destroyed wing car

[charger Downunder]

Rumor has it that the burnt bird is being fixed by an absolute craftsman.  I know the kind of cars this person has saved and if anyone can do it, he can.  It may live again.

Good to hear some one is taking it on.

[moparstuart]

Rumor has it that the burnt bird is being fixed by an absolute craftsman.  I know the kind of cars this person has saved and if anyone can do it, he can.  It may live again.

[Mike DC]

   
I don't see how any craftsman is gonna undo the metallurgy damage the fire has caused.  It might end up looking right again but that's not the same thing as being structurally solid. 

 

[DoubleDlover]

DDDUUUDDEE!!!!!!! dont worry. My dad can fix it. Hes a TV repair man.... LOL

[moparstuart]

DDDUUUDDEE!!!!!!! dont worry. My dad can fix it. Hes a TV repair man.... LOL

He's got an Awesome set of tools ,  Dudes on ludes should not drive

[Ghoste]

   
I don't see how any craftsman is gonna undo the metallurgy damage the fire has caused.  It might end up looking right again but that's not the same thing as being structurally solid. 

 

I agree with you Mike, there is no proper way to save it.

[DoubleDlover]

damm i forgot about that part of the line in the movie. I guess i need to go watch to again. LOL

[Ghoste]

You can almost smell the rebody coming can't you?

[Indygenerallee]

Good luck getting good paint adhesion on that (If it could ever be fixed but that does smell like a RE-BODY!!)

[FJ5WING]

Im in agreement which is pretty rare!

I just dont see whats going to be fixed? Theres nothing there to fix, maybe some of the floor pan?

[Ghoste]

I hate to be a cynic but if the title and tags survived the fire then I think we'll see the car again.  A Phoenix by any other name is still a rebodied Superbird.

[TUFCAT]

Rumor has it that the burnt bird is being fixed by an absolute craftsman.  I know the kind of cars this person has saved and if anyone can do it, he can.  It may live again.

I need that "absolute craftsman" to repaint my Coronet.

[bill440rt]

Not burnt 6 pack superbird just as rough from NJ
http://www.dodgecharger.com/forum/index.php/topic,48342.0.html

Dave, do you know what ever became of this E-town 'Bird bucket? 

[ChgrSteve67]

Is CornDog rebuilding it?

I bet he could do it.

[Benji]

I once asked a welder if the heat generated by welding would weaken either of the pieces being welded together.  He said heating it up isn't where metal loses its strength it is how it was cooled.  Plunging a freshly welded piece of metal into any coolant (like water) will crystalize the weld thereby weakening it. 

If this old bird was not sprayed with water while still it was still hot a good metal man should be able to save some of the panels.   Granted it will probably need some new sheet metal, but not any more than some of them that were rust buckets.

Ben

[Ghoste]

That could well be true but I have yet to see a car that was in a fire not have weakened metal.  It definitely does something to it.

[bill440rt]

I once asked a welder if the heat generated by welding would weaken either of the pieces being welded together.  He said heating it up isn't where metal loses its strength it is how it was cooled.  Plunging a freshly welded piece of metal into any coolant (like water) will crystalize the weld thereby weakening it. 

If this old bird was not sprayed with water while still it was still hot a good metal man should be able to save some of the panels.   Granted it will probably need some new sheet metal, but not any more than some of them that were rust buckets.

Ben

That could well be true but I have yet to see a car that was in a fire not have weakened metal.  It definitely does something to it.

Absolutely!
Heat definitely affects the molecular structure of metal. You often see metal cracking on burnt cars, that is because the metal has become brittle due to the intense heat.
Vehicle manufacturers these days have strict repair procedures on the use of heat in repairs on modern vehicles (most nearly forbid the use of heat). Some manufacturers do not condone the use of used welded panel sections, either. Think about replacing a rocker panel or similar part that is constructed of high strength steel. It's already been welded once, now it's being cut apart and re-welded AGAIN at the attach points. Those points are now considered weaker due to more heat being applied. I've seen repaired cars falling apart at the spotwelds from poor previous repairs from re-welding high strength steels. 

Bottom line is, IMHO that 'Bird is toast. 
Even though it was once strong mild steel, it has now been altered due to the exposure to intense heat.

[Benji]

The metal used in today's cars is tempered and heating tempered steel will affect its structural integrity and its strength.  Chrysler used the best steel available at the time but it wasn't tempered steel like used today.  I was a body man for three different garages from 1968 to about 1978 and we welded, heated, shrunk and beat sheet metal all the time without any problems.  But you must know how to heat it, how far out it can be heated and how much it can be heated.  A good metal man can do wonders with a dolly, a hammer, and a torch and for those panels that can't be straightened there is always new sheet metal.

Benji

[Ghoste]

I think you'll find that most if not all commercial trucks (at least the semi tractor Class 8 types) have a large sticker somewhere on the frame indicating "Do Not Cut or Weld to Frame".

Heating sheet metal to pop out dents is absolutely nothing like being in a fire the way that 'bird was.  I'm not a bodyman or a metallurgist but there is no way I would want that sheet metal after that

[Indygenerallee]

I think we all know the differences between the old and new sheetmetal but I don't car how good of a bodyman you are that Superbird would be a mammoth waste of money, time and resources, it's just not happening somebody will rebody that thing before it ever gets fixed (if it were ever possible)

[bill440rt]

I think we all know the differences between the old and new sheetmetal but I don't car how good of a bodyman you are that Superbird would be a mammoth waste of money, time and resources, it's just not happening somebody will rebody that thing before it ever gets fixed (if it were ever possible)

The metal on that 'Bird is wasted beyond it's structural integrity. The car is toast, aside from cutting the numbers from it even if THEY are intact.

[GOTWING]

I would never want to own it after it's "restoration"

[Aero426]

RM23V0A171586 - It's Baaaaaaaaack.  

https://www.silverauctionsaz.com/article/1952/1970-Plymouth-Superbird

[Aero426]

Jack VIN tag up and drive a new car underneath?

[birdsandbees]

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