1972 superbird for sale

[BigBlockSam]

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1972-PLYMOUTH-ROADRUNNER-SUPERBIRD-CONTINUATION-TRIBUTE-440-727-NICE-TEXAS-MOPAR-/120987151124?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c2b656b14#v4-42

[Indygenerallee]

Modded Daytona nose?? and Daytona wing, wing looks funny from side profile.

[A383Wing]

Looks like a 'Bird wing to me....

Bryan

[BigBlockSam]

i like it

[1970Moparmann]

Not bad at all. 

[JB400]

I bet Petty would have liked to have one back in the day.  Petty blue of course.

[odcics2]

Needs the front lowered!   I agree - wing looks odd.   It's too tall for the higher deck lid of the 71-4  B Bodies..   

This is the best '71 & later "Super Bird" I have seen...     

[Ghoste]

The wing does llok too tall expecially those rear and rear 3/4 shots, the nose  fits well though.  The angle of the stripes clash with the wing uprights in a side profile to my eye, I wonder if they would have gone to a different stripe had they gone ahead with the 71 wing cars?

[JB400]

The wing does llok too tall expecially those rear and rear 3/4 shots, the nose  fits well though.  The angle of the stripes clash with the wing uprights in a side profile to my eye, I wonder if they would have gone to a different stripe had they gone ahead with the 71 wing cars?

I agree about the stripes. I'd lose them altogether

[moparstuart]

I like the nose from the side and front , but from the top its too long the hood needed an extension , like the original so that nose is not so long on top

[Ghoste]

How close is this one to the factory drawings that are out there?  It isn't one of the ones from Gary and Pam?

[Benji]

Needs the front lowered!   I agree - wing looks odd.   It's too tall for the higher deck lid of the 71-4  B Bodies..   

This is the best '71 & later "Super Bird" I have seen...     

+1!

Benji

[Dave Kanofsky]

At least wait until it stops raining to take the pics!

[41husk]

Thats ok Dave, black won't show anything not even water spots

[Gary42]

No, its not the "G" series that Gary and Pam built to factory specs. Here is the pic of the one they built, much better then what you are looking at now......

[Gary42]

Another view....

[Aero426]

Same guy who had an orange ten footer Daytona clone for sale not too long ago.       Someone commented at that time about other cars visible in the garages.     Not too bad from a distance, but this one  still has that amateur look to it.  You can see why Gary and Pam picked the nose combination they did for their car.    Also, pick one stripe or the other, but not BOTH, LOL. 

[Ghoste]

You could get both from Plymouth originally too, could you not?  Which, by the way, doesn't make it right.

[Gary42]

According to what Gary and Pam put on their old web site, here is the how they came up with the idea. If I'm not mistaken, Larry said something one time about Mike building this nose from scratch as he was the engineer on the project.

71 SUPERBIRD

71 'G-SERIES' SUPERBIRD: Built in 2003 by Gary & Pam Beineke using Chrysler's discarded G-Series aerodynamic testing report; this prototype represents the street version of what was slated to be built for the 71 NASCAR season had the aero cars not been virtually banned. Specifications: 472 Hemi Six-barrel, Keisler 5 sp; Dana 3.54; SSBC 4 wheel discs; Factory sunroof; PS; rallye wheels.

I know stripes were offered for the Roadrunner cars that year, but I don't think they came together as a package. Unless someone ordered it like that?

[Aero426]

There were multiple versions of noses tested on the 1971 wind tunnel models.    I am not looking at the information, but the nose as built on Gary and Pam's street car may not have been the optimum aero package.    But it does work well with the stock Plymouth fenders they had to work with.    My impression has always been that the car as built would have quite a bit more lift than the longer 1970 style nose.

[Ghoste]

Wings too, no?

[Aero426]

Yes on the wings as well as the front and rear glass/roof.  They tested some wild looking stuff.   If you go to Ken Noffsinger's aerowarriors.com page, he has the recommended configurations listed with photo links.   Scroll down to "Plymouth Optimum Configurations".  

http://aerowarriors.com/gswtt.html

[BigBlockSam]

but the nose as built on Gary and Pam's street car may not have been the optimum aero package.

[pettybird]

"AS HE HAS LOST INTEREST IN FISHING THE CAR FOR PERSONAL REASONS."


probably because he couldn't find a tough enough line to reel the whole car back in.

[Ghoste]

 

[41husk]

  Any guesses to what the reserve is?  I would guess in the 20k range   Let me guess $24,900.  By the looks of the house, the guy did not get into it to lose money.  With the base car wing, nose, 440 and other items he probably has that invested.   

[learical1]

Kinda reminds me of the old MPC 1971 Road Runner kit with the "SuperBird " option.

http://cs.scaleautomag.com/sca/modeling_subjects/f/29/t/83172.aspx

[odcics2]

There were 3 front ends considered for 1971.  

