Bobby Isaac 's 69/70 ? # 71 short track car

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 found this while searching for charger stuff , can't understand the lingo , but  good pictures 

http://www.trombinoscar.com/dodge/dg6919.html

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[Ghoste]

Nice, very nice.  Thanks for posting those I hadn't seen them before. 

[68X426]

I could understand the part about 38 top ten finishes and 11 victories.

Nice find, thanks.

[Dino]

That's funny, most of the cars, Charger included, are listed as having 2 doors and 6 seats.  They have the door part right but I don't think my passengers would like being crammed in a charger like that.  I'm 5' 11" and have my seat almost all the way back and I can barely fit myself behind it on the back seat.  

[Troy]

That's funny, most of the cars, Charger included, are listed as having 2 doors and 6 seats.  They have the door part right but I don't think my passengers would like being crammed in a charger like that.  I'm 5' 11" and have my seat almost all the way back and I can barely fit myself behind it on the back seat. 

I saw 6 latino guys in a regular cab F150 yesterday. You are obviously doing it wrong!

Troy

[JB400]

Is it just me, or does it look like it has the stock 69 grill in behind the wire mesh? You have to look real close. To be honest, that's the first 69 stock car I've seen that wasn't a 500 or Daytona.

[Aero426]

My opinion is that this car was built from a real 1966 Plymouth race chassis.   But I don't believe it ever raced as a K & K Dodge.    My understanding is that it was likely converted over to the Charger body in modern times.   It has a stock style 1966-67 dash in the car.   The new Mopar stock cars for '68 and up had a dedicated racing dash that was fabricated and did not use the stock dash pad.

[Ghoste]

A display only piece huh?

[Aero426]

A display only piece huh?

It's real history has been erased by the conversion to a more popular body and livery.

[Aero426]

Cage bars at the A-pillar should be welded right to the A-pillar.   No gap should be showing. 

[Dino]

That's funny, most of the cars, Charger included, are listed as having 2 doors and 6 seats.  They have the door part right but I don't think my passengers would like being crammed in a charger like that.  I'm 5' 11" and have my seat almost all the way back and I can barely fit myself behind it on the back seat. 

I saw 6 latino guys in a regular cab F150 yesterday. You are obviously doing it wrong!

Troy

[Ghoste]

Hey Doug, did Bobby run a 69 short track car like that at all then?  I've photos of the 70 short track car but thats all.

[Hemidog]

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[Aero426]

Hey Doug, did Bobby run a 69 short track car like that at all then?  I've photos of the 70 short track car but thats all.

Usually the Charger 500 or '70 Charger.  Don't recall seeing a photo of a standard model '69 nose.   There was a thread about standard 69 Chargers on the Randy Ayers modeling site not too long ago.   

[odcics2]

I have photos that I'll have to dig up taken in the late 1980s, when this car was freshly converted to an Isaac #71 from a lowly 67 Plymouth 'no name' race car. 
You will be able to see which cage bars have been cut out, where it was painted over the light blue, where the body has been 'adjusted' to fit better, where the inner trunk extensions were widened to fit the 'new' 69 body panels.  Oddly enough - the dash remains the same!!   

It was in the Kansas City area, back then. Maybe someone remembers it and who the guy was that built it.

It IS a race car, just not an original #71 Isaac car...   

Isaac ran a Charger 500 short track car in 69... 

 

[moparstuart]

I will ask around  maybe wayne will remember the car  ?

[moparstuart]

 here is what wayne remembers of the car 



     
Yes I remember this car, it was in Shawnee 68th between Neiman & Quivera area??  It belonged to Mike Kempton.  He claimed Harry Hyde looked at the car and said it was real. 

[Ghoste]

So who made it into a 71 car?

[odcics2]

The quality of the "conversion" to a 'K&K" was so poor, I don't believe Harry Hyde would have been associated with it. 

[Ghoste]

Then why would they display it?  (a rhetorical question btw)

[Mikesmoparperformance]

Awesome photo's thanks! Never saw this before always the 500 But never this one

[Aero426]

Then why would they display it?  (a rhetorical question btw)

There are not a whole lot of people who have an idea of what a correct Chrysler stock car should look like.    The short list does not include most museum curators.     Cars are often accepted for display because they represent the era, if not 100 percent authentic.   Or they are accepted on the word of the owner.    The pickin's for available cars is pretty small.      

You can walk through any number of racing oriented museums and find cars that are not quite what they represent.   They may be real cars with lesser histories painted up as a more famous car.     Or it may be a very historic car, but with the wrong paint job.   Or it may be a total fake.   To a large degree, the general public will buy whatever it says on the sign.    

[Mike DC]

                                 
I've wondered if that '69 was really accurate.  The cage does look like it belongs in something older, especially the straight vertical sides of that main hoop.  

Every surviving Mopar NASCAR that once raced as a 1969 model . . . seems like they all get restored as wing cars.

