn!!!!!

Broncos, camaros, mustangs are way popular because those are 'feasible' to the average income guy out there. You can get a runner bronco for 8k or so, but to get a running 2nd gen charger for that much is rare and I have only seen one and I posted it awhile back for 7k complete runner!

FWIW, 1st generation Broncos have higher demand for complete bodies than Chargers.

Well, I guess that explains why they had a Broncobody on display at SEMA....never thought they were that popular..guess I was wrong  (and I almost made through the whole year without being wrong.....bummer) 

I drove my '69 charger home from Utah for $7100.00......off of ebay......in 2004.   Now, technically it was a complete running car, but.....it had front seats out of hyundai, all the seat belts were in the trunk, the exhaust was a single pipe off the 440 that was cut off midway with no muffler, turn signals didn't work, horn didn't work, the aft tranny mount was broken, the gas tank leaked, and there was a tick in the motor.

But I drove it all the way from Salt Lake City to Salem Oregon for $7100.00.  (I don't think the seller thought it would make it all the way here, and he sounded shocked when I called him the next day and told him that, not only did we make it, but we got 22 MPG on the way!)  It actually ran surprisingly well and it was an uneventful trip all things considered.

By the way, I lost the info on the seller, so if anyone on here sold a white '69 charger to a guy in Oregon back in 2004, let me know.  That guy had a lot of muscle cars and classic cars, corvette, monte carlo, roadrunner, el camino, (and 9 more chargers according to him!!!)

I wanna know how you got 22mpg out of a 440 lol 

[HPP]

According to most states DMVs, it is still a '69 Charger.

Not without swapping VIN numbers it ain't...And I believe swapping numbers onto a new repalcement body might throw some red flags. We here in Va, have been through this with older 427 Engines in BRAND new Cobra bodies and trying to register them as 1966 Cobras.

Sorry, I should hafe referenced the quote I was responding to, which is below. In this case, it is still a '69 Charger.

I have a question if i had my real 69 Charger restored with amd parts i need alot i mean alot i got put in a new trunk floor,front floor,roof skin,both doors, both fenders,both quarters,hood,trunk lid,front valance,both back panel for tail lights and reverse lights, rocker panels in and out would my car be considered a new 2012 car or still a 69 after its done though it will never rust again in my life time or my little guys

Now, kit cars may be a bit different. Some states will title them as the year they most closely resemble, others offer a special kit vin irregardless. In any case, this site encompasses a lot of states and internatioanl countries and if one was to go the new body route, it would certainly be worth checking local titling laws before making the jump with a $20k body.

[JB400]

 

[1974dodgecharger]

dynacorp has linkes to majority of the states talking about titling new cars that are built from scratch.

As for the 69 charger with complete AMD still a 69 charger YES its still a 69 charger, but majority of the folks will tell you (those in it for the money) its an original 69 charger UNRESTORED!!! 
thats the problem with complete body kits like that people will get their VINs off their old chargers and claim an original and yes its been done before we all have seen it.

According to most states DMVs, it is still a '69 Charger.

Not without swapping VIN numbers it ain't...And I believe swapping numbers onto a new repalcement body might throw some red flags. We here in Va, have been through this with older 427 Engines in BRAND new Cobra bodies and trying to register them as 1966 Cobras.

Sorry, I should hafe referenced the quote I was responding to, which is below. In this case, it is still a '69 Charger.

I have a question if i had my real 69 Charger restored with amd parts i need alot i mean alot i got put in a new trunk floor,front floor,roof skin,both doors, both fenders,both quarters,hood,trunk lid,front valance,both back panel for tail lights and reverse lights, rocker panels in and out would my car be considered a new 2012 car or still a 69 after its done though it will never rust again in my life time or my little guys

Now, kit cars may be a bit different. Some states will title them as the year they most closely resemble, others offer a special kit vin irregardless. In any case, this site encompasses a lot of states and internatioanl countries and if one was to go the new body route, it would certainly be worth checking local titling laws before making the jump with a $20k body.

[UH60L]

yup chargers are not all that popular, but when one sees one its like a unicorn!!!!!

Broncos, camaros, mustangs are way popular because those are 'feasible' to the average income guy out there. You can get a runner bronco for 8k or so, but to get a running 2nd gen charger for that much is rare and I have only seen one and I posted it awhile back for 7k complete runner!

FWIW, 1st generation Broncos have higher demand for complete bodies than Chargers.

