Just wondering

[Gary42]

I am kicking around the idea of selling my 1972 Dodge Charger. Its a Rally car with a 340, and its numbers matching car. Hemi orange with a black interior. I have a ton of used and new OEM parts that will go with it if I decide to sell this car. Here is the problem. It is a running car, but here in "lies," used its spelling this way because that's all I feel I have been given, sry, don't want to offend anyone on here. Now, as for road worthy now? No! When I bought this car 5 years ago it was. I contracted with a local guy to do some quarter panel and other work for me, not the body work or paint. After a thousand dollar deposit, of the $3500 we agreed on, pallet of sand blasting sand, and two and three year wait, I now have a car that is short of the drivers side quarter panel and a front windshield. Like I said I have about everything it needs for a complete resto and then some. I also have the complete rear of another car that was to be used for parts if necessary. I guess I've just reached that boiling point as to where I lost interest in it, and now want to move onto something else. Since I sold my Hummer and bought a new Challenger with the Rally package, my interest has changed. I know what I have invested in this car and have been watching the sales continue to rise, but I'm not interested in making any money on it, just what I have in it. Could anyone given me a round about figure as to what its actually worth. Keeping in mind it does need to be restored but is not a basket case as I have seen on eBay or craigslist. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
V/R
Gary

[Troy]

It's tough to sell a project - especially one that's disassembled and missing large chunks of sheet metal. I'd guess less than 10% of its finished value. Sad. I've tried selling project cars - and generally given up. It doesn't seem to matter what all you have or how easy it is to reassemble - the people who buy these generally do so because they can get them for pennies on the dollar.

Troy

[41husk]

Are you looking for a value?  If so I would start at trying to get back what you have in it.  Give that a little time.  ask a little more than that so you have some room to negotiate.  Try to be patient.  If you can not get what you have in it or a reasonable offer, you will have to decide what you can afford to lose or finish the job and enjoy the car  I love the 72 rallye and I am sure there are others out there who feel the same and may want to finish the work!  Good luck!

[Ghoste]

I agree with Troy, projects are tough to sell without taking a bath it always seems.

[Gary42]

Surely I agree with Troy and I am seeing this reaction more and more each day. Dang thing is.......if it were still looking like it did when I purchased it (not good at all) then they would buy it. They are going to have to do what I have, or as I say "have not" had done, eventually, but they just cannot seem to get beyond the sheet metal issue. Even when I show them what I have and how much I have invested in all the parts. I love this car and I truly think it would be a great looking car sitting next to my new Challenger, but I guess since all this happened I feel like just giving up. I have a chance to buy a good 70 Charger shell to clone into a Daytona like I had planned a couple of years ago. I can purchase most everything I need from a friend to do this, but I feel that I might need to move forward and let go of this project before starting a new one. Value? I wish I could say. I am sincerely grateful for the advice, and it is well taken from those who have taken the time to post their opinion.
V/R
Gary

[Daytona R/T SE]

Can you post some pictures?

[myk]

Well definitely don't start another project when you're still wrestling with one at the moment.  You'll feel ripped off if you sell the car as it is, but if you're no longer feeling anything for the car it might be just as good to cut your losses.  Look at it this way: even if you finished the car you'd be that much more into the project financially and you still won't get what you feel you deserve for the project.  So, it's decision time: wash your hands of it and cut your losses, or build it and cut your losses then, but with the sense of accomplishment and who knows?  You may even like the car enough to keep it.  Good luck, 'OP...

