Caddilac 2014 ELR wow factor

[1969chargerrtse]

I think this is coming off of the Volt generator platform, but my god this thing is gorgeous!  

http://www.cadillac.com/elr-electric-car.html?seo=goo_|_2012_Cadillac_Awareness_|_Cadillac_ELR_Awareness_|_ELR_Exact_|_elr

[cdr]

2014 CADDI R/T

[Brightyellow69rtse]

im not feelin it.

[1969chargerrtse]

im not feelin it.

Really, I love that sharp angle look.

[Fred]

Undecided. 

[TruckDriver]

 

[1974dodgecharger]

im not feelin it.

Really, I love that sharp angle look.

its not bad if your into the 'future' stuff, but other that Im getting old and im not feeling it either.....

[1969chargerrtse]

Is it a GM Caddilac thing here or just to futuristic?  Me love.

[Brightyellow69rtse]

i like more than dodge. its just too out there for me.

[Daytona R/T SE]

I don't like it.

[1974dodgecharger]

Is it a GM Caddilac thing here or just to futuristic?  Me love.

looks like something the japanese would make..a mix between an accord and some 16 year old kid adding a bodykit to it.

[JB400]

I don't like it.

the car below the two of the so called Cad is more my style.

[1969chargerrtse]

   Dang I'm batting a 100 in the dislike dept. WTH?

[Cooter]

How the hell can one go from a 1969 Charger to likin' that thing???
Where's the soul? What's with all the angles?
Why does the front end look like something from the Transformers movie??
It's supposed to be a car, not a Toaster oven....


Again, designers, please, put down the doobies, and get back to cars looking like cars.

[Daytona R/T SE]

  Dang I'm batting a 100 in the dislike dept. WTH?

I just think maybe you like weird shit ?   

[Indygenerallee]

HennesseyCTSVR01 by indygenerallee1, on Flickr
2013 VR1200 Twin Turbo Coupe
Production limited to just 12 vehicles







Power:
• 1,226 bhp @ 6,400 rpm (1,066 Rear Wheel HP)
• 1,109 lb-ft torque @ 4,000 rpm (964 Rear Wheel Torque)


Estimated Performance:
• 0-60 mph: 2.9 seconds
• 1/4 Mile: 10.2 @ 141 mph
• Top Speed: 242 mph


VR1200 Twin Turbo Upgrade Includes:
• 427 CID (7.0L) Aluminum V8 Engine
• Forged Aluminum Pistons
• Forged Steel Connecting Rods
• Forged Steel Crankshaft
• Balanced and Blueprinted Rotating Assembly
• ARP Main Studs & Head Bolts
• High Flow Cylinder Heads
• Hennessey VR1200 Camshaft
• Upgraded Fuel Injectors
• Upgraded Fuel System (Includes Lines, Rails, Regulator & Pump)
• Twin Ball Bearing, Billet Wheel Precision Turbochargers
• Dual Wastegates
• Adjustable Boost Controller (800, 1000 & 1226 HP power settings)
• Stainless Steel Turbo Downpipes and Exhaust System
• Air-to-Water Intercooler
• High-Flow Air Induction System
• Professional Installation
• HPE Engine Management Calibration
• Dyno Tuning & Road Testing
• Hennessey Exterior Badging
• Serial-Numbered Dash & Engine Plaques
• 3 Year / 36,000 Mile Limited Warranty


Transmission & Drivetrain Upgrades:
• Manual: Centerforce Dual Friction Clutch Upgrade
• Automatic: Performance Build & Torque Converter Upgrade (Add $20,000)
• Extreme Duty CV-Shaft Upgrade


Brembo Brake System Upgrades:
• 15.1 inch Carbon Ceramic Rotors (Front & Rear)
• Calipers: 8-Piston (Front); 6-Piston (Rear)


Wheels & Tire Upgrades:
• Hennessey Wheels: 20x10 inch (Front); 20x13 inch (Rear)
• Michelin Pilot Super Sport Tires: 275/30YR-20 (Front); 345/30YR-20 (Rear)


Suspension Upgrades:
• Lowered 1" (Front & Rear)
• Upgraded Front and Rear Swaybars
• Factory Magnetic Ride Control Tuned by John Heinricy


CarbonAero Widebody Body:
• Carbon Fiber Front Splitter
• Carbon Fiber Rear Diffuser
• Carbon Fiber Front Fenders
• Carbon Fiber Extractor Hood
• Carbon Fiber Rear Fender Flares


Interior Upgrades:
• Alcantara Headliner
• Carbon Fiber Door Sills
• Upgraded Leather & Stitching
• Hennessey Embroidered Heardrests
• Hennessey Premium Floormats

I will take one of these!!!! 