Well, I guess that explains why they had a Broncobody on display at SEMA....never thought they were that popular..guess I was wrong  (and I almost made through the whole year without being wrong.....bummer) 

I drove my '69 charger home from Utah for $7100.00......off of ebay......in 2004.   Now, technically it was a complete running car, but.....it had front seats out of hyundai, all the seat belts were in the trunk, the exhaust was a single pipe off the 440 that was cut off midway with no muffler, turn signals didn't work, horn didn't work, the aft tranny mount was broken, the gas tank leaked, and there was a tick in the motor.

But I drove it all the way from Salt Lake City to Salem Oregon for $7100.00.  (I don't think the seller thought it would make it all the way here, and he sounded shocked when I called him the next day and told him that, not only did we make it, but we got 22 MPG on the way!)  It actually ran surprisingly well and it was an uneventful trip all things considered.

By the way, I lost the info on the seller, so if anyone on here sold a white '69 charger to a guy in Oregon back in 2004, let me know.  That guy had a lot of muscle cars and classic cars, corvette, monte carlo, roadrunner, el camino, (and 9 more chargers according to him!!!)

I wanna know how you got 22mpg out of a 440 lol 

It was originally a 318 car, still has the 2.76 rear end, and we were very careful with it because we didn't know if it would make it all the way home, so, rear-end gears plus keeping your foot out of it = good mileage.

[UH60L]

Oh, and after the body work, I now have a new right fender, new quater panels, new corner caps, new trunk floor, new trunk extensions, new front and rear valances, new hood, and doors off of a different car.

The rest is original, so I consider mine not to be a "re-body".  My thought on this is that, unless your putting the vin tag on a completely different body and frame, then technically it's a restoration/re-build, not a re-body.

Just 

[Cooter]

So the general idea here in the Mopar world is...

1. A rebody is only a rebody if the donor "Body" was born as another vehicle, and you swap the VIN number onto the trunk lip/core support/dash...

2. a "Resto" is only a "Resto" if one orders a totally new body, swaps all the same engine/trans/rear/emblems what have you, and swaps the SAME VIN numbers onto the core support/trunk lip/dash...


Clear as mud now. kinda sounds to me like the age old addage used by the "Purists" to deem a car "Worthy" of resale value. (IE: Looking from the outside in, or inside out, your still looking through the same glass.)

[Kern Dog]

I don't know if there ever will be a 68-70 Charger shell ever sold, but if there is, there are several advantages to buying one.
NO panel replacement needed. All the metal is new. NO hidden rust. $20,000? For the enthusiast that spends that much in parts and labor to restore the body of their original, THIS can be a viable option. You're starting with brand new sheet metal with zero body filler, crappy welds, misaligned panels or a unibody structure that has been weakened from 42 years of use.
I got into the game before the price explosion, but todays buyers are not so lucky. Think of the costs to strip a project car apart, assess the damage, dip the body to strip paint and filler, cut out and replace every rusty part, primer and bodywork....It adds up quick.

[1974dodgecharger]

sounds good to me, but you forgot the human aspect of it all that someone will claim 'ALL ORIGINAL' when they got a whole body kit from dynacorp and try to fetch 100k plus for it.

So the general idea here in the Mopar world is...

1. A rebody is only a rebody if the donor "Body" was born as another vehicle, and you swap the VIN number onto the trunk lip/core support/dash...

2. a "Resto" is only a "Resto" if one orders a totally new body, swaps all the same engine/trans/rear/emblems what have you, and swaps the SAME VIN numbers onto the core support/trunk lip/dash...


Clear as mud now. kinda sounds to me like the age old addage used by the "Purists" to deem a car "Worthy" of resale value. (IE: Looking from the outside in, or inside out, your still looking through the same glass.)

[Cooter]

sounds good to me, but you forgot the human aspect of it all that someone will claim 'ALL ORIGINAL' when they got a whole body kit from dynacorp and try to fetch 100k plus for it.
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Hmm, you seem to have some kind of fetish with people asking huge money for their junk. I just have a problem with Dumbasses that actually BUY it, then wanna complain. It's a Dog eat dog world out there. No room for any Pussy cats....Buyer beware out there.

[Mike DC]

          
Reproduction Hemi engines make it easier to clone Hemi cars too.  Have the new engines been bad for the hobby?  Have they unleashed a tidal wave of fake factory Hemi cars on us and ruined the value of original factory Hemi cars?  



