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why trailer a car backwards?

Started by XS29L9Bxxxxxx, September 02, 2012, 09:45:01 AM

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bill440rt

Quote from: Aero426 on September 02, 2012, 09:51:25 AM
You need a certain amount of tongue weight on the front of the trailer.   If there is an engine in the car, towing backwards like that is asking for trouble.    



Exactly. It's all about balance.
Too much weight on the rear WILL cause the trailer to sway. Too much in the front is not good either.
If your trailer is long enough so that even if the car is placed backwards & it is still balanced, then OK. But it would seem you would need an awfully long trailer.
If the car is a roller it really doesn't matter which way it's on there, as long as the car is secured correctly. There's no extra weight of an engine to deal with.

Actually, most of "today's" half-ton pickups have much more towing capacity due to design advancements. My '11 1500 has nearly the identical towing capacity as my former '07 2500. I think it actually tows better.
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Scaregrabber

I've hauled them that way several times. If there is no engine and you can get the tonque weight right it doesn't matter. When you load and move cars by yourself sometimes it isn't easy to change the direction of the car on the trailer so it will be visually appealing to those who watch it go by.

Sheldon

Trulyvintage

Quote from: XS29L9Bxxxxxx on September 02, 2012, 09:45:01 AM
Maybe it's me, but what's the point?  :shruggy: Towing or trailering, I have always loaded a car, nose first  :Twocents:

To answer your question,

I would guess that the thinking would be less damage to the front by loading it
from the rear ...   :scratchchin:

But, in the example you originally referenced, the majority of the weight is behind the axle(s).

I have transported with both open & enclosed - I don't think I will switch
back from an enclosed trailer.

The roads are too bad - the weather too unpredictable.

If you care about your vehicle - it will be transported in an enclosed trailer.


Jim

XS29L9Bxxxxxx

Quote from: Trulyvintage on September 03, 2012, 11:58:00 PM
But, in the example you originally referenced, the majority of the weight is behind the axle(s).
 

Jim[/i]

Respectfully, I disagree. There is very little weight "behind the axle" on Chargers. Especially with the rusted trunks most of them have  :Twocents: Seriously, moving a vehicle one or two feet either way on the trailer can balance the weight and add/reduce tongue weight.  :scratchchin:

Besides, hauling a car backwards, remains dorky  :Twocents:

Ghoste

I think he means putting the bulk of the load weight behind the trailer axle.  :icon_smile_wink:

Old Moparz

One thing I see that looks like a disaster waiting to happen, mostly on the green car, is the mis-use of the tie downs. Since when is wrapping fabric around steel edges, which are probably sharp, a good idea? Even if they aren't as sharp as a razor, the constant rubbing, vibrations, wind, or the first time the driver hits the brakes hard, the fabric can let go & send the car flying.
               Bob               



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Ghoste

Those wouldn't be my first choice either.  The trailer kind of looks like an all purpose one though and not a dedicated car hauler.  I doubt that flat bed has anyplace on it to tie down to.

Old Moparz

Quote from: Ghoste on September 04, 2012, 09:15:47 AM
Those wouldn't be my first choice either.  The trailer kind of looks like an all purpose one though and not a dedicated car hauler.  I doubt that flat bed has anyplace on it to tie down to.


True, especially without the beaver tail. When I bought my car hauler it didn't have d-rings, just the front curb rail & stake pockets. I would put a chain around the front curb rail, then hook the tie downs to the chains. At the rear, the c-channel lip for the ramps was able to accommodate the hooks. It didn't take long for me to have someone weld on 4 d-rings in the front & 4 in the rear. Total price was $80 & well worth it for piece of mind.
               Bob               



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Trulyvintage

Quote from: Ghoste on September 04, 2012, 06:28:23 AM
I think he means putting the bulk of the load weight behind the trailer axle.  :icon_smile_wink:


Just to clarify ...   :Twocents:

The first post on this Thread shows a Blue Charger loaded backwards (front facing rear of trailer)
on an open U haul trailer.

Assuming there is an engine in the car, this puts the bulk of the weight behind the axles
to the rear of the trailer.

