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Started by MikeD, October 17, 2012, 11:42:09 PM

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MikeD


WHITE AND RED 69

I have the same thing but from a different supplier. Got mine from Reilly Motorsports with a wilwood master cylinder. Makes your brakes WAY better. Especially if you have a cam with low vacuum. My brakes used to be barely able to lock up the wheels, Now its just a slight push and the brakes will put you through the windshield.
1969 Dodge Charger R/T
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee 75th edition
1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee
1972 Plymouth Duster

Fred


I got mine from XV Motorsport and it doesn't compare to anything else. In my opinion it's the best.
Best braking ever.  :2thumbs:


Tomorrow is promised to no one.......drive your Charger today.

Dino

Dammit I'm gonna have to consider this, I see all you guys raving about these things and now I want one too!  But man that's another big chunk of change.  Is nothing affordable these days?   :eek2:
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

JB400

You might consider the one for an 81 Chevy 1 ton.  Just a thought.  I don't know what the price difference is if you bought one through O'reallies or Auto Zoned Out.  Something you might look into.

bill440rt

Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on October 18, 2012, 12:02:07 AM
I have the same thing but from a different supplier. Got mine from Reilly Motorsports with a wilwood master cylinder. Makes your brakes WAY better. Especially if you have a cam with low vacuum. My brakes used to be barely able to lock up the wheels, low its just a slight push and the brakes will put you through the windshield.


Ditto.
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

Dino

Quote from: stroker400 wedge on October 18, 2012, 07:05:13 AM
You might consider the one for an 81 Chevy 1 ton.  Just a thought.  I don't know what the price difference is if you bought one through O'reallies or Auto Zoned Out.  Something you might look into.

Those fit?

There's always a few on ebay out of dodge or chevy trucks and those are pretty cheap.  If one can be adapted I'm all for it!
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

JB400

I have no idea if they're a direct bolt on or not.  Might be something to look into.

bill440rt

IIRC you have to fab an adapter plate. The Hydratech unit is a bolt-in, comes with all hoses & hardware also. And a warranty.
:Twocents:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

MikeD

Can someone tell me how it works, I have drums non power with 6psi of vac. do I still need to buy power booster?

Thanks
MikeD

WHITE AND RED 69

Basically it uses the pressure off the power steering pump to power the brakes rather than the engine vacuum. The steering hose gets replaced with braided steel lines and reroutes the fluid to the booster then to the steering box and then back to the pump. It provides constant pressure to the booster so you have full power to your brakes at all time. It will not work though if you have drum brakes all the way around. You need to at least have disk brakes up front to use it.
1969 Dodge Charger R/T
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee 75th edition
1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee
1972 Plymouth Duster

MikeD

Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on October 18, 2012, 03:46:40 PM
Basically it uses the pressure off the power steering pump to power the brakes rather than the engine vacuum. The steering hose gets replaced with braided steel lines and reroutes the fluid to the booster then to the steering box and then back to the pump. It provides constant pressure to the booster so you have full power to your brakes at all time. It will not work though if you have drum brakes all the way around. You need to at least have disk brakes up front to use it.



Thanks for the info.

Mike


MikeD

Is there any other company's that make this ??????????????

JB400

Quote from: MikeD on November 14, 2012, 01:40:21 AM
Is there any other company's that make this ??????????????
:2thumbs:


Quote from: Fred on October 18, 2012, 01:53:58 AM

I got mine from XV Motorsport and it doesn't compare to anything else. In my opinion it's the best.
Best braking ever.  :2thumbs:
Quote from: bill440rt on October 18, 2012, 07:53:14 AM
IIRC you have to fab an adapter plate. The Hydratech unit is a bolt-in, comes with all hoses & hardware also. And a warranty.
:Twocents:
Quote from: MikeD on October 17, 2012, 11:42:09 PM
 HOW PREPPED HYDRAULIC BRAKE ASSIST UNIT

http://www.classicperform.com/Store2/Brakes/CP3003.htm

Back N Black

Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on October 18, 2012, 03:46:40 PM
Basically it uses the pressure off the power steering pump to power the brakes rather than the engine vacuum. The steering hose gets replaced with braided steel lines and reroutes the fluid to the booster then to the steering box and then back to the pump. It provides constant pressure to the booster so you have full power to your brakes at all time. It will not work though if you have drum brakes all the way around. You need to at least have disk brakes up front to use it.

If you blow a power steering line,do you lose your brakes?

