Swiss DMV not accepting Superbird wing

[swissmopar]

Hi to everyone!

I give a follow up on the topic: Swiss DMV not accepting Superbird wing
see introduction to this topic on: http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,79208.0.html

In the meantime I was stopped by the police driving my Superbird, so I hired a laywer, I had confirmations from other european countries (thank you for the support!!!), I tried on the legal way anything you could imagine - but they wanted to have a shear off testing of the wing.
Here in short what I had to do:
(1) A replica wing was produced from the original wing (1:1) in fiberglass
(2) A double savety cable ran up one support, then across the horizontal wing, then down the other side support and connected at the bottom of each wing brace in the trunk. The replica wing had only 2 mounting studs on the vertical supports and in place of the 2nd and 3rd were the safety cables.
(3) The wing was attached to the rear fenders with two plastic bolts (polyamide 6.6 - M8) on the 1st and 4th position of the original bolts.
(4) The testing took place on August, 28 2012 in the DTC Test center in the french speaking part of Switzerland.

I loaded the films from the shear off testing on Youtube please check them out:
http://youtu.be/g6svjKCinzc
http://youtu.be/UW4t3xOgmL0

Since last friday the car is legal also in Switzerland with the replica wing!

Here the total costs in U$:
(1) Police penalty U$ 750
(2) Laywer U$ 2500
(3) Replica wing U$ 3800
(4) Shear off testing U$ 5500
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Total: U$ 12550
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This testing is only valid for my replica wing. No other wing will be approved unless you have an exact replica of my replica wing - ... The original wing is on a save place 
The replica wing will be painted and is back on the car next friday.

[swissmopar]

Some pictures.

[ACUDANUT]

You paid 12,500 US just to keep the wing ?...Holy Cow

[JB400]

  For keeping the wing.  Their rules and regulations are nuts.

[Ghoste]

I applaud your dedication and its good to have the update, I had wondered what happened with this.

[41husk]

What a pain and you will still probably pulled over every time you take it out and need to keep documentation with you   Congratulations and good luck!

[Aero426]

Wow...

[Ghoste]

Husk is right but remember, no matter how much they hassle you, you will still have the coolest car in the entire nation of Switzerland. 

[WINGIN IT]

I applaud your dedication and its good to have the update.

So how much force did it take for the wing to "let go" ?  
Obviously not enough to sheer someone's head off, if I remember the original post  
Maybe just enough to give someone a good knot on the brow...  

[swissmopar]

It had to withstand min. 1200Nm, and had to shear off at max. 2800Nm. I will post the graphic protocols soon. With 3 plastic bolts it withstand about 4000Nm.

[oldcarnut]

Wonder if the fiberglass wings made here would hold up to that test.  Can you sell a replica of the replica to other future owners to pass the test and maybe recoup some of your money back?

[swissmopar]

Wonder if the fiberglass wings made here would hold up to that test.  Can you sell a replica of the replica to other future owners to pass the test and maybe recoup some of your money back?

There is one more "un-inspected" Superbird in Switzerland (for more than 15 years never on the street) and one in Liechtenstein. If they want they can profit from my procedure and we could share the costs.

[Indygenerallee]

Remind me never to move to Switzerland.....

[4cruzin]

No job!  Glad it worked out for you!  Would of sucked if they still said "NO" and had to spend all that money to find out!   

[WINGIN IT]

It had to withstand min. 1200Nm, and had to shear off at max. 2800Nm. I will post the graphic protocols soon. With 3 plastic bolts it withstand about 4000Nm.

What's Nm = Newton Meters?
What's that equate to in to an average human force? 
Is it about the same as a drunken bicyclist not seeing a giant orange car in front if him, slamming into your bumper at 20km/h , and launching him/her self neck first into the wing?? 

[Hemi Runner]

Send the original wing here to the states and I'll keep it safe for ya..... right on the back of my drag radial twin turbocharged superbird clone!!

[hemi68charger]

   Wow

[moparstuart]

that is love and dedication to have a wing car   
  your just as nutty as the rest of us 

[41husk]

 

[swissmopar]

It had to withstand min. 1200Nm, and had to shear off at max. 2800Nm. I will post the graphic protocols soon. With 3 plastic bolts it withstand about 4000Nm.