[cdr]

i guess nobody liked the r/t version lol

[hatersaurusrex]

That thing is really beautiful.  Tastes differ.  Remember, there are people who think Chevelles are pretty but Roadrunners are ugly.

[1969chargerrtse]

That thing is really beautiful.  Tastes differ.  Remember, there are people who think Chevelles are pretty but Roadrunners are ugly.

Finally someone see the beauty.  Not 100% in love with the front shot, but the side shot to me is as artful as my 69 charger design was.

[Dino]

Nope, don't like it.  I see what you're saying about the profile shot, it's not bad at all.  But the rest of it is pretty ugly like the rest of the caddies.  I wouldn't go as far as saying that side is as nice as a Charger's though.

[Ghoste]

Its just homely enough to star in the next Transformers movie.   

[John_Kunkel]

If it was given to me free, I'd drive it with enthusiasm.

If it cost $5000 I'd buy one.

If it costs what I think it costs, I'd buy a couple of muscle cars instead.

[TheGhost]

If it was given to me free, I'd drive it with enthusiasm.

If it cost $5000 I'd buy one.

If it costs what I think it costs, I'd buy a couple of muscle cars instead.

Sounds about right.

[Just 6T9 CHGR]

[1969chargerrtse]

Ha. Not feeling it eh?

[Mytur Binsdirti]

With that rear window, it's got to be a bitch to back up, Hope it's got a back up camera

[DC_1]

I like it.

I like the Hennessy version of the current model as well.

But then again I am also a fan of the the new Viper and many don't like that either.

[1974dodgecharger]

I like it.

I like the Hennessy version of the current model as well.

But then again I am also a fan of the the new Viper and many don't like that either.

new viper is cool....but hennessy is not.  I have a story where a close friend of mine lost 50k to him and had to fckin sue that A-hole through many years to get it back...

[JB400]

I've heard that about hennessey.  I guess he picks and chooses his customers.  Probably best to get one already done if you want one.

[1969chargerrtse]

I like it.

I like the Hennessy version of the current model as well.

But then again I am also a fan of the the new Viper and many don't like that either.

Don't care for the look of the Hennessey, but make mine red in this one.

[Ghoste]

With all those Cadillac electric bells and whistles it must have even poorer range and performance than the Volt.

[elanmars]

That looks ugly as all hell.

Reminds me of that recent thread were people were going on about cars they thought were cool at first but years down the line they went "what was I thinking!?"

This is one of those cars...

[1969chargerrtse]

That looks ugly as all hell.

Reminds me of that recent thread were people were going on about cars they thought were cool at first but years down the line they went "what was I thinking!?"

This is one of those cars...

  Ha, that was my thread.  Hope I'm not replying to that thread down the line?

[1969chargerrtse]

With all those Cadillac electric bells and whistles it must have even poorer range and performance than the Volt.

I'm sure things for the volt platform future cars will do nothing but get better and better.  If you use more juice the generator kicks on and away you go.

[Ghoste]

So they do have even poorer range and preformance than the Volt then.  If they have to have the generator kicking on more.  As for the future being better and better, well you are likely right but that doesn't do much for the poor performance in the here and now.

[1969chargerrtse]

So they do have even poorer range and performance than the Volt then.  If they have to have the generator kicking on more.  As for the future being better and better, well you are likely right but that doesn't do much for the poor performance in the here and now.

Today's new electric toys are already as fast if not faster than gas engines which have been out reversing their piston direction rotation for the past 100 years. Electric motors are 100% torque off the line. The little Tesla is 3.7 in 0 to 60   and just came out these past few years. That Cadillac will be amazing fast, and when the battery power is used the generator will take it from there.
And as more and more cars are sold, they will continue to make them better and better. I think we have a real cool future for cars coming.

[Ghoste]

I do too but I don't think it will be with electric cars.

[JB400]

 

I do too but I don't think it will be with electric cars.

I agree, I believe that biofuels are the future. They may not be as wide spread yet,  but, it looks like are future is going to be a little bit greener and smell like french fries.

[1969chargerrtse]

I do too but I don't think it will be with electric cars.

I agree, I believe that biofuels are the future. They may not be as wide spread yet,  but, it looks like are future is going to be a little bit greener and smell like french fries.

I still think Hydrogen fuel will be the big one.  Pull the battery packs out of the electric car and drop in a Hydrogen fuel cell.  There's already a lot of Hydrogen vehicles running around and more and more stations going up each year.

