572 HEMI going in my new build

[Daytona Guy]

I finally ordered my 572 HEMI - Mine will have the stock wrinkle valve covers and be all HEMI Orange -

Any advice on fitting this thing in my Daytona - I'm all ears.

Dane

[68X426]

Who's building the motor? 

[Daytona Guy]

Who's building the motor? 

Indy

[Ghoste]

My Charger is turning green with envy right now.

[twodko]

Mine too.

[DadsCharger00]

I may have just had an accident......  .... Wow

[RIDELIKEHELL]

I said pardon ....

[triple_green]

wow...

[Ghoste]

I said pardon ....

The Champ?

[Brutalowner]

I guess that's how it all starts.... You start looking around for valve covers, and the next thing you know.....

[1974dodgecharger]

20k later.....

[twodko]

Only $18,900 at summit. 

[Patronus]

Why not run the new McLeod trans with a Mark Williams rear-end? 

[Daytona Guy]

Thanks guys, any advice from those who installed a HEMI in a Charger?

Dane

[JB400]

I finally ordered my 572 HEMI - Mine will have the stock wrinkle valve covers and be all HEMI Orange -

Any advice on fitting this thing in my Daytona - I'm all ears.

Dane

Let's prefit it in my car first.  Gotta make sure its going to fit.   Your going to have so much fun with that, it hurts.

[Ghoste]

Dane, the engine bay is empty now correct?  That is, no brake booster or master cylinder and such in the way?

[PocketThunder]

Is this your yellow daytona that you have repainted blue or a new one?

[Charger-Bodie]

The problem with the schumaker mounts is that they set the engine too high from what I'm told. I used a repro  HEMI k crime mega parts . Everything bolted together perfectly like its supposed to.

www.megapartsusa.com

[firefighter3931]

If you plan to rack up a lot of miles you might want to consider talking to Indy regarding camshaft options. Solid rollers make excellent power but there is a lot of required maintenance. Roller lifters, valvesprings and bronze gears all have a 3000-4000 mile lifespan. 

Not sure what rockers Indy uses on these builds but if they're anything like their ICH wedge rockers don't expect them to last long at roller cam spring pressures either. 

The 4.5 stroke is awesome....power right off idle to redline. You'll never be able to hook it on the street....expect lots of tire smoke if you stab it past 1/2 throttle from a dead stop.   


Ron

[Daytona Guy]

Dane, the engine bay is empty now correct?  That is, no brake booster or master cylinder and such in the way?

Correct

Have a HEMI booster and coming $222.00
Just picked up a new Master Cyl for, get this, $20.00

Here is a question I have. I want to go to Manual steering and get rid of power. Where and how can I do this? Will my steering column work? 

Dane

[Daytona Guy]

The problem with the schumaker mounts is that they set the engine too high from what I'm told. I used a repro  HEMI k crime mega parts . Everything bolted together perfectly like its supposed to.

www.megapartsusa.com

I heard that too. I do have them ordered though. It can't raise the engine too much or the engine would hit the tranny fire wall on top. From their website they claim it sits the same. I also heard it raises it a little - and so will my "Mod Man" intake, but I believe I will make it up in the air cleaner I will modify. I'm not real fond of the chrome dome, although I will use an aftermarket one that I will modify to fit this Mod Man intake. Indy claims placing the quads further apart is an advantage in tuning these quads.

Dane

[Daytona Guy]

If you plan to rack up a lot of miles you might want to consider talking to Indy regarding camshaft options. Solid rollers make excellent power but there is a lot of required maintenance. Roller lifters, valvesprings and bronze gears all have a 3000-4000 mile lifespan.  

Not sure what rockers Indy uses on these builds but if they're anything like their ICH wedge rockers don't expect them to last long at roller cam spring pressures either.  

The 4.5 stroke is awesome....power right off idle to redline. You'll never be able to hook it on the street....expect lots of tire smoke if you stab it past 1/2 throttle from a dead stop.    


Ron

I'm hoping that they are not "solid", I was assuming they are hydraulic lifters. They are using a roller cam and roller rockers. I will not be winding this thing up. I will talk to them. I don't wont it to hook up that much - too much stress on the car with the rear window plug.

