'68 R/T (what a crying shame!)

[71_Charger_R/T]

Last weekend, my brother and I went to retrieve my father's two Chrysler Air Flows out of the woods (1935 & 1937) These cars have been stored on a friends property for many many years and have suffered the ravages of time. Well, suffering in the same way right next to the two Flows was this......




This was our friends old car (he still owns it) stored on his mother's property. She commented that he still owns EVERY car he's ever had (literally). She would like to get them out of her yard and I would certainly be happy to oblige removing this one from her hair, but her son would never part with the car (we've asked to buy it a few times.) He's gonna fix it up someday.   This car was beautiful in it's day but sadly is turning to soil underneath. what's left is arrow straight but disappearing fast. It was a 440 4 speed.

[68X426]

The paint actually looks decent, it'll buff up fine as is. ....... maybe.

What a shame. Thanks for posting. 

[Dans 68]

That is a damn shame.    Grab the vin (and more photos) if you get the chance. White interior QQ-1? Probably a beauty back in the day.

Dan

[71_Charger_R/T]

It is! Whats left would buff up and look fantastic...... you'd just have to ignore the lack of rockers, floor boards, frame rails and lower quarters.
Sorry, My photobucket is screwing up and posting duplicates..... here's the 4th one I meant to post

[hatersaurusrex]

Do what my bro did, a guy down the road from him had a '70 bee sitting out in the weather and my bro went and offered to store it for him free of charge in his barn.    Hopefully after a while the guy will break down and sell it to him

[Indygenerallee]

Geeze.....

[Ghoste]

Have you tried to explain to him that Charger ownership is a very special privilege and if he is unwilling to meet the obligations of ownership he will be shunned by us all here at Charger.com?  Tell him about the shame of being an outcast and how we will never acknowledge his presence or even his very existence.  Worse than dead to us, he will be as though he never was.

[ACUDANUT]

There ought to be a law against classic cars being neglected and left outside to rot.

[Ghoste]

There are, plenty of them.  Unfortunately most of those same laws also require having said cars hauled off and crushed.

[Mytur Binsdirti]

The hobby needs parts cars and not every parts car should be "restored".

[Ghoste]

That by no means should advocate the notion of allowing a four speed RT to rust itself into parts car-ness.

[Tilar]

Man, crying shame is right.   

[Brass]

Unbelievable.   If he can't take even minimal effort to keep the car from literally rotting into the ground, he is beyond deluded to believe he's going to restore it someday.  This is a good example of where even a flipper's intervention would be welcome.  At least then there would be some chance of it eventually finding its way into better hands.

[JB400]

Sad really.  I guess it ain't much different watching one get destroyed in seconds compared to watching one destroyed in years.  How about doing the Charger world a favor and get him on here.  Let us show him how much fun these cars are and maybe he'll want to fix it up a little bit sooner.  No sense in letting one bite the dust.

[skip68]

I fully agree with Brass on the flipper coment.....and I hate most flippers.   

[bakerhillpins]

 

That is the car of my dreams... Minus the vinyl top of course.  QQ1, white interior, 4spd.  UGH. 

[Dans 68]

That is the car of my dreams... Minus the vinyl top of course.  QQ1, white interior, 4spd.  UGH. 

Mine also, except it has a Hemi....  

Dan

[hatersaurusrex]

If only someone would start a Charger rescue like they have animal rescues...  Sarah McLachlan could sing over the top of a commercial showing poor rusted out Chargers and beg people to donate money... "For just the price of a cup of coffee, you can make sure this adorable B-Body gets it's own gas, paint, and shelter... and you'll know you made a difference"

[68X426]

Very funny .... and smart, at the same time. Good one, Hater. 

[stripedelete]

Any pics of the air flows?

[71_Charger_R/T]

I'll get some of the Flows..... they're all on my brothers camera. All I had was my phone.

[bull]

That guy needs a

[TUFCAT]

This notion of "I want restore the car someday" absolutely kills me!