Cooter

Quote from: Back N Black on November 14, 2012, 07:35:00 AM
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on October 18, 2012, 03:46:40 PM
Basically it uses the pressure off the power steering pump to power the brakes rather than the engine vacuum. The steering hose gets replaced with braided steel lines and reroutes the fluid to the booster then to the steering box and then back to the pump. It provides constant pressure to the booster so you have full power to your brakes at all time. It will not work though if you have drum brakes all the way around. You need to at least have disk brakes up front to use it.

If you blow a power steering line,do you lose your brakes?

No, you lose your POWER ASSIST for your brakes and once that happens, you haven't lived until you try and stop a hydo-boost set up with no assist.
" I have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours researching what works and what doesn't and I'm willing to share"

Dino

Quote from: Cooter on November 14, 2012, 07:38:35 AM
Quote from: Back N Black on November 14, 2012, 07:35:00 AM
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on October 18, 2012, 03:46:40 PM
Basically it uses the pressure off the power steering pump to power the brakes rather than the engine vacuum. The steering hose gets replaced with braided steel lines and reroutes the fluid to the booster then to the steering box and then back to the pump. It provides constant pressure to the booster so you have full power to your brakes at all time. It will not work though if you have drum brakes all the way around. You need to at least have disk brakes up front to use it.

If you blow a power steering line,do you lose your brakes?

No, you lose your POWER ASSIST for your brakes and once that happens, you haven't lived until you try and stop a hydo-boost set up with no assist.

Worse than losing the regular booster?  After I fixed my header I must've not put the vacuum hose on the booster properly and the next trip that sucker came off.  I was in town coming to a red light and I had to push with all my might to make that thing stop.  Not fun.

So if the power steering line goes you lose power steering AND power brake assist.  That's one hell of a workout! 
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

rebby

Quote from: Cooter on November 14, 2012, 07:38:35 AM
Quote from: Back N Black on November 14, 2012, 07:35:00 AM
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on October 18, 2012, 03:46:40 PM
Basically it uses the pressure off the power steering pump to power the brakes rather than the engine vacuum. The steering hose gets replaced with braided steel lines and reroutes the fluid to the booster then to the steering box and then back to the pump. It provides constant pressure to the booster so you have full power to your brakes at all time. It will not work though if you have drum brakes all the way around. You need to at least have disk brakes up front to use it.

If you blow a power steering line,do you lose your brakes?

No, you lose your POWER ASSIST for your brakes and once that happens, you haven't lived until you try and stop a hydo-boost set up with no assist.

Most hydroboost setups had a "reserve" to allow for the application of the brakes for up to 3 times before you'd lose power assist. By the time you fully brake 3 times, I'd expect that you'd notice your PS being out. That said, I've never lost my PS (or, by extension, my hydroboost) before so I can't comment from experience. I have driven a hydroboost equipped truck since 2003 though and, especially compared to vacuum assist, I really like the hydroboost setup.
Curt Rebelein, Junior
1969 Charger R/T SE (500 Stroker/833/D60 w/XP VIN)
1969 Charger (440/727/8.75, GL Project)

MikeD

Quote from: rebby on November 14, 2012, 10:47:26 AM
Quote from: Cooter on November 14, 2012, 07:38:35 AM
Quote from: Back N Black on November 14, 2012, 07:35:00 AM
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on October 18, 2012, 03:46:40 PM
Basically it uses the pressure off the power steering pump to power the brakes rather than the engine vacuum. The steering hose gets replaced with braided steel lines and reroutes the fluid to the booster then to the steering box and then back to the pump. It provides constant pressure to the booster so you have full power to your brakes at all time. It will not work though if you have drum brakes all the way around. You need to at least have disk brakes up front to use it.

If you blow a power steering line,do you lose your brakes?

No, you lose your POWER ASSIST for your brakes and once that happens, you haven't lived until you try and stop a hydo-boost set up with no assist.


Most hydroboost setups had a "reserve" to allow for the application of the brakes for up to 3 times before you'd lose power assist. By the time you fully brake 3 times, I'd expect that you'd notice your PS being out. That said, I've never lost my PS (or, by extension, my hydroboost) before so I can't comment from experience. I have driven a hydroboost equipped truck since 2003 though and, especially compared to vacuum assist, I really like the hydroboost setup.
Where is the reseve ??

Fred

.arrow marks the spot. (reserve)


Tomorrow is promised to no one.......drive your Charger today.

JB400


MikeD


Fred

Quote from: stroker400 wedge on November 15, 2012, 01:09:34 AM
I thought X marks the spot :shruggy: :nana:

You're right of course but I figured if I wrote that we'd all be looking for a very long time.  :lol:


Tomorrow is promised to no one.......drive your Charger today.