Dane

[472 R/T SE]

A Hemi booster for $222.?  Wow, that's incredibly cheap.  Is it an original Bendix?

When I put mine in, the bracketry alone was over $1k.  I know the guy who builds the reproduction stuff.  He's actually down your way.  His bracketry is for the standard Bendix though IIRC, as you prolly know the Hemi Bendix has a different bolt pattern.


My only advice would be to install the motor from the bottom, like the factory.  If you go that route, you'll have to pull a valve cover.  With those bigger heads you might need to pull both?  Going that route you'll also be able drop the K frame a few inches if needed for hood clearance.


Tom Benson just bought a '68 Satellite vert that someone paid Steve Miles a load of $$ to restore.  It had Indy heads & he couldn't close the hood.  He ended up using a Super Stock hood. 



As for the steering.  You can always contact Firm Feel.  They're up here in Vancouver, Wa.



As for the motor installation.  If you didn't mind farming out some work I'd contact Tom Benson.  He's done a bunch over the years.  He's of the mindset now of not pulling/installing motors from the top.  Of course he has the tools, (overhead lift, dolly set up)

[Daytona Guy]

Have a HEMI booster and coming $222.00
Just picked up a new Master Cyl for, get this, $20.00


A Hemi booster for $222.?  Wow, that's incredibly cheap.  Is it an original Bendix?****


*****When I put mine in, the bracketry alone was over $1k.  I know the guy who builds the reproduction stuff.  He's actually down your way.  His bracketry is for the standard Bendix though IIRC, as you prolly know the Hemi Bendix has a different bolt pattern.*****







I have seen this used in a B - Body - looks good, and I might go black.

**********My only advice would be to install the motor from the bottom, like the factory.  If you go that route, you'll have to pull a valve cover.  With those bigger heads you might need to pull both?  Going that route you'll also be able drop the K frame a few inches if needed for hood clearance. ******

Not all Indy heads are the same. They make a set that breath better. Mine are the same as MP in height. I like the idea of lowering the K frame if I have a problem. That may cause some suspension geometry problems for the uppers?

___________________________

Tom Benson just bought a '68 Satellite vert that someone paid Steve Miles a load of $$ to restore.  It had Indy heads & he couldn't close the hood.  He ended up using a Super Stock hood. 



As for the steering.  You can always contact Firm Feel.  They're up here in Vancouver, Wa.



As for the motor installation.  If you didn't mind farming out some work I'd contact Tom Benson.  He's done a bunch over the years.  He's of the mindset now of not pulling/installing motors from the top.  Of course he has the tools, (overhead lift, dolly set up)

Thanks man,

Dane

[Ghoste]

The steering column for power steering is shorter than manual, I believe there is an adapter you can get.

[1974dodgecharger]

either I wanted to say, "bejesus thats a huge motor'

[6pkrtse]

When I put my street Hemi in my 70 Charger. I used the Schumacher motor mount kit & everything else was from the car when it had the 440 in it. The K-Frame, brake booser, power steering gear box, throttle cable. I ran Hooker Super Comp headers & only had to ding the #1 tube in one spot to clear the power sterring line fitting. Pretty much a bolt in deal. Engine did not sit to high to me. I used the dual inline street Hemi Intake with newer style Carter 750's (same as Edelbrocks) with a fiberglass repop oval aircleaner & a 3" K&N air filter. All cleared under the stock hood.

[Troy]

Here is a question I have. I want to go to Manual steering and get rid of power. Where and how can I do this? Will my steering column work? 

Dane

As mentioned, there is an adapter to fit the manual box to a PS column. Firm Feel makes one:
http://www.firmfeel.com/column_adapt_b.html

Troy

[Daytona Guy]

Here is a question I have. I want to go to Manual steering and get rid of power. Where and how can I do this? Will my steering column work? 

Dane

As mentioned, there is an adapter to fit the manual box to a PS column. Firm Feel makes one:
http://www.firmfeel.com/column_adapt_b.html

Troy

Yes, I saw that. I believe they make it out of gold

Dane

[moparstuart]

Here is a question I have. I want to go to Manual steering and get rid of power. Where and how can I do this? Will my steering column work? 