[Gary42]

I will post some pics this weekend, just hate to uncover it and look at the mess I am left with. I truly thought I was doing well when I had found the build sheet and the double fender tags, Although it is a numbers matching car, seeing the Daytona that Hotrod is going to start on next week sincerely brought my decision to "maybe" one step closer to selling this car and begin on a clone. After seeing the most amazing document I had ever seen today, even Larry had never seen a document like this, some sort of Chrysler document found under the rear carpet of this Daytona. Some guy, not sure of this spelling, T. Guzneck made notes on it about building this Daytona from a Charger 500. Its to the Henneck division? And it talks about the Federal standards, the deleted items, and even states that (400), not 378 units will be built. Larry Roper knows more about this, but I actually held this document in my hands and was able to read most of it. It has the upper part of the vin for the Daytona and the letter attached to it.
Seeing all this pushes me closer to a new avenue of approach with this build, then again like you said, it would be either a hit or miss with the sale or build. If completed.......I'd probably keep it, then again spending over $12,000.00 to restore it plus what I have in the purchase and parts, I should get back what I have invested......MAYBE. I truly like the body style and the unique added features of the 72 B body Rally, then again it puts the clone build two more years. I just don't know I guess.

[Ghoste]

And of course you are the only one who can decide.  The 72 does sound like an interesting car.  This document you saw, that is kind of fascinating too.

[Gary42]

Yes it was. I should have gotten pics of it, but I'm sure Larry has some. I had never seen this document in any mag, post, or paper. I couldn't believe what I was reading, and the amazing part is....this guy was from Washington state. It is a Y2 Yellow Daytona? Bought in 71 by this guys dad, been in a garage most all its life. The dad passes away and leaves it to his son. The new owner is now the third owner. It was on eBay I believe and then it was gone. Come to find out, the new owner is from NY, just 35 miles from where my folks live. I'm sure you will be hearing and seeing it soon posted on here.

[Ghoste]

 

[Gary42]

Funny part is......the build sheet had a build sheet for some other four door car attached to it that was to be built. Didn't think that there were any other cars build on the Daytona line at the sametime. Some how it was attached to it with a piece of tape.....makes an interesting find. It also had what the Henneck division was to do in order to change the vin code to xx. Dang, wished I had taken pics of this, but like I said, it will probably be posted some where soon for everyone to see.

[Ghoste]

Daytonas started on the line as regular Charger RT's before being sent to Creative Industries for the conversion so yes, there were other cars on the line.

[Gary42]

Trying to post a few pics,,,,,grrrrr,,,,,,can't figure it out........HELP, lol

[Ghoste]

Some good pic posting tutorials in the suggestions forum.

[Gary42]

Lol, don't see the pics.......duh.....computer dummy here.....

[Ghoste]

Are you getting any kind of error message?  Once you know it, its a fairly routine process.

[Gary42]

Dang....how did you know that? Yup, it keeps telling me that the file has the same name as I posted? What the heck.....lol

[Gary42]

Some pics of what I'm dealing with......sorry if they are not the best......lol

[Gary42]

Step two?

[Gary42]

Step three?

[Gary42]

Step four?

[Gary42]

And step five.......lol, what a dummy I am....

[Gary42]

Just finishing up with my 1979 Dodge D100 pickup, it looks great for not being repainted or destroyed in the bed. No rust, new 318 and trans. This is why I'm trying to decide what direction I truly need to go in next....bummer,,,,,,this is tough!!!!!!!

[Cooter]

See, IMO, buying a car like that in that condition(Missing half the car, even though that makes it that much easier to replace quarter), people are all looking to hear "Wow! Good SCORE! Car looks GREAT!".....Instead, buying something that looks like that is gonna get 'em the ol "Damn, you paid how much for that???"



Sorry, but your gonna have to put in some time on that thing in order to get paid for it.

[Indygenerallee]

Only a diehard Mopar guy is even gonna consider buying it in that state and even then your gonna have to bend over to get it sold.  I would love to have it but I have enough on my plate.

[Ghoste]

Thats a lot of project there Gary.  Is the truck intended to be a toy or is it to be a driver?