What's Nm = Newton Meters?
What's that equate to in to an average human force? 
Is it about the same as a drunken bicyclist not seeing a giant orange car in front if him, slamming into your bumper at 20km/h , and launching him/her self neck first into the wing?? 

1 Nm = 0.737562 lbs ft (poundforce feet)

[Ghoste]

Wonder if the fiberglass wings made here would hold up to that test.  Can you sell a replica of the replica to other future owners to pass the test and maybe recoup some of your money back?

There is one more "un-inspected" Superbird in Switzerland (for more than 15 years never on the street) and one in Liechtenstein. If they want they can profit from my procedure and we could share the costs.

Hey you never know.  Are they aware of you and what you had to go through?

[Arnie Cunningham]

Congratulations!  You definitely qualify as a winged car fanatic!

[bordin34]

Where is Switzerland are you. My cousin lives in or near St. Galen and can see the Lake of Constance from his house. I am also a Swiss citizen although I have never been there.

[WINGIN IT]

It had to withstand min. 1200Nm, and had to shear off at max. 2800Nm. I will post the graphic protocols soon. With 3 plastic bolts it withstand about 4000Nm.

What's Nm = Newton Meters?
What's that equate to in to an average human force? 
Is it about the same as a drunken bicyclist not seeing a giant orange car in front if him, slamming into your bumper at 20km/h , and launching him/her self neck first into the wing?? 

1 Nm = 0.737562 lbs ft (poundforce feet)

Ok so max sheer of is 2800Nm = about 2,065 ft/lbs, right?
That seems like an aweful lot of force. More than enought to do some damage to some unsuspecting albeit dunce-headed person throwing him/her self at the wing, no ?

[Hemidog]

I've heard that after 1945, the remaining administration from Germany fled to Switzerland, and began working in the DMV.

[moparstuart]

I've heard that after 1945, the remaining administration from Germany fled to Switzerland, and began working in the DMV.

in missouri also 

[Ghoste]

It had to withstand min. 1200Nm, and had to shear off at max. 2800Nm. I will post the graphic protocols soon. With 3 plastic bolts it withstand about 4000Nm.

What's Nm = Newton Meters?
What's that equate to in to an average human force? 
Is it about the same as a drunken bicyclist not seeing a giant orange car in front if him, slamming into your bumper at 20km/h , and launching him/her self neck first into the wing?? 

1 Nm = 0.737562 lbs ft (poundforce feet)

Ok so max sheer of is 2800Nm = about 2,065 ft/lbs, right?
That seems like an aweful lot of force. More than enought to do some damage to some unsuspecting albeit dunce-headed person throwing him/her self at the wing, no ?

Yeah, wouldn't their feared decapitation take place well below that?

[WINGIN IT]

It had to withstand min. 1200Nm, and had to shear off at max. 2800Nm. I will post the graphic protocols soon. With 3 plastic bolts it withstand about 4000Nm.

What's Nm = Newton Meters?
What's that equate to in to an average human force? 
Is it about the same as a drunken bicyclist not seeing a giant orange car in front if him, slamming into your bumper at 20km/h , and launching him/her self neck first into the wing?? 

1 Nm = 0.737562 lbs ft (poundforce feet)

Ok so max sheer of is 2800Nm = about 2,065 ft/lbs, right?
That seems like an aweful lot of force. More than enought to do some damage to some unsuspecting albeit dunce-headed person throwing him/her self at the wing, no ?

Yeah, wouldn't their feared decapitation take place well below that?

Exactly! 
But not sure exactly how much force that is.

[Dave Kanofsky]

Good job, you fought the law and YOU won !!!

[areibel]

It makes me wonder what forces the wings were exposed to when they were running 200MPH+ at Daytona or Talledega back when?   I'd bet the engineers at Ma Mopar did their homework before bolting a wing on the first Daytonas or Superbirds.

[stripedelete]

It makes me wonder what forces the wings were exposed to when they were running 200MPH+ at Daytona or Talledega back when?   I'd bet the engineers at Ma Mopar did their homework before bolting a wing on the first Daytonas or Superbirds.

Certainly.  It probably went something like: "Hey, toss me a few of those fender washers, would ya?"

[JB400]

I don't think anybody at any manufacturer were thinking about decapitating people with spoilers added to their cars.  Maybe an idea for a "Final Destination" movie or a zombie flick. 

[swissmopar]

It had to withstand min. 1200Nm, and had to shear off at max. 2800Nm. I will post the graphic protocols soon. With 3 plastic bolts it withstand about 4000Nm.

