Caddilac 2014 ELR wow factor

[Indygenerallee]

We will all be nomads like in The Road Warrior searching for "The precious juice" before everyone is driving a hydrogen powered car...

[Cooter]

"Light me Johnny"..

[1969chargerrtse]

We will all be nomads like in The Road Warrior searching for "The precious juice" before everyone is driving a hydrogen powered car...

You won't have to search far because Hydrogen comes from many sources, like water.

[chargerboy69]

I think it is sharp. . .I really do like it.

Not practical for me or my family, but the thing is cool looking.

[1969chargerrtse]

I think it is sharp. . .I really do like it.

Not practical for me or my family, but the thing is cool looking.

How anyone can not think the body lines on this picture are not cool is mind boggling to me?  But I'm O.K about it, to each his/her own.

[Cooter]

You like what you like...Proof is in that Trans Am. To me, the Trans Am died in around 1992 or so.

[elanmars]

I think it is sharp. . .I really do like it.

Not practical for me or my family, but the thing is cool looking.

How anyone can not think the body lines on this picture are not cool is mind boggling to me?  But I'm O.K about it, to each his/her own.

I liked Tron and all but wouldn't want to drive something that looks like it came from that movie. It looks like a jacked up Japanese ricer or something I'd see in a Japanese sci-fi animated series/movie.

[Fred]

Sorry I should have been more clear for you.  Battery powered cars have not improved much in the last 100 years and I don't see that version of the electric car as a saviour or even much more than a fad roght now.

I'm inclined to agree. I think anyone buying them will get sick of them pretty quickly and trade them in.

[Ghoste]

This is like "Volt-the Sequel", but with a higher priced box to hold a technology that failed 100 years ago.

[1969chargerrtse]

You like what you like...Proof is in that Trans Am. To me, the Trans Am died in around 1992 or so.

I know little of Firebird history and really could careless about them. That's why I haven't joined a Pontiac forum. When I sold the charger I was looking for a American Muscle car That would be newer, convertible, hideaway lamps, and have either crazy stripes or big scoops. The last year TA screemed at me.  I get 3 times the mpg, it's fast and loud and I now can drop the top. No regrets, l Love the car. Solid and nasty looking. To me anyway, and that's all that really counts.  I had 15k left over, we sided the house and it was a great move. Do I miss the Charger? Of course but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.  I passed a 340 Dart the other day, I felt a tad sad.  

[JB400]

This is like "Volt-the Sequel", but with a higher priced box to hold a technology that failed 100 years ago.

[Ghoste]

I thought you had it bad for the Firebirds a long time?  Do you think you will keep it for long then?

[1969chargerrtse]

This is like "Volt-the Sequel", but with a higher priced box to hold a technology that failed 100 years ago.

That's like saying the old hit and miss motors from 100 years ago are like our high tech engines of today?  A cast iron engine back then standing 6 ft tall and weighing tons put out about 10 horse power. I think the high tech lighter engines of today and the complex transfer drive of the volt and and the high tech battery packs are a little different from back then.

[Ghoste]

The technology failed back then because of limited range, the ongoing hassle of recharging and the expense and hassle of battery replacement.  Those are the same reasons these things aren't flying out the factory exit doors right now.

[JB400]

We keep trying to go up on the escalator that's going down.

[Ghoste]

Exactly.  Its a stop gap to appease the government who are hungering for votes from the greens and greenly misled public.  There are improvements in battery maintainance and charging time but most of the practical use limitations from the past still exist.  Sorry but I think the internal combustion V8 made light year advances beyond the hit and miss engines especially compared to the electric car.

[1969chargerrtse]

The technology failed back then because of limited range, the ongoing hassle of recharging and the expense and hassle of battery replacement.  Those are the same reasons these things aren't flying out the factory exit doors right now.

That makes no sense at all. You must be talking about electric cars?  In that case due to 100 years of improvements the electric car of today travels much further than it did back then. You mentioned the Volt. The Volt is generator backed up so you can drive as far as you wish. You're probably one of the many that said the Volt would never materialize yet there are several in my town.
Few major changes of technologies that cost 10's of thousands fly off the self. Go back and learn about the slow growth of hybrids when they first came out. How many cars are out there with Hybrid technology today?  10's of thousands. 

[JB400]

If memory serves me, I remember reading about an electric car that was built at the turn of the 20th century.  There wasn't too many takers.  GM built like 25 cars in late 80's early 90's just as a trial run.  They ended up recalling all of them and crushing them.  I forget the name.  They might have learned a lesson from them, but the gov wasn't listening, or flunked history.

[1969chargerrtse]

Exactly.  Its a stop gap to appease the government who are hungering for votes from the greens and greenly misled public.  There are improvements in battery maintainance and charging time but most of the practical use limitations from the past still exist.  Sorry but I think the internal combustion V8 made light year advances beyond the hit and miss engines especially compared to the electric car.