JB400

Quote from: Fred on November 15, 2012, 01:17:21 AM
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on November 15, 2012, 01:09:34 AM
I thought X marks the spot :shruggy: :nana:

You're right of course but I figured if I wrote that we'd all be looking for a very long time.  :lol:
We need to save time to spot the cat.

Fred

Quote from: stroker400 wedge on November 15, 2012, 01:29:29 AM
Quote from: Fred on November 15, 2012, 01:17:21 AM
Quote from: stroker400 wedge on November 15, 2012, 01:09:34 AM
I thought X marks the spot :shruggy: :nana:

You're right of course but I figured if I wrote that we'd all be looking for a very long time.  :lol:
We need to save time to spot the cat.

Yes, I must post up another one soon.


Tomorrow is promised to no one.......drive your Charger today.

bill440rt

Right, the little canister provides enough reserve to stop the car safely, about 3 additional stops.
After that, from what I was told with the Wilwood M/C I'm running it would equate to stopping a car with regular manual brakes.
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

1970Moparmann

Quote from: MikeD on October 17, 2012, 11:42:09 PM
  HOW PREPPED HYDRAULIC BRAKE ASSIST UNIT

http://www.classicperform.com/Store2/Brakes/CP3003.htm

I have a Hydroboost on my 68 and out of everything I did to the car, this by far was the #1 upgrade I did.  Even better than the 5 speed.  Just my  :Twocents::2thumbs:
My name is Mike and I'm a Moparholic!

rebby

Quote from: bill440rt on November 15, 2012, 07:30:12 AM
Right, the little canister provides enough reserve to stop the car safely, about 3 additional stops.
After that, from what I was told with the Wilwood M/C I'm running it would equate to stopping a car with regular manual brakes.

FWIW, some hydroboost setups utilize an internal reserve (ie: no "little canister"). Just know what you're buying and be sure whatever you go with has some sort of reserve.
Curt Rebelein, Junior
1969 Charger R/T SE (500 Stroker/833/D60 w/XP VIN)
1969 Charger (440/727/8.75, GL Project)

MikeD

OK now here is the???? of the day which brake set is the best one for this unit.

Thanks

WHITE AND RED 69

What size wheels are you running? Baer and wilwood have sets that fit 15" wheels and have big sets for 17" and up. Dr. Diff also sells some cobra caliper kits for a good price. Good thing about the wilwoods is they fit the drum spindle. I have a set of wilwoods with a 10.75" rotor on mine right now and they work great with the hydroboost. A 100 times better than the old power booster. But I do feel that the small rotors struggle with size and weight of the car so I am planning on going to a Baer kit with big calipers and 13" rotors in the spring.  :cheers:
1969 Dodge Charger R/T
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee 75th edition
1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee
1972 Plymouth Duster

WHITE AND RED 69

Quote from: 1970Moparmann on November 15, 2012, 08:40:58 AM
Quote from: MikeD on October 17, 2012, 11:42:09 PM
  HOW PREPPED HYDRAULIC BRAKE ASSIST UNIT

http://www.classicperform.com/Store2/Brakes/CP3003.htm

I have a Hydroboost on my 68 and out of everything I did to the car, this by far was the #1 upgrade I did.  Even better than the 5 speed.  Just my  :Twocents::2thumbs:

Totally agree. Just knowing that you can make your car handle a quick emergency stop is worth the price. But a 5 speed would be soooo nice. I cant wait to get out of the slow lane on the highway.
1969 Dodge Charger R/T
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee 75th edition
1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee
1972 Plymouth Duster

bill440rt

Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on November 15, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
What size wheels are you running? Baer and wilwood have sets that fit 15" wheels and have big sets for 17" and up. Dr. Diff also sells some cobra caliper kits for a good price. Good thing about the wilwoods is they fit the drum spindle. I have a set of wilwoods with a 10.75" rotor on mine right now and they work great with the hydroboost. A 100 times better than the old power booster. But I do feel that the small rotors struggle with size and weight of the car so I am planning on going to a Baer kit with big calipers and 13" rotors in the spring.  :cheers:

You'll love the bigger 13" kit with the hydroboost. The 6-piston Wil's with the hydroboost are awesome.  :yesnod:  Very positive feeling for sure.
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

WHITE AND RED 69

Quote from: bill440rt on November 15, 2012, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on November 15, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
What size wheels are you running? Baer and wilwood have sets that fit 15" wheels and have big sets for 17" and up. Dr. Diff also sells some cobra caliper kits for a good price. Good thing about the wilwoods is they fit the drum spindle. I have a set of wilwoods with a 10.75" rotor on mine right now and they work great with the hydroboost. A 100 times better than the old power booster. But I do feel that the small rotors struggle with size and weight of the car so I am planning on going to a Baer kit with big calipers and 13" rotors in the spring.  :cheers:

You'll love the bigger 13" kit with the hydroboost. The 6-piston Wil's with the hydroboost are awesome.  :yesnod:  Very positive feeling for sure.