"Small", like Gary and Pam's car.  "Medium", similar to the '1972' creation for sale and....(drum roll...)

The "Aero Front End" which changed everything forward of the cowl.    This included a new rad support, radiator, sloped hood and fenders, in addition to the "aerocone".

This was the BEST configuration!     Oddly enough, NOTHING they did on the Plymouth Road Runner or Dodge Charger came close to the 1969 1/2 Daytona package.


All this can be found by wading through the "G" Series Wind Tunnel studies on aerowarriors.com      

[Ghoste]

A little surprising the fuselage styling couldn't beat the previous generation.

[odcics2]

A little surprising the fuselage styling couldn't beat the previous generation.

The windshield to side glass air flow is terrible.   Rear window flow is bad.  (That is helped a bit by a lot of rake angle.)  Not sure that the fuselage sides were all that bad!!

[Ghoste]

Thats what I mean though, all of that stuff just looks so much smoother.  Just goes to show you huh?

[JB400]

Something was done right with the cars' design.  Team Petty had pretty good success with the car.  And he prefered the 3rd gen over the plymouth of the same years and delayed going to the newer Charger and Magnum as long as he could.

[Aero426]

A little surprising the fuselage styling couldn't beat the previous generation.

The windshield to side glass air flow is terrible.   Rear window flow is bad.  (That is helped a bit by a lot of rake angle.)  Not sure that the fuselage sides were all that bad!!

Also the upswept rear hood edge did away with the cowl panel.  That is where the engine takes its air and was another area that responded differently.  

The 1970 Torino looked very racy but wasn't quite as good on the track as the older 1969. 

[odcics2]

Something was done right with the cars' design.  Team Petty had pretty good success with the car.  And he prefered the 3rd gen over the plymouth of the same years and delayed going to the newer Charger and Magnum as long as he could.

Compared to the Mercs, Fords and Chevies he competed against...

One of his old tricks was pulling the front forward of the bottom of the bumper/grille area.  Compare a 74 era K&K to the 74 Petty Charger in a side view.   At Daytona and Talladega he raked the heck out of the car.  He hid this by filling in the 1/4 panels above the rear tires.
In the front view, he had the fenders pulled out to shield the tires. Likewise, the 1/4 panels had a flair in front of the rear wheels.

[JB400]

Yeah, they cut a few inches out of the firewall to get the rake that they needed. 

[DAY CLONA]

There were multiple versions of noses tested on the 1971 wind tunnel models.    I am not looking at the information, but the nose as built on Gary and Pam's street car may not have been the optimum aero package.    But it does work well with the stock Plymouth fenders they had to work with.    My impression has always been that the car as built would have quite a bit more lift than the longer 1970 style nose.

The 18" nose and bi-wing was the optimum package, based on the 3/8 scale wind tunnel testing done back in the day, we chose the 12" nose IIRC the configuration, due to visual styling cues that it offered, plus being able to retain the factory lower valance, factory spoilers, etc, the 18" nose just looks too big on the cars lines (71)...plus we were looking to create a newer look for the car, rather than the played out typical nose design we all know

mike

[Ghoste]

And I'm guessing NASCAR rules would not have allowed for a "race" version and a "street version in a case where visual styling might have made one choice better for retail?

[JB400]

I don't think Bill France would allow any manufacturer to put another generation of aero cars on his tracks.  From what I here, he didn't want no experimental cars period.  That's why the rulebook changed in 71,

[Ghoste]

Hypothetically of course, its a what if situation.

[JB400]

Hypothetically, let's put it this way, if the wing cars were allowed to continue, we wouldn't be shaking our heads at the kids that put the stupid wings on their hondas.  Besides, I wouldn't mind going to the dealership and buy a new wing car.    Bad thing is, our wing car values would drop.

[Ghoste]

You are still missing my question.  IF the 71 program had made it to fruition and IF the stylists still had a big say in it am I correct in assuming that NASCAR would not allow a race nose version for competition and a better looking street nose version for Chrysler to sell and homologate?

[JB400]

I doubt it if the stylists would have their way.  The nose is there strictly for function, and so the engineers would get their way.  Stylists would get to design shape of the headlight doors and whatnot for the street model, Nascar ain't going to allow one off noses for competition.  Put it on the street, if you want to put it on the track.

[Aero426]

You are still missing my question.  IF the 71 program had made it to fruition and IF the stylists still had a big say in it am I correct in assuming that NASCAR would not allow a race nose version for competition and a better looking street nose version for Chrysler to sell and homologate?

The way the car was presented for homologation was the way it had to be raced.     So no, you could not have two completely different noses.     

[nascarxx29]

It does remind me of the model kit car .They should have painted it light yellow

[Aero426]

Love that old MPC kit.   I also have one that is labeled as a GTX kit with the nose and wing kit.