These people don't realize the months and years left rotting have cost them THOUSANDS of dollars (if they actually wanted to achieve the dream of restoration).

Sure, they might THINK they still have hopes and dreams to restore a car, but reality is - they don't - and never had.  They never had the money, time, experience, or dedication. That's why it was left sitting for dead because they won't sell it.  These people would rather destroy something of value, rather than let it go.

If I had something of value I would never let it rot. Plain and simple.  

[Surf Charger]

Am I the only one here that thinks that thing is in really good shape? I dont' see any surface rust considering its been outside for so long. Floor pans don't look terrible. Geez you guys need to go make an offer to retrieve it.

[Mike DC]

                      
I would go at it like this:


Step #1 - Bring an AMD catalog.  Start showing the owner how much money it will take to buy parts for that resto.  A minute or two of this will go a long way but too much will just insult & piss him off. 

Setp#2 -  Then start offering him a pile of CASH.  Use 20's so the pile looks bigger.  Don't promise an amount, don't talk trades, and don't offer to write a big check.  Put cash in front of his eyes.

[tan top]

 looks like it was well straight , when parked  ,  shame  , wonder what the frame rails are like ?
 should be  restored    

[1974dodgecharger]

I have never tried the pile of cash technique before I be too scared of getting robbed?  Right now im sitting on 20k in cash in 100's you ever seen them in real life stacked on each other?  Pretty impressive I must say....All this for a 68 charger im looking for and being picky as hell....it will be 30k in Feb. timeframe 

                     
I would go at it like this:


Step #1 - Bring an AMD catalog.  Start showing the owner how much money it will take to buy parts for that resto.  A minute or two of this will go a long way but too much will just insult & piss him off. 

Setp#2 -  Then start offering him a pile of CASH.  Use 20's so the pile looks bigger.  Don't promise an amount, don't talk trades, and don't offer to write a big check.  Put cash in front of his eyes.

[charger_fan_4ever]

If these hoarders atleast had the cars in under cover in dry storage i'd have no issue with the "i'm gonna get her going one day"
BUTTTTT

When they are put out to pasture for years and neglected they need a kick in the arse.

Looked like a perfectly good car at one point, what happened to it ? When gas got expensive he just parked it in the field ?

[JB400]

I know what you mean by a stack of bills.  It is quite impressive.  I hope you end up getting the car.

[Ghoste]

Those are the ones that get me too.  Without even so much as a tarp or something to make a token effort at protecting the car how it could it be considered as anything but abandoned?

[1974dodgecharger]

If these hoarders atleast had the cars in under cover in dry storage i'd have no issue with the "i'm gonna get her going one day"
BUTTTTT

When they are put out to pasture for years and neglected they need a kick in the arse.

Looked like a perfectly good car at one point, what happened to it ? When gas got expensive he just parked it in the field ?

good point...they just have it out in the woods for the environments to attack the living day lights out of it and cant bring her back unless you buy the whole AMD cataloque.

[ACUDANUT]

I have never tried the pile of cash technique before I be too scared of getting robbed?  Right now im sitting on 20k in cash in 100's you ever seen them in real life stacked on each other?  Pretty impressive I must say....All this for a 68 charger im looking for and being picky as hell....it will be 30k in Feb. timeframe 

                     
I would go at it like this:


Step #1 - Bring an AMD catalog.  Start showing the owner how much money it will take to buy parts for that resto.  A minute or two of this will go a long way but too much will just insult & piss him off. 

Setp#2 -  Then start offering him a pile of CASH.  Use 20's so the pile looks bigger.  Don't promise an amount, don't talk trades, and don't offer to write a big check.  Put cash in front of his eyes.

Really where do you live and where is the money...Just joking, but as a L.E.O. I would not advertise this. My 2 cents

[Mike DC]

  

When you're bringing cash, there's no rule saying you have to go there alone and unarmed.  

You can also offer to buy the guy lunch and make the catalog/cash offer in a public place.
 