Dane

As mentioned, there is an adapter to fit the manual box to a PS column. Firm Feel makes one:
http://www.firmfeel.com/column_adapt_b.html

Troy

Yes, I saw that. I believe they make it out of gold

Dane

http://www.steerandgear.com/Chrysler_Catalog.html#TXTOBJ7DB1219F302938E1
125.00 seems to be the going rate  Steer & Gear also has them

    http://www.steerandgear.com/Chrysler_Catalog.html#TXTOBJ7DB1219F302938E1

[200MPH]

wow 572 
ive heard different rumblings out about INDY customer service

[Daytona Guy]

wow 572 
ive heard different rumblings out about INDY customer service

They are not the most friendly people. I do seem like a hassle to them. But I have heard from others that their HEMI's work and live up to the hype, unlike some of MP's 2x4. These are all tuned before you get them.

By the way, this is a solid lifter roller cam and rockers. I asked them for hydraulic lifters, should I have? Anyone?

Dane

[sound5262]

dane, be sure to ask dick at firm feel about the ?'s you have about the mounting of the engine i'm sure he can help you out. he has dave marcus' #30 daytona that has the 426 in it.

[cdr]

wow 572 
ive heard different rumblings out about INDY customer service

They are not the most friendly people. I do seem like a hassle to them. But I have heard from others that their HEMI's work and live up to the hype, unlike some of MP's 2x4. These are all tuned before you get them.

By the way, this is a solid lifter roller cam and rockers. I asked them for hydraulic lifters, should I have? Anyone?

Dane

yes on the hydraulic lifters

[jb666]

 I went the solid mount route and love every second the car's running...

The only other thing I could suggest is a real good set of seat belts.. you'll need'm. 

[Wango Mango]

Thanks guys, any advice from those who installed a HEMI in a Charger?

Dane
[/quote
Valve cover clearance will be tight, but your stock covers will have a little more clearance room than
my bro's Stage 5 covers.  (They don't call it the Elephant for nothing!)  As far as headers go, the TTI's fit the best.
We installed the 5210 Hookers, but they were a nightmare.  Are you using a Hemi K frame?  What mounts are
you using?   Your Charger looks beautiful in  that blue.  Can't wait to see pics.

[JB400]

I dig the not Hemi orange Hemi air cleaner.   Good color combo

[Daytona Guy]

Can we get more pics of that blue HEMI - like some side shots - who's is that?

Dane

[Charger-Bodie]

Same, I don't know if you've ordered your hemi yet, but when I did mine I takes to all of them and TIM Banning at FHO was the most inforitive and has a solid rep. To top it off he was less money than arruzza and indy. I love my FHO Hemi.

[200MPH]

Same, I don't know if you've ordered your hemi yet, but when I did mine I takes to all of them and TIM Banning at FHO was the most inforitive and has a solid rep. To top it off he was less money than arruzza and indy. I love my FHO Hemi.

and it runs like a top!

[Ghoste]

He's one that I have heard nothing but praise for.

[Charger-Bodie]

He's one that I have heard nothing but praise for.

With good reason, I believe.

[472 R/T SE]

Another vote for Tim.

I made the mistake of not researching enough about the Hemis' when I bought mine.  I've been lucky, I ran the Part # (serial) on mine & there were a batch of motors with my # included that were a good batch.  Pretty bad when Mopar's tech line will tell you certain Part # batches were junk from the start.

Even after all that Tim answered every dumb (I'm sure he gets asked the same question 5 times a day) question I had with a great attitude.  He also informed me I could have bought the same motor from him for the same price. 

I did buy my Stage V intake, carbs, linkage & air cleaner from him.




Dane, do you have a spare Bendix booster laying around.  I'd love to see if one would fit the bracketry of the booster set up you bought.  Initially I had planned on going the Bendix route but the guy who was suppose to make my set hadn't even started on it, 4 months of time.  So I went your route.  Trust me, you need to paint everything all together so that generic booster doesn't stick out like a sore thumb.

I now have 2 Bendix boosters'.  I'd like to change mine out but don't want to spend over $1k for the bracketry.  Maybe if it was build for a Hemi booster I'd dish out the $.

[mauve66]

whats FHO??

[Charger-Bodie]

FHO For Hemis Only. An awesome engine shop in Canada that specializes in gen 2 Hemi engines.