[ralley72]

Surely I agree with Troy and I am seeing this reaction more and more each day. Dang thing is.......if it were still looking like it did when I purchased it (not good at all) then they would buy it. They are going to have to do what I have, or as I say "have not" had done, eventually, but they just cannot seem to get beyond the sheet metal issue. Even when I show them what I have and how much I have invested in all the parts. I love this car and I truly think it would be a great looking car sitting next to my new Challenger, but I guess since all this happened I feel like just giving up. I have a chance to buy a good 70 Charger shell to clone into a Daytona like I had planned a couple of years ago. I can purchase most everything I need from a friend to do this, but I feel that I might need to move forward and let go of this project before starting a new one. Value? I wish I could say. I am sincerely grateful for the advice, and it is well taken from those who have taken the time to post their opinion.
V/R
Gary

Gary,

    I don't post alot here, but a couple years ago I had to make a decision to sell 1 of my 2 cars. A 1972 Rallye Charger 400 auto and  a 73 Road Runner 400 4 speed, I couldn't restore both.  They sat in my barn for 5 or 6 years and I only moved them around, unable to start the work. It made me sad to go out to the barn and see them just sit there. It was time to sell. The good part of this story is the 72 Charger was sold and it was repaired and painted by the new owner. That made me happy and he got a car he wanted, so I believe it worked out for the better. After selling the 72,  a year or so later I was able to begin the restore of my 73 Road Runner and I used the money from the Rallye toward the Road Runner. It was difficult to see the Charger go, but now my Road Runner is getting closer to being on the road. Yes I know, a 73 Road Runner over a 72 Rallye Charger.

Mike

[Gary42]

See, IMO, buying a car like that in that condition(Missing half the car, even though that makes it that much easier to replace quarter), people are all looking to hear "Wow! Good SCORE! Car looks GREAT!".....Instead, buying something that looks like that is gonna get 'em the ol "Damn, you paid how much for that???"



Sorry, but your gonna have to put in some time on that thing in order to get paid for it.

Cooter
I agree, but if I were to put in the time....I'll surely keep it. I will post some pics of the car "before" I allowed someone to talk me into him "helping" me. If it were back to its former condition, no matter how much work had to be done, I know I would surely get back-plus what I have currently acquired in parts. Like I said before.....dang thing is that if someone were to buy it if untouched.......they would have to accomplish the same task I am faced with now. Thankfully I have one of the best MOPAR/body guys in the business I am friends with. He feels badly, which he should not, because he introucded me to the guy that did this and has agreed to do all the frame work, body work, and painting for around $12,000.00. Not bad at all, but that doesn't include finishing the interior, and having the motor rebuild.....another 4-5,000. Its just that I have a chance to pick up a 69 Charger body, solid, for just a small amount. I want to build a Daytona, and Larry has most all the parts to bring this project to life. I figure that if I spent around 15-20,000.00 for this build, I will not only get what I truly want, but also get a car that will sell for a heck of a lot more then my Rallye.....for now anyway.

[Gary42]

That's a lot of project there Gary.  Is the truck intended to be a toy or is it to be a driver?

Ghoste
Yes its a driver. It has 78,000 original miles on the body, no dents, body work, and the interior is near perfect condition. It had been a garage kept truck most all its life and owned by an elderly couple here in Greenwood. Another person bought it just for the 318 and left the rest for the past 7 years. I bought it for $1000.00 and invested $500.00 for a rebuilt 318. I will have just under $2500 in it when complete. All I have left is finding a ground problem........figures, lol......and to have the exhaust put on as I put headers on it and want the exhaust to come out in front of the tires. 0 to do on the interior, not even vacuum it......that's how great of a condition it is. I had a friend polish the little bit of fade on the paint, and it looks great. Its a Dixieland Ram......never seen one as to date, and it came from the dealer like that as I spoke to the original owners son and he confirmed he went with his dad to pick it up brand new, and it has not changed since. The original Ram sticker on the front fender even still looks good.........great buy there, lol...