[Ghoste]

Where?   (not being sarcastic)

[1969chargerrtse]

I do too but I don't think it will be with electric cars.

True could be, I'm not a electric car nut by any means, I just like to see changes in propulsion and style that's all.

[1969chargerrtse]

Where?   (not being sarcastic)

Ca has probably over 20 by now, Fl, here in ct we built our first last year.
I remember reading about Hydrogen expansion when I was reading about the Honda FCX Clarity.  It's a hit in Ca and they had 17 at the time with more being built and that was 2 years ago.

Wow.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_station

http://automobiles.honda.com/fcx-clarity/

This is from 2010 " There are roughly 70 hydrogen filling stations nationwide, most of them in California, but this claims to be the very first one to be open to the public at large."

[Ghoste]

Still not being sarcastic, but there are only two open to the public then, on a Cali and one in Ct?

[1969chargerrtse]

Still not being sarcastic, but there are only two open to the public then, on a Cali and one in Ct?

The first one for the public was 2 years ago.  Looks like there are 100's of stations by now in the US.  I don't care enough to look further into it, I just think Hydrogen is a very common source behind the scenes and may work into a common use soon in the future.

[Ghoste]

I think hydrogen will come along more as well.  I think it holds much more promise than electric cars but I didn't think it had moved past the experimental stage and other than some stations for public transit fleet experiments in California didn't know of any other stations.

[1969chargerrtse]

I think hydrogen will come along more as well.  I think it holds much more promise than electric cars but I didn't think it had moved past the experimental stage and other than some stations for public transit fleet experiments in California didn't know of any other stations.

http://www.h2carblog.com/?p=1191
And that info is also 2 years old.
Looks like Hydrogen is gonna be huge in a few years public speaking world wide.
Hydrogen cars are electric cars. Hydrogen splits and makes electricity for the electric car motor and pure clean drinking water for the by product.

[1969chargerrtse]

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/06/in-u-s-hydrogen-cars-may-line-up-with-few-places-to-fill-up/

The cars are coming with a slow but defiante future of stations following.

[Ghoste]

Sorry I should have been more clear for you.  Battery powered cars have not improved much in the last 100 years and I don't see that version of the electric car as a saviour or even much more than a fad roght now.

[1969chargerrtse]

Sorry I should have been more clear for you.  Battery powered cars have not improved much in the last 100 years and I don't see that version of the electric car as a saviour or even much more than a fad roght now.

You were probably clear, I don't always get the correct point. Well I disagree, that was the thought back in 1990 with the first Honda insight hybrid.  Then Toyota took a lost on each Prius at first, and today I see them all over the road including a shiny Volt at my kids school. They are here in small numbers and coming your way soon in many forms by many manufactures. I think each major car company has electric cars on the board from whatever power soure.

[Cooter]

Those design teams need to get of whatever they are smoking when they begin drawing cars. That thing is hideous.

[Indygenerallee]

We will all be nomads like in The Road Warrior searching for "The precious juice" before everyone is driving a hydrogen powered car...

[Cooter]

"Light me Johnny"..

[1969chargerrtse]

We will all be nomads like in The Road Warrior searching for "The precious juice" before everyone is driving a hydrogen powered car...

You won't have to search far because Hydrogen comes from many sources, like water.

[chargerboy69]

I think it is sharp. . .I really do like it.

Not practical for me or my family, but the thing is cool looking.

[1969chargerrtse]

I think it is sharp. . .I really do like it.

Not practical for me or my family, but the thing is cool looking.

How anyone can not think the body lines on this picture are not cool is mind boggling to me?  But I'm O.K about it, to each his/her own.

[Cooter]

You like what you like...Proof is in that Trans Am. To me, the Trans Am died in around 1992 or so.

[elanmars]

I think it is sharp. . .I really do like it.

Not practical for me or my family, but the thing is cool looking.

How anyone can not think the body lines on this picture are not cool is mind boggling to me?  But I'm O.K about it, to each his/her own.

I liked Tron and all but wouldn't want to drive something that looks like it came from that movie. It looks like a jacked up Japanese ricer or something I'd see in a Japanese sci-fi animated series/movie.

[Fred]

Sorry I should have been more clear for you.  Battery powered cars have not improved much in the last 100 years and I don't see that version of the electric car as a saviour or even much more than a fad roght now.

I'm inclined to agree. I think anyone buying them will get sick of them pretty quickly and trade them in.

[Ghoste]

This is like "Volt-the Sequel", but with a higher priced box to hold a technology that failed 100 years ago.

