PLAYBOY DAYTONA

[nascarxx29]

Good ? is does appear to have a shadow on the ground .Dan Gurney original sat uptop of a daytona .But got cropped onto the motor trend cover superbird

Its one of this chryslers things I guess .like we assume the Jan 70 motor trend car Dan Gurney sitting on a superbird wing.Turns out he was cut and pasted from this daytona


http://www.ebay.com/itm/January-1970-Motor-Trend-Dan-Gurney-Road-Runner-Superbird-Tour-France-/370528117241?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26otn%3D5%26pmod%3D390285995802%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D4716646881212741366

[nascarxx29]

When Gary Lazar owned the car its recorded as white interior white stripe .Does the buildsheet show green interior.Gary Lazar was a master wingcar builder he did the 426 hemi superbird convertible.Out of a 6 cyl belvedere conv and wrecked hemi superbird. If he wanted to replicate the playboy ad car he could easily have done so

[held1823]

the superbird on the magazine cover has similar, complete shadowing underneath it. a professional photographer knows how to set the scene, but the lighting is almost too perfect to be natural, in regards to both cars.

shooting of the daytona photo could have taken place at creative's facility at any time during its conversion. that makes more sense than sending a single (and incomplete) car out for a magazine glamour shot, when the focus was on cranking them out asap. magazine exposure was not a concern at that time.

it also seems odd that a single photo has surfaced, as you would think the photographer would have shot dozens of them to ensure he had the perfect one. it wasn't like it is today, where you can look at the image instantly.

[maxwellwedge]

Car has a lot of shrub and tree reflections on it - as can be easily seen in your black and white.....makes me think no studio.

[gtx6970]

Ok,
Now I'm curious.

Without going thru every reply here,

Is the Playboy cars vin known?
I looked long and hard and the picture and I can't tell if it's green or black interior

[hemi68charger]

Ok,
Now I'm curious.

Without going thru every reply here,

Is the Playboy cars vin known?
I looked long and hard and the picture and I can't tell if it's green or black interior

The Playboy Daytona is an F6 exterior car with green auto console interior.

[Aero426]

the superbird on the magazine cover has similar, complete shadowing underneath it. a professional photographer knows how to set the scene, but the lighting is almost too perfect to be natural, in regards to both cars.

shooting of the daytona photo could have taken place at creative's facility at any time during its conversion. that makes more sense than sending a single (and incomplete) car out for a magazine glamour shot, when the focus was on cranking them out asap. magazine exposure was not a concern at that time.

it also seems odd that a single photo has surfaced, as you would think the photographer would have shot dozens of them to ensure he had the perfect one. it wasn't like it is today, where you can look at the image instantly.

To me, the Superbird was obviously shot in a studio.    You can see the sun reflection off Gurney, which looks quite a bit different than the lighting of the Superbird.    The Gurney photo appears to be shot on the west coast by the background.    There has to be a whole cut sheet of photos from that session.   Probably in the Peterson Pub archives somewhere. 

[richRTSE]

I wonder if maybe the playboy ad car isn't even F6 at all...maybe it was just "greened up" to look better for the ad...

[Redbird]

Would this be the photographer of the Playboy Daytona?

adnewsonline.com/pub_article.cfm?artID=1187

Right age. I haven't been at BYU in Salt Lake City for a number of years, but perhaps that could be the site location. As I remember it has a pretty modern type of part of the campus.

Would it have been hard to get the grass and sidewalk to look right through the front window if the picture was 2 combined pictures. Especially given the technology of the time? Especially when you look at the Gurney picture-obviously cut and paste.

It appears to me the car has a woodgrain steering wheel, 14" Road wheel, single remote mirror, some type of radio, transmission undetermined. Green exterior and interior if the colors can be believed. There were also a number of other photo shots in magazines of a green Daytona back at the time, but with scoops.

[Redbird]

FWIW the Motor Trend Gurney car quotes 2 photographers for credit for the cover on the contents page Fred Enke and Gerry Stiles.

[Davtona]

Car has a lot of shrub and tree reflections on it - as can be easily seen in your black and white.....makes me think no studio.

  You can see the reflection of the vertical column in the roof. As far as the shadowing goes I 've always thought the pic was shot on an overcast hazy day. Which would diffuse the shadows thrown but not eliminate them completly.

[nascarxx29]

I seen this arcticle before on Kermit Johnson
http://adnewsonline.com/pub_article.cfm?artID=1187
Also theres a Kermit Johnson School in AL.Maybe named after the Vietnam Vet?

[held1823]

i admit there is a lot of merit to the opinion that the car was shot outdoors. it would have been possible to set up some additional lighting at the site of the photo shoot. that could explain both the reflections mentioned on the car, as well as the shadowing beneath it. a professional photographer would surely have been prepared for any and all conditions that day, and not sat around waiting for optimal sunlight.

i've always thought the grass along the sidewalk had been retouched. it doesn't show "wind rows" of lighter color, like seen further to the left. regardless of the scenario, more though was put into the photo, than into the idea of sending a completed car to the set. no fender scoops? c'mom, man.

as doug mentioned, the photo stills from the superbird shoot are around. has anyone ever seen a second image of the playboy car?