[Gary42]

Surely I agree with Troy and I am seeing this reaction more and more each day. Dang thing is.......if it were still looking like it did when I purchased it (not good at all) then they would buy it. They are going to have to do what I have, or as I say "have not" had done, eventually, but they just cannot seem to get beyond the sheet metal issue. Even when I show them what I have and how much I have invested in all the parts. I love this car and I truly think it would be a great looking car sitting next to my new Challenger, but I guess since all this happened I feel like just giving up. I have a chance to buy a good 70 Charger shell to clone into a Daytona like I had planned a couple of years ago. I can purchase most everything I need from a friend to do this, but I feel that I might need to move forward and let go of this project before starting a new one. Value? I wish I could say. I am sincerely grateful for the advice, and it is well taken from those who have taken the time to post their opinion.
V/R
Gary

Gary,

    I don't post allot here, but a couple years ago I had to make a decision to sell 1 of my 2 cars. A 1972 Rallye Charger 400 auto and  a 73 Road Runner 400 4 speed, I couldn't restore both.  They sat in my barn for 5 or 6 years and I only moved them around, unable to start the work. It made me sad to go out to the barn and see them just sit there. It was time to sell. The good part of this story is the 72 Charger was sold and it was repaired and painted by the new owner. That made me happy and he got a car he wanted, so I believe it worked out for the better. After selling the 72,  a year or so later I was able to begin the restore of my 73 Road Runner and I used the money from the Rallye toward the Road Runner. It was difficult to see the Charger go, but now my Road Runner is getting closer to being on the road. Yes I know, a 73 Road Runner over a 72 Rallye Charger.

Mike

Mike
I know how you feel because I went thru this years ago with my '73 back in the day. I wished I still had it, but life went on and I needed a bigger vehicle for kids, lol........go figure.....I guess the problem is this.......which one do I want more......not which one will bring me more money. Buying the '69 body.....great idea.....bad to look at until I begin, but I think that's the direction I most go for now. I would like to have them both, but I will accept what God allows me to have because I don't want to be greedy. I never pray for an answer from Him, I just wait and He lets me know which direction I must go first.

[Gary42]

And yes I agree, ONLY A DIE HARD MOPAR guy would consider buying this car in its current condition, but a die hard MOPAR guy would know what he has when he bought it too. It might not be the 3rd gen time yet, but that time is quickly approaching as most all the good 68-70 Chargers have been scooped up, rebuilt, or just sitting waiting on the money to fall into their laps to restore it.......good luck.....tried that and for some reason my butt still hurts sitting here waiting, lol

[Ghoste]

I guess whatever you decide, you have to make sure the driver is taken care of first.  It sounds like you can afford to wait on it if you choose but this is always the tough part of any project isn't it?  Finding the urge to keep going when it gets to the stage where you are now.

[Gary42]

I guess whatever you decide, you have to make sure the driver is taken care of first.  It sounds like you can afford to wait on it if you choose but this is always the tough part of any project isn't it?  Finding the urge to keep going when it gets to the stage where you are now.

I think your right and buying the 69 just to have once the Rally is complete is something I "need" to do. I am sincerely grateful for all the advice and direction you have provided. I guess I needed to see it in black and white for me to finally "get it." Although the road ahead may be longer then I had originally anticaped, I will get there sooner or later.

[Gary42]

Here are some pics "before" the problem:

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[Gary42]

As you can see, it wasn't a bad looking car "before" I, forgive for saying it this way, (screwed myself) into thinking that this guy was going to do the "right" thing for me. I'm sure I could have had no problem selling this car for what I paid for it and what I acquired (a boat load) many new and OEM parts for. I truly think that a few can agree that this has been one heck of a ride and it is in worst shape then when it actually arrived here. Oh well, decision time I guess.....

[Gary42]

Funny: here's what it could actually look like when completed!!!!!!

[Gary42]

Bam

[Gary42]

Nice

[Gary42]

1972.....what a year I guess