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[cdr]

removed,

[68X426]

Awesome. 

[69rtse4spd]

Awesome. 

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[Indygenerallee]

GM is about to go belly up right now.

[JB400]

GM is about to go belly up right now.

That would look real good on someone's presidential record.

[Tilar]

GM is about to go belly up right now.

That would look real good on someone's presidential record.

He needs something to make him look good but I just don't forsee it coming.

[TUFCAT]

I'm not blaming cdr at all.....but I get personally offended by the people who make these videos. They have no idea what they're talking about or how the economy works. Without getting into a political discussion, the depiction of GM as a failure is completely ignorant.  

[Dino]

I'm not blaming cdr at all.....but I get personally offended by the people who make these videos. They have no idea what they're talking about or how the economy works. Without getting into a whole political discussion, the depiction of GM as a failure is completely ignorant.  

Yeah that gets me as well.  Facts are as rare as 440 hemi's on this board.

[Mike DC]

  
Bail out GM scott-free, and people complain that you're just running up the national debt & rewarding incompetence instead of letting the market work.

Bail out GM with conditions to steer it towards a healthier company, and people complain about favoritism & "Government Motors".  

Don't bail out GM, and people complain that you're throwing away tons of manufacturing jobs overseas for a temporary problem instead of saving it like Chrysler.





There's no choice that does not draw criticism & anger.
 

[1974dodgecharger]

Thats true the only logical choice left is, "give the money in all bail outs to the citizens who pay taxes. I remember reading some kind of email saying something like if the bail out money was given to every tax payer who paid their taxes we each would get roughly 75k or so.  Dont know if this is true, but if they did that then we would be doing 'trickle up' economy and the government does not believe in that.

 
Bail out GM scott-free, and people complain that you're just running up the national debt & rewarding incompetence instead of letting the market work.

Bail out GM with conditions to steer it towards a healthier company, and people complain about favoritism & "Government Motors".  

Don't bail out GM, and people complain that you're throwing away tons of manufacturing jobs overseas for a temporary problem instead of saving it like Chrysler.





There's no choice that does not draw criticism & anger.
 

[ACUDANUT]

 No Chrysler bail out video ? Or Fiat now owns 50 percent of it.

[areibel]

Thats true the only logical choice left is, "give the money in all bail outs to the citizens who pay taxes. I remember reading some kind of email saying something like if the bail out money was given to every tax payer who paid their taxes we each would get roughly 75k or so.  Dont know if this is true, but if they did that then we would be doing 'trickle up' economy and the government does not believe in that.

Uhh, 80 billion divided by the number of taxpayers in the US (I don't know, maybe 100 million out of 300 million total?) is more like 800 bucks each, that wouldn't even buy my quarter panels!

And both Chrysler and GM have paid back the majority of the bail out money through cash and stock deals.  GM's stock kinda tanked since then, so the cash value of the stock the taxpayers are sitting on isn't really worth the value of the loan, but it's not like they planned it that way- that was the the terms of the loan deal.  I'm not a GM fan, and I've owned a couple but I'm not impressed.  But this anti bailout crap is just election year politics trying to make a bunch of people that don't know better believe what they're told.  And yes, I'm a Republican!  But I hate bullshit in any form, and a lot of what's coming out of both sides is the purest form.  I wish we could have gotten a real Republican to run instead of a corporate raider that had more money to spend than anyone else!

[ACUDANUT]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AhL_o6dBVY

[areibel]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390444405804577559071927653292.html

Try something besides the Fox News side of things.  Note that last year all the US automakers took a bath in Europe?

[1974dodgecharger]

In the end a car is a car we all love them.  Its hard not to include the politics into this dicussion since the politics interjected themselves into the business.

[Mike DC]

                
The number of US taxpayers is a whole lot more than 100 million.  The infamous 47% figure is misleading.  

 

[areibel]

I wasn't sure what number to use, so I just guessed- but for a rough idea the 100 mill made the math a lot easier!

[1969chargerrtse]

 
Bail out GM scott-free, and people complain that you're just running up the national debt & rewarding incompetence instead of letting the market work.

Bail out GM with conditions to steer it towards a healthier company, and people complain about favoritism & "Government Motors".  

Don't bail out GM, and people complain that you're throwing away tons of manufacturing jobs overseas for a temporary problem instead of saving it like Chrysler.





There's no choice that does not draw criticism & anger.
 

[68X426]

               
The number of US taxpayers is a whole lot more than 100 million.  The infamous 47% figure is misleading. 

Any figure works. It's all made up. Pick any number you would like, anything that makes you feel good.

The Federal Reserve does. The BLS does, the OMB does. Our government just makes up numbers, so anything goes today, 47%, 58%, 34%. Anything you want.

[JB400]

They took criticism from day one.  It just hasn't stopped.

[Ghoste]

As do all administrations.