 

I'm surprised there aren't any decent modern replicas of these cars.  Even the magazine-worthy replicas are still invariably just production unibodies with cages welded into them at best.  I can't recall ever seeing a replica that sits correctly, with the body mounted lower on the undercarriage than stock.  

[Aero426]

                                 
Every surviving Mopar NASCAR that once raced as a 1969 model . . . seems like they all get restored as wing cars.

Not only that,  but there is a newer chassis out there ('74-ish) that has been backdated to be a Daytona.  

[Ghoste]

Would it be poor manners for someone to ask what wing car its going to be portrayed as?

[moparstuart]

                                 
Every surviving Mopar NASCAR that once raced as a 1969 model . . . seems like they all get restored as wing cars.

Not only that,  but there is a newer chassis out there ('74-ish) that has been backdated to be a Daytona.  

They all Won a big race too 

[odcics2]

                                 
Every surviving Mopar NASCAR that once raced as a 1969 model . . . seems like they all get restored as wing cars.

Not only that,  but there is a newer chassis out there ('74-ish) that has been backdated to be a Daytona.  

They all Won a big race too 

Or set a record!!   

[odcics2]

UPDATE-

The car in question was the K&K 67 Charger, #37.  Last driven by Bobby at the 1968 Riverside 500 race.

It was updated to later 1969 Charger body by the guy in Kansas City around 1990 and lettered up to resemble a #71 K&K Dodge.

YES, real K&K 1967 Charger.  
NO, not driven by Bobby in the 1970 Championship year.

It was stated that Bobby drove 2 1970 tunnelback Chargers and a 69 Charger 500 in 1970, winning the Championship.   THAT IS TRUE.  

A 1969 tunnelback Charger was not driven by Isaac, in 69 or 70...  

Here's the real 1970 K&K short track car.
Compare the main hoop location by the door-1/4 panel intersection.  Check out the gap.
Compare where the "A" bars sit next to the windshield.  No gap for the real car.
Gap for the car updated from a 1967 chassis. 

[odcics2]

Pics of the car, before being skinned to a 69 Charger body in 1990.

If you found this, no name of the driver on it, would you guess K&K guys??   No, I wouldn't have either!!

[Aero426]

Look at the bars coming down at the A-pillar.   See how narrow they are?     On a '68-'70 Nichels build, they would be welded right up against the A-pillar like the '70 Charger shown two posts up for strength.    

[odcics2]

And they ran THREE hood pins, not 4 in 69-70....   

[chargervert]

The wheel openings are not flared like they were on Isaac's Chargers.

[tan top]

good information ! thanks for sharing 

[odcics2]

The wheel openings are not flared like they were on Isaac's Chargers.

Another good call...   

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[chargervert]

That roll cage  down tube looks about as tight to the A pillar as possible!

[odcics2]

That roll cage  down tube looks about as tight to the A pillar as possible!

Welded directly to it!!   

[odcics2]

I found my pics from 1991 when the 67 #37 K&K fastback Charger got a 69 body and the #71 put on it.

I'll post them soon...

[Mike DC]

 
What was this car?  

The pic is usually labeled as the '68 Atlanta 500.  But I remember seeing video clip of that race and it looked like a different #71 car.  

This one seems sort of out-of-time for the #71s of the period.  I'm guessing it's a '68 grille.  But the vent windows are missing.  The front end looks kind of snubbed for aero gains (look at the profile of the hood's center ridge and the fender tops).  That front end would not have passed the first long template.  The front wheelwheel is very opened-up.  The bottom of the fender is rolled back/up ahead of the front wheel. 

The whole roof almost looks chopped (or the windshield just laid back) too.  But that could be an artifact of the photography.   

[Mytur Binsdirti]

I found my pics from 1991 when the 67 #37 K&K fastback Charger got a 69 body and the #71 put on it.

I'll post them soon...

[oldgold69]

 

[odcics2]

Here they are. Taken in 1991.
Right after the 67 Charger body was removed and a 1969 body installed.
Note the door to 1/4 by the glass!   Not even close to fitting!
Inside trunk has all the rear light stuff, which a real 69 race car didn't.
Fenders look stock, because they are!  Not race prepped at all!!
Check out the torsion bar adjuster... yeah, under the car because that's how a 1967 car was!!

More stuff - like the "suitcase" under the Dutchman!!   Guy doing the conversion didn't know it was supposed to be removed on race cars...

Over the years, "somebody" updated the car to look more "real" as a 1969.  Bobby Isaac never sat in this car as a 1969.
BUT he did drive it in 1967 and early 1968 when it was a 1967 #37 fastback Charger. YES, it is a REAL K&K Dodge.
Just not a 1969 tunnel back Charger.   Enjoy the photos.   Maybe someone has some of the car as it sits in the Museum
to compare.  

I suggest downloading the pics and flipping them to see the details better.  I had them all straight and they flipped when posting.   

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  good pictures Greg ! thanks for sharing  

[Mytur Binsdirti]