[gtx6970]

Ok,
Now I'm curious.

Without going thru every reply here,

Is the Playboy cars vin known?
I looked long and hard and the picture and I can't tell if it's green or black interior

The Playboy Daytona is an F6 exterior car with green auto console interior.

And this is known HOW?

[hemi68charger]

And this is known HOW?

I know the owner....  On another note, on one site, there's an article on the Playboy Daytona being owned by someone and it has white interior........ Well, it's plainly seen that the Daytona in the actual ad doesn't have white interior........ I don't believe the photo was doctored... if so, then someone would have editted fender scoops on it.....   

[maxwellwedge]

And this is known HOW?

I know the owner....  On another note, on one site, there's an article on the Playboy Daytona being owned by someone and it has white interior........ Well, it's plainly seen that the Daytona in the actual ad doesn't have white interior........ I don't believe the photo was doctored... if so, then someone would have editted fender scoops on it.....   

And how is it known this is the actual car - was there a "Bunny" in the trunk? 

[held1823]

And this is known HOW?

I know the owner....  On another note, on one site, there's an article on the Playboy Daytona being owned by someone and it has white interior........ Well, it's plainly seen that the Daytona in the actual ad doesn't have white interior........ I don't believe the photo was doctored... if so, then someone would have editted fender scoops on it.....   

And how is it known this is the actual car - was there a "Bunny" in the trunk? 

if so, to hell with the car. bring on the bunny pics!

[maxwellwedge]

What car? 

[moparstuart]

And this is known HOW?

I know the owner....  On another note, on one site, there's an article on the Playboy Daytona being owned by someone and it has white interior........ Well, it's plainly seen that the Daytona in the actual ad doesn't have white interior........ I don't believe the photo was doctored... if so, then someone would have editted fender scoops on it.....   

And how is it known this is the actual car - was there a "Bunny" in the trunk? 

if so, to hell with the car. bring on the bunny pics!

if she was she is just bones by now 

[hemi68charger]

And this is known HOW?

I know the owner....  On another note, on one site, there's an article on the Playboy Daytona being owned by someone and it has white interior........ Well, it's plainly seen that the Daytona in the actual ad doesn't have white interior........ I don't believe the photo was doctored... if so, then someone would have editted fender scoops on it.....   

And how is it known this is the actual car - was there a "Bunny" in the trunk? 

Shhhhhhhhhhh, I'll never tell............  Oh, I don't know.............  Ok, back to our regularly scheduled programming,

[nascarxx29]

Zoomed in picture anyone not see the black door push button below door handle

[gtx6970]

And how is it known this is the actual car

exactly, is the vin of this car pictured  recorded somewhere ?

if not how is specific details known such as engine/ transmission  , owner history etc etc

IF the vin is know, I would think there would be no guessing as to interior color , engine options etc etc

sounds like guessing is going on comparing known F6 green cars

[hemi68charger]

And how is it known this is the actual car

exactly, is the vin of this car pictured  recorded somewhere ?

if not how is specific details known such as engine/ transmission  , owner history etc etc

IF the vin is know, I would think there would be no guessing as to interior color , engine options etc etc

sounds like guessing is going on comparing known F6 green cars

To be honest Bill, I believe Pete... I don't believe things were "doctored" image-wise like some may say. There's no way the image in the magazine has white interior. In '69, there wasn't too much techno-stuff like that going on I bet. Maybe for human pictures and such. From a visual point of view, especially from the zoomed in picture here Dave did, it's obvious the interiors green. I make that conclusion from the package tray....... 

[held1823]

the package tray is bathed in direct sunlight, as illustrated by the shadows seen outside the car. that would make it appear as a different shade from the completely shadowed rear seat and trim panel.  i believe the only color that can be ruled out, is white.

as for the photo doctoring skills of that era, one peek at the centerfold in that very magazine will confirm they were widely used.

[hemi68charger]

the package tray is bathed in direct sunlight, as illustrated by the shadows seen outside the car. that would make it appear as a different shade from the completely shadowed rear seat and trim panel.  i believe the only color that can be ruled out, is white.

as for the photo doctoring skills of that era, one peek at the centerfold in that very magazine will confirm they were widely used.

Again, the magazine's going to edit their stuff. I find it hard to believe that magazine's going to give a hoot about a car. They only put in what they get from the company that's doing the advertising. And back then, why in God's name would Dodge care if the door knob is black or chrome. If they were so anal about this or that being correct, then they would have drove over to the university a Daytona that had it's fender scoops, or, at the very least, "doctor" the photo so they were there.....

Final answer, I believe............