In most cases I think the extra persuasiveness of the cash tends to max out around $3000.  If you're not already succeeding with $4-5000 then you probably won't succeed with any amount.  If the car is worth more than that and you're still bargaining then you might as well go back to offering a check.

Yeah bigger amounts look impressive, but I think it's mostly about intoxicating the guy with the sight of more money than he'll ever make in a single paycheck.  It's the fact the he can SEE the money and he would get it RIGHT NOW - the importance of that part cannot be overstated.  It's a psychological thing.  Even if he just has to go to the bank and get a check cashed, that's already enough to take some of the emotional power away from the offer.  

Another factor is that a lot of guys make offers on derilect cars and they're just blowing smoke.  Showing cash proves you're serious.  It's probably not something you'd expect to be a factor but remember you're not responding to a Craigslist ad.  You're trying to convince someone who wasn't offering the car for sale.  

[1974dodgecharger]

NO biggie to me hahahaha....its in a bank vault if you can get past the security guards, the cameras, etc..I will gladly hand you the money and extra money in the vault.  I heard banks hold lots of money......

I have never tried the pile of cash technique before I be too scared of getting robbed?  Right now im sitting on 20k in cash in 100's you ever seen them in real life stacked on each other?  Pretty impressive I must say....All this for a 68 charger im looking for and being picky as hell....it will be 30k in Feb. timeframe 

                     
I would go at it like this:


Step #1 - Bring an AMD catalog.  Start showing the owner how much money it will take to buy parts for that resto.  A minute or two of this will go a long way but too much will just insult & piss him off. 

Setp#2 -  Then start offering him a pile of CASH.  Use 20's so the pile looks bigger.  Don't promise an amount, don't talk trades, and don't offer to write a big check.  Put cash in front of his eyes.

Really where do you live and where is the money...Just joking, but as a L.E.O. I would not advertise this. My 2 cents

[FastbackJon]

I think a lot of people just like owning potential because it feeds their "what if I could" dreams and imagination without ever actually having to do any work.

[Ghoste]

Interesting thought Jon, perhaps you're right.

[69rtse4spd]

Do what my bro did, a guy down the road from him had a '70 bee sitting out in the weather and my bro went and offered to store it for him free of charge in his barn.    Hopefully after a while the guy will break down and sell it to him

Good idea, if they are fairly close.

[tan top]

I think a lot of people just like owning potential because it feeds their "what if I could" dreams and imagination without ever actually having to do any work.

yeah could have a point there !!

Do what my bro did, a guy down the road from him had a '70 bee sitting out in the weather and my bro went and offered to store it for him free of charge in his barn.    Hopefully after a while the guy will break down and sell it to him

     good plan 

[ACUDANUT]

Get him drunk and bring cash and a trailer.

[Miller17m]

Kinda like this Dans 68?
how do you post pictures from a iPad??

[six-tee-nine]

Get him drunk and bring cash and a trailer.

Know a guy that got himself a Harley that way. Nasty but really cheap...

[Ghoste]

It's nothing new, Barrett-Jackson have sold hundreds of cars that way.

[BigBlackDodge]

If only someone would start a Charger rescue like they have animal rescues...  Sarah McLachlan could sing over the top of a commercial showing poor rusted out Chargers and beg people to donate money... "For just the price of a cup of coffee, you can make sure this adorable B-Body gets it's own gas, paint, and shelter... and you'll know you made a difference"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9t9zC91cG4&feature=related






BBD

[kikgas01]

 

When you're bringing cash, there's no rule saying you have to go there alone and unarmed.   

You can also offer to buy the guy lunch and make the catalog/cash offer in a public place.
 



In most cases I think the extra persuasiveness of the cash tends to max out around $3000.  If you're not already succeeding with $4-5000 then you probably won't succeed with any amount.  If the car is worth more than that and you're still bargaining then you might as well go back to offering a check.