Ha!!!  The government theory again. Yeah they killed Miss Monroe too.

[1969chargerrtse]

We keep trying to go up on the escalator that's going down.

And I'm an escalator mechanic, and I just can't seem to fix it.  The old rule still applies. You don't like it, don't buy it.

[Ghoste]

Decry and deny all you want the electric is not the smashing success story you keep trying to make everyone believe.  The electric car of yesterday had a shorter range than the one of today and it was slower.  The gasoline car of yesterday had a shorter range and was slower than the one of today.  The gasoline car of yesterday was better than the electric one of yesterday and the areas it bested it on made for the elctric cars first failure.
They BOTH have benefited from 100 years of advancement and the electric car is still the poorer choice.  The modern electric car improves the vehicles driving performance as much as the modern gas car improves on the Model T.  The reasons I cited for its failure then are just as valid now.  Short range, charging hassle and costs.  They aren't selling well and thats a fact.  The sales have improved but they are dismal on the whole.  There are several in your town but there are none in mine.  My sample group is just as valid as yours.  What is the percentage of all electric cars sold against all internal combustion ones?
You can't deny government pressure on the auto companies.  Have you forgotten the California ZEV and "Grandpa Volt, the Prequel"?  The EV1 was an experiment but it is a precursor.  Yes, the mfgs were still experimenting with electric before the buyout, but development went up several notches during the government inquisition as they soundly chastised the carmakers for not building cars that got 65 mpg with no emmissions.
You cheer them on all the time but when you sold your Charger even you didn't buy one.  You will reply that you had to have another toy and hence the Firebird.  If the electric was as good as you pretend you would have one in your driveway now.  But you are right, it is a personal choice and I obviously won't be buying one either.

[JB400]

We keep trying to go up on the escalator that's going down.

And I'm an escalator mechanic, and I just can't seem to fix it.  The old rule still applies. You don't like it, don't buy it.

What are the odds.  Who knew?   I agree with the G man

[1969chargerrtse]

Decry and deny all you want the electric is not the smashing success story you keep trying to make everyone believe.  The electric car of yesterday had a shorter range than the one of today and it was slower.  The gasoline car of yesterday had a shorter range and was slower than the one of today.  The gasoline car of yesterday was better than the electric one of yesterday and the areas it bested it on made for the elctric cars first failure.
They BOTH have benefited from 100 years of advancement and the electric car is still the poorer choice.  The modern electric car improves the vehicles driving performance as much as the modern gas car improves on the Model T.  The reasons I cited for its failure then are just as valid now.
You can't deny government pressure on the auto companies.  Have you forgotten the California ZEV and "Grandpa Volt, the Prequel"?  The EV1 was an experiment but it is a precursor.  Yes, the carmakers were still experimenting with electric before the buyout, but development went up several notches during the government inquisition as they soundly chastised the carmakers for not building cars that got 65 mpg with no emmissions.
You cheer them on all the time but when you sold your Charger even you didn't buy one.  You will reply that you had to have another toy and hence the Firebird.  If the electric was as good as you pretend you would have one in your driveway now.  But you are right, it is a personal choice.

I understand and agree with most of your points. One thing a little off is I sold the Charger ( my toy/hobby ) because I felt I had to much invested in it for the little use I used it and it was expensive to use. I bought a car I enjoy as much and is cheaper to maintain. It ends there. I think electric cars backed by a generator only, not electric cars alone are a cool new future ahead of us. I can't afford one for a family car. I'm lucky to have the TA in this economy as a toy.  Sometimes I feel quilty about that, being a family of 5 in these hard times  .  I'm the real deal. A dying breed. Since I was 14 In 1969 I always had a muscle car. I'm appreciative to still have one as a toy but I fear time is closing in when even the TA may have to go due to 3 college bills close head. If I could afford a Volt I'd buy one. But that has nothing to do with my hobby cars.

[1969chargerrtse]

Wait. I don't agree with all of your points. What's the sales of electric cars compared to gas cars?   So let's take 100 years of gas only sales and compare it to a technology about 2 years on the road?  Also I like the volt generator idea nothing more. So stop bringing up all electric range limited electric cars.  I've never raved about them except for the quick power available. I never supported the leaf idea. Sales for the leaf keep dropping. Sales for the volt keep growing. And GM has only just started with this new technology. Watch and learn as sales climb as more and more models come out and improve. Give the Volt platform a 100 year lead.

[Ghoste]

Ah but you missed my one point again.  The Volt is NOT a two year old technology.  It is also a 100 year old one and the generator, although a fine add on in an attempt to give it some practicality is also an admission of the cars limitations.  In any case, I just in no way at all feel the love for the Volt of the Caddyvolt in both technology and styling.