It doesn't work like that.  If you are trying to commit VIN fraud, then you could have just as easily done it with an existing old Hemi engine as a repro.  (Probably easier in fact, the repros are never 100% identical to the old stuff.) 

And if you aren't trying to pass of a Hemi car as original one, then you gain nothing by claiming that the engine is 45yo when it's not.  Hemi clone car buyers would generally pay the same or more for a reproduction engine since it has some functional advantages over the 45yo engines.  

[Ghoste]

Do you really believe just swapping in a crate engine is all it would take to create a fake Hemi car though?  If it were that easy there most certainly would be a flood of fake ones on the market.

[Mike DC]

  
No it's not that easy.  But when Hemi blocks were first reproduced in the 1990s people were having all these same discussions.  

A repro unibody shell doesn't get you a whole clone car body either.  



The ease or difficulty of cloning a specific car is beside the point.  What I'm trying to say is that new repro parts don't present any more opportunity for fraud than what already exists with surviving used parts.  Be it an engine or a whole body shell.  

[Ghoste]

I don't recall the engines provoking those discussions.  Not denying it, just saying I don't remember such.  I think there are probably a huge amount of "numbers matching" engines (of all stripes) out there in cars that blew up their orginal engine decades ago.   Who knows?

[Mike DC]

I agree there is more fraud out there than most people realize.  

Is an "original" car that lost its engine so different from an "original" car that lost its unibody shell?  The unibody is maybe 800 lbs out of a 3800-lb car.  

[Ghoste]

Depends on how you choose to define it I guess.  To me, yes, its a lot different.  We pay a premium for both but typically a little less for non orginal drivetrain components and less again for a non original body.

[JB400]

No matter how we define them today,  all the original components are going to be just as rare as Duesenburg parts today eventually.  Actually, of the Duesies today, not much of them are original anymore.  Most of their parts have to be recast and remanufactured from original blue prints.  I think eventually, these cars will be treated the same way.

[1974dodgecharger]

sounds good to me, but you forgot the human aspect of it all that someone will claim 'ALL ORIGINAL' when they got a whole body kit from dynacorp and try to fetch 100k plus for it.
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I have a problem with both, but you just want to see that I have a problem with buyers I said it swings both ways......

LIke I told you before you only see the buying aspect becuase you were a buyer so you have some empathy towards them....ME I see it both ways.


Hmm, you seem to have some kind of fetish with people asking huge money for their junk. I just have a problem with Dumbasses that actually BUY it, then wanna complain. It's a Dog eat dog world out there. No room for any Pussy cats....Buyer beware out there.

I have a problem with both, but you just want to see that I have a problem with buyers I said it swings both ways......

LIke I told you before you only see the selling aspect becuase you were a selling so you have some empathy towards them....ME I see it both ways.

and yes I know its a dog eat dog out there.....who said it wasnt you think donald trump got rich by being nice!!!  hahahaa...same with bill gates, opera, etc....

[Mike DC]

Lots of Chargers get neglected away to nothing, crashed by drunks, crushed in scrapyards, wrecked by Hollywood . . .  and we complain about it. 


A few Chargers get reproduced to replace some of the ones we've lost . . . and we complain?   

[Ghoste]

If its passed off as something it isn't, then yes.

[Cooter]

Lots of Chargers get neglected away to nothing, crashed by drunks, crushed in scrapyards, wrecked by Hollywood . . .  and we complain about it.  


A few Chargers get reproduced to replace some of the ones we've lost . . . and we complain?  

EXACTLY!!!!

If it ain't the money the repro parts cost, it's the "Potential" Scammers trying to sell a "bill-o-goods", it's the fraud aspect. Damn, one can't win.

We of ALL people should be hoping these cars are worth a fortune. Instead, all we got are a bunch of low ballers looking for someone to give them away??

Just because a couple of dumbasses gave away their restorations they had clearly over $100K in for $25K, doens't mean the market has been "Set" by these few idiots that needed money. Some of us will just sit on 'em in the back yard and let 'em go to sh*t just to piss off the vultures.

[JB400]

I think it is just the purists that complain the most.  Like ghoste said, it's more out of fear of someone passing off one as a 1 of 1 original car.  But for an enthusiast like me,  I'm happy to see these parts come out.  I like to see more people get in the hobby and be able to.  But, there does need to be some sort of distinction between the aftermarket bodies and the originals.   I think once there is, the purists will calm down enough to let the rest of the hobby have some fun.  Either way, buyer beware does become a major factor.