Photos from Musclepalooza 9-2-12

[XS29L]

Here's some photos from Musclepalooza at Lebanon Valley Dragway.http://s1146.beta.photobucket.com/user/MoparsandSteam/library/Musclepalooza%2016    

[XS29L]

I'll add more pictures later today if you folks would like to see them.

[Ghoste]

HELL YES!!!!!!!!

[XS29L]

Here ya go .  I have more that I'll add tonite.http://s1146.beta.photobucket.com/user/MoparsandSteam/library/more%20muscle

[Ghoste]

I would like to go to Musclepalooza one day, I always like the coverage it gets in Hemmings and MCR.

[BrianShaughnessy]

    Thanks for the pix.   

[resq302]

I would like to go to Musclepalooza one day, I always like the coverage it gets in Hemmings and MCR.

Thats cause Hemmings puts the show on!  I have nothing nice to say about them so I just wont say anything at all other than I will not support any of their shows again!

[XS29L]

Here's the last of my pictures.  http://s1146.beta.photobucket.com/user/MoparsandSteam/library/part%203  Enjoy!

[XS29L]

Just noticed the order of the pictures got mixed around after I put them in photobucket . You guys are sharp you can tell which motor goes with what car. Thanks to bakerhillpins for the advice on how to post pictures.  Mopars at the Valley is the next show for me at Lebanon Valley, sept 29th. Anyone going ?

[Fred]

   Thanks for the pix.   

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[tan top]

 good lot of pictures !! thanks for sharing 

[Charger_Dart]

The show was a good time, lots of real nice cars.

Thanks for sharing a pic of mine! 

[Ghoste]

I would like to go to Musclepalooza one day, I always like the coverage it gets in Hemmings and MCR.

Thats cause Hemmings puts the show on!  I have nothing nice to say about them so I just wont say anything at all other than I will not support any of their shows again!

Bad experience huh?

[resq302]

Yup!  Lets just say that a FAR from stock Hemi 4 spd 69 Charger did not take anything at the show the day prior yet takes a first place at the Concour's show the very next day!  I guess Hemmings thinks that a 3" exhaust, scatter shield bell housing, manual disc brakes, grille that is far recessed on one the pass. side and sticking way out on the drivers side, missing rubber hood gaskets (front and back), plus some other stuff is "factory correct".   Not to mention I had a Hemmings editor who was a judge on Sat come up and ask me what the VIN code for a Hemi was since he was questioning the VIN on the dash since one side of it was all mangled like it was removed at one point.

Its pretty bad when all of the other charger owners in the class come up to me and say that I got screwed.  To add to that, when Hemmings had their Musclepalooza at Englishtown, NJ a few years ago, John Antonelli and I were parked next to each other and not one judge walked around either his car or my car the entire day.  One walked past our cars going down the isle but that was it.  We were also there all day during the judging times too since we were trying to fix a brake light issue with John's car.

So, take it as you will, but I can stand getting burned once by them and chalk it up to whatever.  Twice, it kinda seems like they play favorites or cars are pre-determined who wins.  Just sayin' something doesn't seem right and that is why I will not support them anymore.

Also heard a story about a certain Mopar police car that even had a feature done on it by Hemmings themselves and then turned him away from entering Musclepalooza even after many repeat years prior they would let him in with their reasoning...... it wasn't a "muscle car" yet it was feature in their Hemmings Muscle Machines magazine.

[XS29L]

I was at the gate at Lebanon Valley when that police car got turned away. The blockhead at the gate said it was not a " musclecar", I think that was B.S.  But that was just one a*#hole that wouldn't know a musclecar if it ran him over. Which is what the driver of that car nearly did when he was backing out of line , while punching the throttle and spinning the tires in disgust over the decision. I never went to the show at E-town but I can tell you that the judging at the show at the valley in done by the magazine staff. That being said those guys don't come off as being Mopar fans. Sorry to hear about your experience but as a spectator I've always enjoyed this show along with the one in May.