[mauve66]

 

[Daytona Guy]

Thanks guys, any advice from those who installed a HEMI in a Charger?

Dane
[/quote
Valve cover clearance will be tight, but your stock covers will have a little more clearance room than
my bro's Stage 5 covers.  (They don't call it the Elephant for nothing!)  As far as headers go, the TTI's fit the best.
We installed the 5210 Hookers, but they were a nightmare.  Are you using a Hemi K frame?  What mounts are
you using?   Your Charger looks beautiful in  that blue.  Can't wait to see pics.

I'm going with Schumacher mounts. From the picture I can't see how they are any higher than stock. They are supposed to fit right to my K-frame.

Anyone recomend solid lifters with roller rockers and roller cam?

1hotdaytona - what is your cam size? You can see the one I'm getting in the pic - is the one I'm getting too big?

[Daytona Guy]

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I need some charger trim. That little corner piece, and the stainless trim for the rear windows and doors. Any ideas?

Dane



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[RednblackAttack72]

looks good dad!!!!

[Indygenerallee]

I agree if I were to buy a Hemi it would be from FHO and steer clear of Indy, way too high priced for what you get from them. Looking great Dane!

[Daytona Guy]

I agree if I were to buy a Hemi it would be from FHO and steer clear of Indy, way too high priced for what you get from them. Looking great Dane!

I went to their site and they did not make a 572 or it was some crazy build. I have to say they need some real help on their webpage, very uninformative.

Dane

[Charger-Bodie]

Their focus is on Hemi engines. The website is pretty vaugue, Just call and talk to Tim. He is a very personable guy to ask the things you want to know about going with a Hemi.

[Scaregrabber]

Tim at FHO wants to talk to you in person so he can custom build an engine to suit you better. That's why he doesn't have a generic, feel good website just to make a sale like some others. I have been dealing with Tim for quite a long time as well and I have never seen better workmanship. I also strongly recommend you talk to him. We all work too hard for our money to not get the best value we can.

Sheldon

[Rolling_Thunder]

Not sure what rockers Indy uses on these builds but if they're anything like their ICH wedge rockers don't expect them to last long at roller cam spring pressures either. 
Ron

INDY uses their own rocker arms...    I've had three come apart on me on a customer's Hemi...     Granted they sent replacements but I didn't trust those either.

[Daytona Guy]

Got my HEMI badging done – in place of "MOD MAN"..

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Looks good, should be a lot of fun!   

[Ghoste]

Does it ever look good!

[firefighter3931]

Looks great ! 

Got a dyno sheet and build specs ? 

This one would be nice to have for the Proven Combo's Forum 



Ron

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

Yummy!! 

[JB400]

Looks good   Wish I had one.  Maybe someday

[skip68]

 

[lasvegas69charg]

that is a huge a$$ motor. 

[Wicked72]

Better be some vids my friend!!! or ill steal your car and makem myself!!!!! 

[Daytona Guy]

Looks great !  

Got a dyno sheet and build specs ?  

This one would be nice to have for the Proven Combo's Forum  



Ron

Thanks for the comps...

Specs are

4200 rpm trq 738 Hp 590 -  
5700 rpm trq 657 Hp 713 -

I'm choking it down to most likely 665 HP - because I'm running a more stock look - with exhaust manifolds into 3" exhaust with straight through mufflers. It will be loud.

We will have to see how it runs. My combo is "unliked" by some, so drivability is very important to me - and being really loud I will report later.

I have more room down the side of my motor than my 440 gives me.

Dane

[Daytona Guy]

Got a question: What is the ignition wire that my MSD box will need to tap into - I'm assuming it is one of the coil ones ?





Dane

[skip68]

Mine was from the ballast resistor.   I bypassed the ballast resistor as it's no longer needed.   

[firefighter3931]

Looks great !  

Got a dyno sheet and build specs ?  

This one would be nice to have for the Proven Combo's Forum  



Ron

Thanks for the comps...

Specs are

4200 rpm trq 738 Hp 590 -  
5700 rpm trq 657 Hp 713 -

I'm choking it down to most likely 665 HP - because I'm running a more stock look - with exhaust manifolds into 3" exhaust with straight through mufflers. It will be loud.