Hey Bill! Glad to hear you like the Wilwoods. I have been going back and forth between the Wilwoods and Baers. Have you had any complaints with your setup?
1969 Dodge Charger R/T
2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee 75th edition
1999 Jeep Grand Cherokee
1972 Plymouth Duster

MikeD

Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on November 15, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
What size wheels are you running? Baer and wilwood have sets that fit 15" wheels and have big sets for 17" and up. Dr. Diff also sells some cobra caliper kits for a good price. Good thing about the wilwoods is they fit the drum spindle. I have a set of wilwoods with a 10.75" rotor on mine right now and they work great with the hydroboost. A 100 times better than the old power booster. But I do feel that the small rotors struggle with size and weight of the car so I am planning on going to a Baer kit with big calipers and 13" rotors in the spring.  :cheers:

Iam running on 15" wheels. I have been looking SSBC, Wilwoods, also some sets from PST, I can not go to crazy the hydrboost is going to be about 1100.00 everything include, Iam also drop the front and redoing that.Iam going to check out this Dr. Diffbut from what I see I going to been spending  about 800.00 to 1000.00 for the brakes.

Thanks Mike

bill440rt

Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on November 18, 2012, 12:37:23 AM
Quote from: bill440rt on November 15, 2012, 10:47:51 PM
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on November 15, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
What size wheels are you running? Baer and wilwood have sets that fit 15" wheels and have big sets for 17" and up. Dr. Diff also sells some cobra caliper kits for a good price. Good thing about the wilwoods is they fit the drum spindle. I have a set of wilwoods with a 10.75" rotor on mine right now and they work great with the hydroboost. A 100 times better than the old power booster. But I do feel that the small rotors struggle with size and weight of the car so I am planning on going to a Baer kit with big calipers and 13" rotors in the spring.  :cheers:

You'll love the bigger 13" kit with the hydroboost. The 6-piston Wil's with the hydroboost are awesome.  :yesnod:  Very positive feeling for sure.

Hey Bill! Glad to hear you like the Wilwoods. I have been going back and forth between the Wilwoods and Baers. Have you had any complaints with your setup?


Once I got everything dialed in, no complaints here. I liked the fact that I did not have to swap spindles, either.
I had a few bugs. The rear calipers were leaking fluid. I thought they were bad, sent them back & it turned out to be just assembly lube. They must have used a lot, because they were dripping for a while. Put them back on & they were fine. Also had a leaky bleeder screw (they are a two-piece job). I bled the brakes for a long time to get all the air out. I must have over-tightened the bleeder & got a leak. Had to order a replacement. Real minor stuff.
I think it's a real nice system. Way better designed than the SSBC crap I had. It works really well with the hydro boost.  :yesnod:
:cheers:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

MikeD

Quote from: MikeD on November 18, 2012, 01:54:12 AM
Quote from: WHITE AND RED 69 on November 15, 2012, 04:43:15 PM
What size wheels are you running? Bear and wilwood have sets that fit 15" wheels and have big sets for 17" and up. Dr. Diff also sells some cobra caliper kits for a good price. Good thing about the wilwoods is they fit the drum spindle. I have a set of wilwoods with a 10.75" rotor on mine right now and they work great with the hydroboost. A 100 times better than the old power booster. But I do feel that the small rotors struggle with size and weight of the car so I am planning on going to a Baer kit with big calipers and 13" rotors in the spring.  :cheers:

Iam running on 15" wheels. I have been looking SSBC, Wilwoods, also some sets from PST, I can not go to crazy the hydrboost is going to be about 1100.00 everything include, Iam also drop the front and redoing that.Iam going to check out this Dr. Diffbut from what I see I going to been spending  about 800.00 to 1000.00 for the brakes.


OK Guys now it is time to order the brakes I would like to use 11" rotors, its between Bear and Wilwood can you guys tell which setup you are ruining also if possible the part number to the KIT



Thanks Mike