[1969chargerrtse]

You like what you like...Proof is in that Trans Am. To me, the Trans Am died in around 1992 or so.

I know little of Firebird history and really could careless about them. That's why I haven't joined a Pontiac forum. When I sold the charger I was looking for a American Muscle car That would be newer, convertible, hideaway lamps, and have either crazy stripes or big scoops. The last year TA screemed at me.  I get 3 times the mpg, it's fast and loud and I now can drop the top. No regrets, l Love the car. Solid and nasty looking. To me anyway, and that's all that really counts.  I had 15k left over, we sided the house and it was a great move. Do I miss the Charger? Of course but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.  I passed a 340 Dart the other day, I felt a tad sad.  

[JB400]

This is like "Volt-the Sequel", but with a higher priced box to hold a technology that failed 100 years ago.

[Ghoste]

I thought you had it bad for the Firebirds a long time?  Do you think you will keep it for long then?

[1969chargerrtse]

This is like "Volt-the Sequel", but with a higher priced box to hold a technology that failed 100 years ago.

That's like saying the old hit and miss motors from 100 years ago are like our high tech engines of today?  A cast iron engine back then standing 6 ft tall and weighing tons put out about 10 horse power. I think the high tech lighter engines of today and the complex transfer drive of the volt and and the high tech battery packs are a little different from back then.

[Ghoste]

The technology failed back then because of limited range, the ongoing hassle of recharging and the expense and hassle of battery replacement.  Those are the same reasons these things aren't flying out the factory exit doors right now.

[JB400]

We keep trying to go up on the escalator that's going down.

[Ghoste]

Exactly.  Its a stop gap to appease the government who are hungering for votes from the greens and greenly misled public.  There are improvements in battery maintainance and charging time but most of the practical use limitations from the past still exist.  Sorry but I think the internal combustion V8 made light year advances beyond the hit and miss engines especially compared to the electric car.

[1969chargerrtse]

The technology failed back then because of limited range, the ongoing hassle of recharging and the expense and hassle of battery replacement.  Those are the same reasons these things aren't flying out the factory exit doors right now.

That makes no sense at all. You must be talking about electric cars?  In that case due to 100 years of improvements the electric car of today travels much further than it did back then. You mentioned the Volt. The Volt is generator backed up so you can drive as far as you wish. You're probably one of the many that said the Volt would never materialize yet there are several in my town.
Few major changes of technologies that cost 10's of thousands fly off the self. Go back and learn about the slow growth of hybrids when they first came out. How many cars are out there with Hybrid technology today?  10's of thousands. 

[JB400]

If memory serves me, I remember reading about an electric car that was built at the turn of the 20th century.  There wasn't too many takers.  GM built like 25 cars in late 80's early 90's just as a trial run.  They ended up recalling all of them and crushing them.  I forget the name.  They might have learned a lesson from them, but the gov wasn't listening, or flunked history.

[1969chargerrtse]

Exactly.  Its a stop gap to appease the government who are hungering for votes from the greens and greenly misled public.  There are improvements in battery maintainance and charging time but most of the practical use limitations from the past still exist.  Sorry but I think the internal combustion V8 made light year advances beyond the hit and miss engines especially compared to the electric car.

Ha!!!  The government theory again. Yeah they killed Miss Monroe too.

[1969chargerrtse]

We keep trying to go up on the escalator that's going down.

And I'm an escalator mechanic, and I just can't seem to fix it.  The old rule still applies. You don't like it, don't buy it.

[Ghoste]

Decry and deny all you want the electric is not the smashing success story you keep trying to make everyone believe.  The electric car of yesterday had a shorter range than the one of today and it was slower.  The gasoline car of yesterday had a shorter range and was slower than the one of today.  The gasoline car of yesterday was better than the electric one of yesterday and the areas it bested it on made for the elctric cars first failure.
They BOTH have benefited from 100 years of advancement and the electric car is still the poorer choice.  The modern electric car improves the vehicles driving performance as much as the modern gas car improves on the Model T.  The reasons I cited for its failure then are just as valid now.  Short range, charging hassle and costs.  They aren't selling well and thats a fact.  The sales have improved but they are dismal on the whole.  There are several in your town but there are none in mine.  My sample group is just as valid as yours.  What is the percentage of all electric cars sold against all internal combustion ones?
You can't deny government pressure on the auto companies.  Have you forgotten the California ZEV and "Grandpa Volt, the Prequel"?  The EV1 was an experiment but it is a precursor.  Yes, the mfgs were still experimenting with electric before the buyout, but development went up several notches during the government inquisition as they soundly chastised the carmakers for not building cars that got 65 mpg with no emmissions.
You cheer them on all the time but when you sold your Charger even you didn't buy one.  You will reply that you had to have another toy and hence the Firebird.  If the electric was as good as you pretend you would have one in your driveway now.  But you are right, it is a personal choice and I obviously won't be buying one either.