We will have to see how it runs. My combo is "unliked" by some, so drivability is very important to me - and being really loud I will report later.

I have more room down the side of my motor than my 440 gives me.

Dane

Nice ; power comes in early so you don't need to buzz it hard at all. Very similar to my 572 wedge in terms of the peak power and the rpm's they come in at. 

Got a question: What is the ignition wire that my MSD box will need to tap into - I'm assuming it is one of the coil ones ?





Dane

The MSD box uses battery power on the heavy red & heavy black wires. The small red wire is a trigger and it needs power in both the start and run positions of the ignition circuit. You can simply tie the brown and blue wires coming from the firewall together and connect that to the small red trigger wire. 

The trigger wire just tells the box to power up while you are starting and afterwards, running the engine. The Ballist resistor is no longer required and can be deleted from the ignition wiring. 


Ron


Ps. If you're looking for a set of kick-ass Hemi ignition wires lemme know.   

[Daytona Guy]

What is your cam duration? I wanted a very streetable cam - they put in a Comp .235/.249  .557/.526 My guess is this is at .50 but the paperwork for not say. Installed at 106 (not sure what this means), I have seen 110, 1209,108 and so forth. What does 106 mean?   Compression Ratio is 10.76...will this be hard to drive with 93 oc?

Dane

[firefighter3931]

What is your cam duration? I wanted a very streetable cam - they put in a Comp .235/.249  .557/.526 My guess is this is at .50 but the paperwork for not say. Installed at 106 (not sure what this means), I have seen 110, 1209,108 and so forth. What does 106 mean?   Compression Ratio is 10.76...will this be hard to drive with 93 oc?

Dane

Dane, the cam in mine is a custom grind, solid roller with 266/272* @.050 duration and the valve lift is .660 on a 110*LSA installed on a 106* intake centerline. The 106* installed position means that the cam is degreed in with 4* of advance. My static compression ratio is also 10.7:1 and it runs fine on pump gas....but it does have a lot more duration than yours. 

I'm assuming that the 235/249 numbers on yours refer to the duration@.050 valve lift because those numbers are too small to be "advertised numbers" based on the displacement of your engine. The .557/.526 numbers are your gross valve lift. Installed @ 106 refers to the installed intake centerline position of your cam. Missing is the LSA or "lobe seperation angle" and that would be good information to know. 

See if you can get a Cam Card from the builder 


Ron

[Daytona Guy]

What is your cam duration? I wanted a very streetable cam - they put in a Comp .235/.249  .557/.526 My guess is this is at .50 but the paperwork for not say. Installed at 106 (not sure what this means), I have seen 110, 1209,108 and so forth. What does 106 mean?   Compression Ratio is 10.76...will this be hard to drive with 93 oc?

Dane

Dane, the cam in mine is a custom grind, solid roller with 266/272* @.050 duration and the valve lift is .660 on a 110*LSA installed on a 106* intake centerline. The 106* installed position means that the cam is degreed in with 4* of advance. My static compression ratio is also 10.7:1 and it runs fine on pump gas....but it does have a lot more duration than yours. 

I'm assuming that the 235/249 numbers on yours refer to the duration@.050 valve lift because those numbers are too small to be "advertised numbers" based on the displacement of your engine. The .557/.526 numbers are your gross valve lift. Installed @ 106 refers to the installed intake centerline position of your cam. Missing is the LSA or "lobe seperation angle" and that would be good information to know. 

See if you can get a Cam Card from the builder 


Ron

Ron, you have been a big help.

[Daytona Guy]

Need some help...

OK got my tranny, rear end and exhaust installed - I have to get the parts for the tranny linage. I'm not going with a console, because I have had one in every Daytona I have owned. I'm getting tired of them. I loved the one of the Chargers I had that had a buddy seat. This allows my hottie wife to sit next to me.

The problem is, I am missing everything from the column arm to the tranny shifter, and cannot even remember what the z-bar and other parts look like and where they go. Need some help with pics - and if anyone has the parts or where to find them...

WIth a column shift - I'm not even sure that the torgue shaft will even fit with the exhaut. I know they made HEMI B-body column shift cars...is the torque shaft and shifting linkage the same as 440's column shifter?

Thanks.