I don't think that is safe .....   :rotz:

In fact, a member posted Towing Guidelines from U Haul on the first page
along with a link ....   :2thumbs:



" Important towing information

Prevent whipping by properly loading the auto transport trailer. The vehicle-in-tow must be loaded facing forward (front wheels on auto transport trailer). Loading the vehicle-in-tow backwards can cause the tow vehicle and the auto transport trailer "combination" to begin whipping, which is violent and uncontrollable sway.

Side to side motion (sway) that begins as you reach a certain speed, will likely become whipping at higher speeds. If you notice sway beginning slow down immediately by letting off the gas pedal. Then stop to check the auto transport trailer and vehicle-in-tow as soon as possible.

If whipping or sway occurs, do not steer, do not apply your brakes and never speed up. Let off the gas pedal and hold the steering wheel in a straight-ahead position.

A "combination disturbance" is improper handling, whipping, sway, over-steering or other deviation of the tow vehicle or auto transport trailer from their intended path, due to one or more causes (improper loading, steering inputs, excessive speed, cross winds, passing vehicles, rough roads, etc). If a combination disturbance occurs, do not steer or brake. Steering or braking during a disturbance can cause a loss of control or crash. "


I see plenty of jack-knifed and overturned trailers driving down the road ....   :rotz:

I agree with U Haul ....  :Twocents:



Jim :drive:






472 R/T SE

Do it any way you want.  If you load it backwards & the trailer starts whipping on you & you & the rig come out OK, I guarantee it'll never happen again.

RTDaddy

All are wrong.  Trailering the car backwards runs milage off of the odometer.   :icon_smile_big: Did none of you pay attention to Ferris Bueller?

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c00nhunterjoe

My neighbor always did it backwards to prevent stone chips and bugs from getting all over his grill and windshield. I couldn't help but ask what his plans were to prevent stone chips and dead bugs on the rearof thecar.   He scratched his head and replied, I never thought about it like that.

Ghoste


ACUDANUT

It's already been said...Stupid.  If there is a engine up front, it better load that way....But hey, let the idiots find out the hard way.

Trulyvintage

Quote from: c00nhunterjoe on September 04, 2012, 03:45:14 PM
My neighbor always did it backwards to prevent stone chips and bugs from getting all over his grill and windshield. I couldn't help but ask what his plans were to prevent stone chips and dead bugs on the rearof thecar.   He scratched his head and replied, I never thought about it like that.

That was my thinking too as to why the car was loaded backwards .....    :icon_smile_wink:



Jim

Troy

I still say neither car has an engine. On the blue one, look at how the truck is sagging (ie lots of tongue weight OR busted rear springs OR it's a Chevy/GMC which always seem to squat). If the engine were in the car there'd be very little weight on the tongue - but still some as the engine would still be just barely behind the rear axle on the trailer yet 3/4s of the car would be in front. Most smaller trucks can't have more than about 500 pounds on the tongue any way (which is why I initially said you almost had to tow backwards on a short U-Haul trailer). That car doesn't appear to have an oil pan, exhaust, or transmission. The green one clearly doesn't have an exhaust and I don't see anything else hanging down in the engine area. I've been "hung up" more than a few times on exhaust pipes as they're generally the lowest solid parts between the wheels.

Troy
Sarcasm detector, that's a real good invention.

Dino

Engine or not, you're a fool to hang the tie down on the sway bar.  That's just asking for trouble.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

elacruze

There's a much simpler reason sometimes-

If you have to winch the car up, there's no way to hook up to the front of a 2gen Charger without leaning on the front valence. I had mine hauled on the flatbed backwards-of course it only went 3 miles. Hooking the rear axle is easy and safe.

Weight distribution as stated above is critical and very hard to make right on a single-car trailer with the engine to the rear. Otherwise, there's no difference which end goes first.
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Lizey

I have a '93 GMC half ton with an '18 trailer that weighs about 1600 pounds. With my Charger on the trailer forwards, I can barely make it out of my driveway without hitting the pavement. I wouldn't feel comfortable taking it out on the road. Backwards like shown in the picture Ive pretty much got it figured out how Ive got plenty of tongue weight so it goes down the road fine and my truck's rear suspension can still handle the load.
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Scaregrabber

Lizey: You don't look like an idiot. You've got the car forward, it looks fine.

Sheldon

bordin34

But which way should this be loaded?

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