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Anybody here use Fusor to put your quarter panels on??

Started by Indygenerallee, September 05, 2012, 02:39:48 PM

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Indygenerallee

Has anybody used Lord Fusor to install your quarters or rear sheetmetal? I have been thinking it over and everytime I think about doing it it seems more of a advantage. I had a 3M rep years ago (2003) come to a autobody class I was attending and they demonstrated their product and we put it on two pieces of sheetmetal and clamped it and used a come-a-long to try and break the joint where it was adhered and the metal ripped around it. I am thinking it would be much easier especially the outer wheelhouses, roof to quarter and especially the rear filler panel in between each quarter as I have looked at it and it looks to be a huge PITA to weld in, the fact I like about it is you have no bare metal from the weld to cover and protect to keep corrosion from spreading, and it acts as a seam sealer allowing no pockets of moisture between the panels. Obviously the trunk pan I would weld to the frame rails and even the trunk drop offs but I think the valance panel and corners would be a perfect area for this as well.
Sold my Charger unfortunately....never got it finished.

bill440rt

Yeah Indy, I used it on my '69 when replacing some rear body sheetmetal. I used 3M's product though, not Fusor.
Used it on a pass side quarter skin along the bottom (welded up the sides & across the top, though). Also used it on the rear valence, and corner caps. For the trunk floor, I did a combination of both bonding AND welding. The panels aren't going ANYWHERE! Strong stuff.  :yesnod:

What you don't want to do, and this is specified in the tech sheets, is use it on an outside finished seam. That is why I still welded across the long seam on the quarter skin. Over time, due to different rates of expansion & contraction of the metals and the adhesive, it is prone to ghost lines showing up. The car has been painted at least 4 years now, there is nothing showing thru at the weld seam and anything I bonded is still holding plenty strong.
It is perfect for non-visible seams, such as lower quarter flanges, rear valence, etc. Of course, you don't want to go sectioning frame rails with the stuff, but it does have it's purpose.
You are also right about the corrosion resistance and seam sealing. For example, after welding that long seam across the top of the quarter skin, I used panel bond on the inside of the trunk along that seam (also used a flange tool for the overlap). So, I was able to squirt the adhesive up into any gap between the two panels, making that seam even stronger. After smoothing out any oozing adhesive with a brush followed by undercoating, the seam was invisible. The adhesive also tended to flow out & flatten as it cured.
Hope that helps some.  :2thumbs:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

Indygenerallee

Yeah I have full AMD quarters so I figured it would save a boatload of time and not have to worry about warping sheetmetal, and the fact that my wheel wells will be smooth (I hate seeing the spot weld indention on factory cars) I saw a video of a crash test of a car that had the quarter replaced with the 3M stuff and it buckled and bent but did not pop off anywhere.
Sold my Charger unfortunately....never got it finished.

cdr

hey indy.i have thought about the same thing,right now my new quarter is just hangin there,waiting on some money to get an outer wheel house,BUT i decided that i will weld mine because,IF it ever got hit & had to replace qtr again it would be a disaster if it was glued on  :Twocents:
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Indygenerallee

Im gonna put enough insurance on my Daytona clone that if I get hit and they total it I will be able to buy a real Daytona!!  :nana:
Sold my Charger unfortunately....never got it finished.

DC_1

Quote from: Indygenerallee on September 06, 2012, 09:43:59 AM
Im gonna put enough insurance on my Daytona clone that if I get hit and they total it I will be able to buy a real Daytona!!  :nana:

That's the way to do it!

Btw, I've used Fusor brand many times for panels and even for patches on non classics. Huge time saver in my opinion. Old school body men hate it though. They believe nothing is better than welding on the panel. I think panel bond is a better method for non structural components and panels as it creates no heat, seals the attaching point from moisture and like I already said, is a huge time saver.  :Twocents:

Indygenerallee

QuoteI think panel bond is a better method for non structural components and panels as it creates no heat, seals the attaching point from moisture and like I already said, is a huge time saver.
:2thumbs:
Sold my Charger unfortunately....never got it finished.

charger_fan_4ever

Thought about it, but int he end when doing the rear clip all was welded. Used the panel bond for the roofskin along the drip rails and cross braces. Welded across the front/rear window channels.

I'm sure you will love the fit and finish of the AMD valance corners/rear valance.  :brickwall:

The lower 1/4 to trunk extension wasn't welded untill after the corner cap fiasco. The lower bodyline where it meets the 1/4 had to be remade on the caps and valance.






Finished result



Indygenerallee

Oh yeah I know what you mean I have all my AMD parts and I was not happy with the full quarters they look like shit (you could surf on them) alot of imperfections the only AMD pieces I have that I could brag on are the front fenders.
Sold my Charger unfortunately....never got it finished.

charger_fan_4ever

Quote from: Indygenerallee on September 06, 2012, 10:19:01 AM
Oh yeah I know what you mean I have all my AMD parts and I was not happy with the full quarters they look like shit (you could surf on them) alot of imperfections the only AMD pieces I have that I could brag on are the front fenders.

As we all know can't get 70 front fenders from AMD. Thats was another  :brickwall:

Only part we could brag about was the 1 piece trunk floor. Fit like a glove. The full floor pan was second in fit. Needed a little help at the torsion bar memeber.

All the other panels(and we changed them all lol) needed way more tweaking than they should.

1/4's ya  :rotz:

Gotta love bondoing the 1/4's full length. :eek2:

bill440rt

BTW, panels that have been bonded can be separated by concentrated applied heat from a heat gun.
:Twocents:
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cdr

Quote from: bill440rt on September 06, 2012, 10:36:04 AM
BTW, panels that have been bonded can be separated by concentrated applied heat from a heat gun.
:Twocents:
that might change my mind ,thanx  :icon_smile_big:
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bill440rt

Quote from: cdr on September 06, 2012, 11:01:03 AM
Quote from: bill440rt on September 06, 2012, 10:36:04 AM
BTW, panels that have been bonded can be separated by concentrated applied heat from a heat gun.
:Twocents:
that might change my mind ,thanx  :icon_smile_big:

:2thumbs:
"Strive for perfection in everything. Take the best that exists and make it better. If it doesn't exist, create it. Accept nothing nearly right or good enough." Sir Henry Rolls Royce

charger_fan_4ever

Quote from: bill440rt on September 06, 2012, 10:36:04 AM
BTW, panels that have been bonded can be separated by concentrated applied heat from a heat gun.
:Twocents:

Good to know thanks.

Indygenerallee

Sold my Charger unfortunately....never got it finished.