[JB400]

We keep trying to go up on the escalator that's going down.

And I'm an escalator mechanic, and I just can't seem to fix it.  The old rule still applies. You don't like it, don't buy it.

What are the odds.  Who knew?   I agree with the G man

[1969chargerrtse]

Decry and deny all you want the electric is not the smashing success story you keep trying to make everyone believe.  The electric car of yesterday had a shorter range than the one of today and it was slower.  The gasoline car of yesterday had a shorter range and was slower than the one of today.  The gasoline car of yesterday was better than the electric one of yesterday and the areas it bested it on made for the elctric cars first failure.
They BOTH have benefited from 100 years of advancement and the electric car is still the poorer choice.  The modern electric car improves the vehicles driving performance as much as the modern gas car improves on the Model T.  The reasons I cited for its failure then are just as valid now.
You can't deny government pressure on the auto companies.  Have you forgotten the California ZEV and "Grandpa Volt, the Prequel"?  The EV1 was an experiment but it is a precursor.  Yes, the carmakers were still experimenting with electric before the buyout, but development went up several notches during the government inquisition as they soundly chastised the carmakers for not building cars that got 65 mpg with no emmissions.
You cheer them on all the time but when you sold your Charger even you didn't buy one.  You will reply that you had to have another toy and hence the Firebird.  If the electric was as good as you pretend you would have one in your driveway now.  But you are right, it is a personal choice.

I understand and agree with most of your points. One thing a little off is I sold the Charger ( my toy/hobby ) because I felt I had to much invested in it for the little use I used it and it was expensive to use. I bought a car I enjoy as much and is cheaper to maintain. It ends there. I think electric cars backed by a generator only, not electric cars alone are a cool new future ahead of us. I can't afford one for a family car. I'm lucky to have the TA in this economy as a toy.  Sometimes I feel quilty about that, being a family of 5 in these hard times  .  I'm the real deal. A dying breed. Since I was 14 In 1969 I always had a muscle car. I'm appreciative to still have one as a toy but I fear time is closing in when even the TA may have to go due to 3 college bills close head. If I could afford a Volt I'd buy one. But that has nothing to do with my hobby cars.

[1969chargerrtse]

Wait. I don't agree with all of your points. What's the sales of electric cars compared to gas cars?   So let's take 100 years of gas only sales and compare it to a technology about 2 years on the road?  Also I like the volt generator idea nothing more. So stop bringing up all electric range limited electric cars.  I've never raved about them except for the quick power available. I never supported the leaf idea. Sales for the leaf keep dropping. Sales for the volt keep growing. And GM has only just started with this new technology. Watch and learn as sales climb as more and more models come out and improve. Give the Volt platform a 100 year lead.

[Ghoste]

Ah but you missed my one point again.  The Volt is NOT a two year old technology.  It is also a 100 year old one and the generator, although a fine add on in an attempt to give it some practicality is also an admission of the cars limitations.  In any case, I just in no way at all feel the love for the Volt of the Caddyvolt in both technology and styling.

[1969chargerrtse]

Ah but you missed my one point again.  The Volt is NOT a two year old technology.  It is also a 100 year old one and the generator, although a fine add on in an attempt to give it some practicality is also an admission of the cars limitations.  In any case, I just in no way at all feel the love for the Volt of the Caddyvolt in both technology and styling.

Gotcha. Caddyvolt. I love it. That's a good one.

[Ghoste]

And you know what really, this is one of those discussions I wish we could have in person because its never going to come across properly in this method.  I don't hate the car, I see it as a useful experiment and a lot can be gained from it.  I don't like the styling of either one but that is obviously a totally subjective opinion. (for that matter, opinions on the technology and its viability are largely that as well aren't they?).  I don't hate it but I do not feel any love either.

[1969chargerrtse]

And you know what really, this is one of those discussions I wish we could have in person because its never going to come across properly in this method.  I don't hate the car, I see it as a useful experiment and a lot can be gained from it.  I don't like the styling of either one but that is obviously a totally subjective opinion. (for that matter, opinions on the technology and its viability are largely that as well aren't they?).  I don't hate it but I do not feel any love either.

I'm feeling ya. I'm up for anything in the motoring world.