What's Nm = Newton Meters?
What's that equate to in to an average human force? 
Is it about the same as a drunken bicyclist not seeing a giant orange car in front if him, slamming into your bumper at 20km/h , and launching him/her self neck first into the wing?? 

1 Nm = 0.737562 lbs ft (poundforce feet)

Ok so max sheer of is 2800Nm = about 2,065 ft/lbs, right?
That seems like an aweful lot of force. More than enought to do some damage to some unsuspecting albeit dunce-headed person throwing him/her self at the wing, no ?

Right! I will soon publish the testing graph, it sheared off at 2781Nm - (just below 2800Nm) with only two plastic bolts. So you can imagine if you fix the wing with 4 steel bolts as the original this will shear off your rear fenders before you will loose the wing.

Yes be prepared - there will be all over "rolling heads" on the streets of Switzerland, hopefully some of the banker's heads - sorry! hahaha

[charger Downunder]

So they want it designed to fall off.
Has anybody ever been injured by a wing off a Superbird or Daytona.

[Ghoste]

Only if they fell off from sitting on it.

[Hemidog]

Lots of pinched fingers between decklid and wing?

[Ghoste]

And lets not forget the wounded egos of the non wing cars.

[WINGIN IT]

So they want it designed to fall off.
Has anybody ever been injured by a wing off a Superbird or Daytona.

Right, it's designed to "break away" . But my point is that the break away force with the fiberglass wing is still  a lot of force, and would still manage to injure someone, if in fact they impaled themselves on the wing in some freakish way. 

[Ghoste]

The whole thing is just bizarre.  Government nanny interference run amock (sic) but at least it all turned out for the good in the end.

[WINGIN IT]

The whole thing is just bizarre.  Government nanny interference run amock (sic) but at least it all turned out for the good in the end.

Oh indeed. 
Great follow through , not many car enthusiasts would go through all that trouble and hassle.
Kudos to Swiss Mopar for stickin' it out 

[odcics2]

It makes me wonder what forces the wings were exposed to when they were running 200MPH+ at Daytona or Talledega back when?   I'd bet the engineers at Ma Mopar did their homework before bolting a wing on the first Daytonas or Superbirds.

Certainly.  It probably went something like: "Hey, toss me a few of those fender washers, would ya?"

First attempt showed the need for support in the way of the large wing washer. Washer to trunk pan braces were then added.
For race use, that system failed, leading to the aluminum tubes running from inside the wing to the brackets bolted to the trunk pan.  Extra welds and reinforcements are also used. 

[hemi68charger]

Lots of pinched fingers between decklid and wing?

And bumps on the back of your head when you get something out of the trunk.....    I learned rather quickly not to stand straight up when pulling something out of the trunk...

[WINGIN IT]

Lots of pinched fingers between decklid and wing?

And bumps on the back of your head when you get something out of the trunk.....    I learned rather quickly not to stand straight up when pulling something out of the trunk...

Ha, will have to remember that ... DOH ! 

[swissmopar]

It makes me wonder what forces the wings were exposed to when they were running 200MPH+ at Daytona or Talledega back when?   I'd bet the engineers at Ma Mopar did their homework before bolting a wing on the first Daytonas or Superbirds.

Certainly.  It probably went something like: "Hey, toss me a few of those fender washers, would ya?"

First attempt showed the need for support in the way of the large wing washer. Washer to trunk pan braces were then added.
For race use, that system failed, leading to the aluminum tubes running from inside the wing to the brackets bolted to the trunk pan.  Extra welds and reinforcements are also used. 

Are there any pictures available from the race setup of the wing fixation in the trunk?

[swissmopar]

Where is Switzerland are you. My cousin lives in or near St. Galen and can see the Lake of Constance from his house. I am also a Swiss citizen although I have never been there.

I live in Zürich, the biggest City of Switzerland. population appr. 400'000. St. Gallen is 50 mls from Zürich.

[Aero426]

Are there any pictures available from the race setup of the wing fixation in the trunk?

Right side race car wing brace with safety cable.

[Aero426]

Left side wing brace on race car.    Fuel fill and overflow hoses also shown.

[swissmopar]

Are there any pictures available from the race setup of the wing fixation in the trunk?

Right side race car wing brace with safety cable.

Never seen before, thank you so much for the pictures!