Yeah bigger amounts look impressive, but I think it's mostly about intoxicating the guy with the sight of more money than he'll ever make in a single paycheck.  It's the fact the he can SEE the money and he would get it RIGHT NOW - the importance of that part cannot be overstated.  It's a psychological thing.  Even if he just has to go to the bank and get a check cashed, that's already enough to take some of the emotional power away from the offer.   

Another factor is that a lot of guys make offers on derilect cars and they're just blowing smoke.  Showing cash proves you're serious.  It's probably not something you'd expect to be a factor but remember you're not responding to a Craigslist ad.  You're trying to convince someone who wasn't offering the car for sale. 

Mike, that is how I got this!

Showed him a pile of cash and drove it home.

[Mike DC]

Yep, cash really works!


Nice score there.  Looks like it has a lot of intact stuff to work with.  

[aussiemuscle]

He's gonna fix it up someday.  

offer to help him. someday will be today.

[JB400]

He's gonna fix it up someday.  

offer to help him. someday will be today.

Let's get started.   Wrenches are ready.

[Brightyellow69rtse]

cash is king! mike dc is dead on. if you show up with a pile of cash im willing to bet since its just been rotting there hell cut it loose. people see that pile and greed takes over and before they know it the cash is in their pocket and your long gone!

[Mytur Binsdirti]

  wonder what the frame rails are like ?
   

What frame rails?   

[71_Charger_R/T]

Any pics of the air flows?

Here's a few of the Air Flows.      Not a real high probability the Charger will ever leave it's resting spot.....
So,so sad! 

[moparstuart]

wow love the air flows  , id throw a 392 hemi in one and drive it   

[71_Charger_R/T]

Thanks Stuart! We hope to put one back on the road. (the '37) probably sacrifice the other.

[bakerhillpins]

Those air flows are beautiful cars... The wife likes the older cars more than the Charger so one is in my future.    

[moparstuart]

Thanks Stuart! We hope to put one back on the road. (the '37) probably sacrifice the other.

if you dont use up the whole thing in parts id be interested in the left overs 

[nvrbdn]

  try it, he may fold.

[tan top]

  wonder what the frame rails are like ?
   

What frame rails?   

  exactly  , all that time on the dirt  ,  i'm bettiing  its not good 

[71_Charger_R/T]

  wonder what the frame rails are like ?
   

What frame rails?   

  exactly  , all that time on the dirt  ,  i'm bettiing  its not good 

The rear rails...... (only part I could see under, being bellied in like it is.) are GONE! They look like lace! The shifter is heaving up the tranny tunnel, so I'm sure the torsion bar crossmember has returned to earth.


Stuart; I will keep you in mind if you are serious. I'm only a couple and a half hours from Farmington, and I know you go there.

[model maker]

I think these jokers who let these cars sit in the dirt and rot have a screw loose somewhere. In the first post the guys mom said he had EVERY CAR HE EVER OWNED AND they are ALL SITTING & rotting away. Oh sure, he is going to fix them up SOMEDAY  That isn't going to happen ! what we have here is described in one word    HORDER, these people , well you have seen the shows with the horder houses ? most of these guys are horders, will never let these cars go and will just let them rot away to nothing but a rust stain in the dirt and overgrown brush. what a shame these people ever owned a car like these.

[Ghoste]

Car hoarding, they should do an episode about that.

[bakerhillpins]

Car hoarding, they should do an episode about that.

Careful what you wish for.  Ever watch that show? They end up cleaning the places out and throwing most of it away.

[Ghoste]

Actually I don't.  I figured they just showed you the places and all the crap they had.  I better take back my comment.

[JB400]

Car hoarding, they should do an episode about that.

Careful what you wish for.  Ever watch that show? They end up cleaning the places out and throwing most of it away.

They bring 3 or4 dumpsters in at a time and usually becomes a community effort to clean those places up.  It is unreal, unfortunately, a reality

[Ghoste]

Yeah, we don't want them doing that to the car hoarders, we just want the pile split up among folks who can use the cars even if only for parts.