[resq302]

Yes, it was the same people (magazine staff and editors) judging at Musclepalooza in E-town as it was up at their Hemmings Vermont Concours d'Elegance show.  Also, I don't care if they are not Mopar fans or not but if you are including ALL muscle cars and "judging" them, then darn it, at least give us the courtesy of making an attempt at looking like you care.  Not blow us off and don't even give the car a quick walk around while judging.  As for the Concours show, I emailed them and asked if I could get a copy of the judging sheet which they did no problem.  When I got the judging sheet, I had to laugh as they put a post it note inside the sheet saying "Only 4 points off - Great Job!".  Well, if I got only 4 points off, I'd sure love to know what the hemi car got docked with all that was wrong with it!

[Ghoste]

Given some of the factual errors in their magazine I sometimes wonder if some of them are musclecar fans of any stripe.  They are getting better but they sometimes print some "less than well researched" articles.

[resq302]

Come to think of it, when I was in the parade up to receive my prize, they mentioned a little about the car along with adding "painted resale red".   

[XS29L]

So does that mean that you didn't like my pictures ?  Seriously this is why I don't get uptight about participating in car shows. I go to enjoy the cars not the trophies . Don't get me wrong I'm not defending the magazine guys (I gave up on muscle machines magazine a long time ago) but anytime you combine  about 700-800 musclecars and a dragstrip your gong to have a good time .  IMHO

[bill440rt]

Brian, don't take this the wrong way, but if you were to compare apples to apples wouldn't your car be considered not "factory correct" either like that '69 Hemi car? Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not picking it apart or anything. Your car IS excellent, but let's face it, it HAS been painted "resale red". Just like mine.       

Don't let it get to you. Crap like that stopped bothering me long ago. 
I once lost at a local show to... wait for it...     a Volvo.       I've probably gone back to that show 4 times since then. I just enjoy the show & seeing old friends.

[resq302]

Bill,

To answer your question... yes and no.  Is it the original color that the car was born with?  No.  However, it is an optional factory color that could have come on the car from the factory.  Manual disc brakes, 3 inch exhaust, and a scatter shield bell housing were never available from the factory!   That was my main complaint.  Plus the fact that the questionable "hemi" status came into fact too with it now being a "winner" at a Concours, even if it is a fake, now gives it some more credibility for a true hemi car since Concour's is supposed to be all about factory correctness.

[BananaDan]

So does that mean that you didn't like my pictures ?

I like your pictures. 

[Ghoste]

As someone who attends a lot of concour's events each year though, I can tell you that how they look to me is that very often it is what the judges "perceive" as correct more than what was actually done.  And "pretty" seems to go a long way in determining what is correct to them.  Not all concour's but many (perhaps most) of them seem to be this way.  Judges are frequently chosen for celebrity status as much as knowledge in those places.
For me personally I would much rather win accolades at the Nats in their OEM certified class than Best In Class at one of the higher end events.  A lot of the OEM winners with their factory duplicated paint flaws wouldn't pass the muster at many concour's.
Thats just my opinion though.

[bill440rt]

Bill,

To answer your question... yes and no.  Is it the original color that the car was born with?  No.  However, it is an optional factory color that could have come on the car from the factory.  Manual disc brakes, 3 inch exhaust, and a scatter shield bell housing were never available from the factory!   That was my main complaint.  Plus the fact that the questionable "hemi" status came into fact too with it now being a "winner" at a Concours, even if it is a fake, now gives it some more credibility for a true hemi car since Concour's is supposed to be all about factory correctness.

I'm not sure how winning an award would give a car credibility as a "true" Hemi car, if in fact it wasn't. I'm not even sure that Concours shows are supposed to be all about "factory correctness". If it were, then you'd see most antique vehicles there black & painted with a brush.     Actually, it's all about art form really. Most cars at Concours events are displayed with the hood closed. Probably more about quality & art form more so than "correctness".



To the OP, I like your pictures, too!  


**Edit: Ghoste, your post went up as I was typing mine. Wholeheartedly agree.