[model maker]

Those horders on the tv shows are  sick, if you have ever seen the shows, people going in wear hazmat suits NO JOKE ! there is food that is 10 years old and rotted wear people gag and throw up from the smell. dead cat skeletons are often found under the mess on a floor thet hasn't seen daylight for years. The horder has to be there and review each thing that gets tossed and still fight to keep a molded, rotted whatever it is. these guys who do this to cars are  close to being if not being horders and will never let anything go even if it is to preserve it by someone who will do just that.

[TheAutoArchaeologist]

Those horders on the tv shows are  sick, if you have ever seen the shows, people going in wear hazmat suits NO JOKE ! there is food that is 10 years old and rotted wear people gag and throw up from the smell. dead cat skeletons are often found under the mess on a floor thet hasn't seen daylight for years. The horder has to be there and review each thing that gets tossed and still fight to keep a molded, rotted whatever it is. these guys who do this to cars are  close to being if not being horders and will never let anything go even if it is to preserve it by someone who will do just that.

That happened to me recently.  Guy had boarded up a barn in 1994 after someone broke in and stole some stuff.  He hadn't been in until we went in over the summer  We found a mummified cat while uncovering some 426 Hemi's he had lying on the floor.  I will not lie, I screamed for a second finding that cat.  Then he kicked it under a car and we moved on.

[model maker]

Man  oh man,  that por cats owner has been wondering where the cat was. he must have boarded it up pretty tight in order for a cat not finding a way out.

[Lord Warlock]

Don't bust on every person who holds on to old cars and thinks he'll restore or fix it up one day.  While its unlikely anyone will actually restore one that sits in a field where trees have grown up around it, its easy to see how that can happen to someone without a garage to store one in.  I built a two car garage just to store my old charger in, and for six years now the stealth has sat outside  while i worked on the charger slowly, eventually returning it to near streetable condition.  The stealth's paint has deteriorated to where i'll have to strip it and repaint it again, but mechanically, its whole drivetrain is new and ready to go but to the purists stealth community i'm letting it go too far while trees and bushes have grown on both sides. 

I was one of those that refused offers of well intentioned car rescuers who would knock on the door and offer bundles of cash, (usually about 1/3 of its worth) even 5 or 6k wasn't enough to make me blink an eye.  I did have one that offered 12k for it once, but even that wasn't near what they were selling for at the time.  If you truly want to save one, make an offer close to what its really worth, and explain to them what it actually costs to rebuild one.  You really don't have to spend 60k on a total restoration, if you have the time and most of the parts, you can bring one back for only 4 to 5k.  Its only the small details that tend to start draining the bank account as you progress.  I got my charger for 800 cash in 1978, drove it for a few years then stored it. I've put close to 4k into it in the last 5 years, and still have another 3 to 5k to go before i'll be happy with it, but from this stage i can display it in public and not be ashamed of what i've brought.  I've easily spent more than its auction value just storing it for this long.

[Ghoste]

I agree a lot of worthless offers come from cold callers but a lot of those people with cars rotting into the dirt like that also have some insanely inflated ideas of what their junk is worth too.

[stripedelete]

Imo,  it's the only thing of value they have or, and I believe much more likley, it's the only positive attentinion they have ever recieved.  Get rid of it, at any price, and they have nothing.  In any case, it's a shame.

[charger_fan_4ever]

if you have the time and most of the parts, you can bring one back for only 4 to 5k.  Its only the small details that tend to start draining the bank account as you progress. 

That is assuming you have a rust free car and just need to bondo dents ? Paint/materials are well over $1000. Does not leave much meat on the bone.

Case in point I and others have spent well over $5k in just metal.

[Lord Warlock]

indeed, painting can cost anywhere from 500 to 10,000 depending on whether you do it yourself or pay someone else to do it for you.  It cost me at least 1k to paint mine, and mine was almost rust free and needed no new panels.