TUFCAT's Original Paint '67 Coronet Rear-Ended

[TeeWJay426]

OUCH...  just saw this Tom. That sucks! Hopefully you can line up the right body shop to bring it back as good as it was. Glad it wasn't worse!

[mauve66]

 

[hemi-hampton]

Just seen this post, did not know it was here. I talked to Tom about some work before the Accident & After. I'd love to fix it but I'm no longer working in a Body shop or currently doing Mopar Resto's due to bad economy in Detroit. SO, I was working for a Company that only did Chrysler Auto Show cars including concepts & prototypes. Got slow in Summer & temporarly got laid off. During this time got a job Doing the same thing, Painting show cars & Prototype & Concepts & SEMA cars but for the other team GM. Got to sit in Transformers Bumble Bee Camaro the other day, Cool car. The past 2 companies I worked for rarely work on these type of cars for Customers they don't know. They do got me working on a 67 Camaro Convertible RS now though.  In a NUTSHELL, I have no place or time to work on it. I used to do Resto's out of my Garage but I have a 2 1/2 car Garage full with 2 Chargers. Garage is Trashed & have not painted out of it in Years. Would take all week to clean, Plus pay to store my 2 cars & then invest in some new lines, filters ect. In a NUTSHELL I'm not prepared. Wish I could help Tom out. BUT, I think he's found a Resto Shop that might have the Capabilities to do a descent job. LEON.

[Ghoste]

Then we need an update from Tufcat.

[Back N Black]

Just seen this post, every car guys nightmare.That really sux's.

[TUFCAT]

I'm in a battle with Hagerty. They want to panel paint the quarter panel. 

[moparstuart]

I'm in a battle with Hagerty. They want to panel paint the quarter panel. 

bummer , I had heard nothing but good stuff about hagerty 

[Dino]

I'm sure they are looking at it from a different perspective.  I've done many many spot repairs but the truth is that eventually the thinner clear coat that was feathered and polished will break down rather fast and they don't want you to file a second claim but rather have it done once and good.

Here's the thing though.  They can spot paint the color portion and then clear coat the entire quarter.  That way it will last forever and it'll always look good and show the original paint.

[bakerhillpins]

I'm in a battle with Hagerty. They want to panel paint the quarter panel. 

Hang in there TUFFY..   

[twodko]

Man, I'm sure sorry this is turning into more of a charlie foxtrot then it already is Tuffy. Might be shooting the whole quarter would be best in the long run.  

Couple months back I had to have that "dammit" on my quarter panel repaired too. Not original paint but it looks flawless. At the time I was insured by Hargerty as well and they took care of it, no problem. BUT they raised my new premium by $65 for the privilege.......first claim. I switched to Heacock Insurance after that, I'd been a Hagerty customer for several years too.  

[Aero426]

Here's the thing though.  They can spot paint the color portion and then clear coat the entire quarter.  That way it will last forever and it'll always look good and show the original paint.

The days of spotting in with lacquer are long past.   The way Dino describes it is the industry standard.   They are only going to put color on the small area of damage, and then clear over that.   You might be able to find someone willing to do it the old way, but it isn't going to be easy.   In addition that that since lacquer tints are not readily available, the painter can not color adjust on the fly.    The right painter will be able to make a good repair with base/clear and come up with a gloss that matches the old paint.   

[hemi-hampton]

With all the damage at very rear of 1/4 all they'd have to do is spot paint (basecoat) rear of 1/4 & then clear whole 1/4. LEON.

[TUFCAT]

I'm in a battle with Hagerty. They want to panel paint the quarter panel. 

Hang in there TUFFY..   

I'm hanging on....not saying anything until my restoration company contacts Hagerty with a quote. I'll only say the appraiser must have missed my car's original paint with 45 years of unmatchable patina. 

[Aero426]

I'm hanging on....not saying anything until my restoration company contacts Hagerty with a quote. I'll only say the appraiser must have missed my car's original paint with 45 years of unmatchable patina. 

What is the technique that your repairer wants to use to provide a pre-accident condition repair?   

[TUFCAT]

What is the technique that your repairer wants to use to provide a pre-accident condition repair?    

Modern basecoat/clearcoat but unfortunately I don't have the luxury of having a basecoat/clearcoat car.  There's thin spots, edge wear from waxing, light petina, and touch-ups you'd expect from a car this old.

It's become a double edged sword.  If it wasn't waxed and taken care of it wouldn't look this nice after 45 years.

On other hand, if it wasn't waxed and taken care of in the last 45 years it wouldn't be so difficult to repair.

[Patronus]

 
sux

[Ghoste]

Don't cave bddy, stick to your guns.

[hemi-hampton]

Any Updates???

[TUFCAT]

No updates. The car sits until Hagerty can agree with the numerous body shops in the area who say the entire car needs to be repainted. The initial quote from the appraiser barely covered parts. So we'll see. I'll be moving forward and I'll keep you guys posted once I get a final quote.  Based on Hagerty's reputation I hope its good.  

[Aero426]

Understand that the initial insurance estimate was low.    The second part about shops wanting to repaint the whole car doesn't sound realistic.     I would think that insurance would argue that you are receiving betterment by refinishing the other undamaged 3/4 of the car.    Not only that, I would be sick about losing the remainder of the original paint.   I'm sure you are beyond upset by the whole deal and feel for you there.

I realize I am not there and pics don't show all the patina of your car - but there are any number of paint artists around the country who can match the color,  metallic and level of gloss in a blend repair.   Challenging repair?   Definitely.  Impossible?  No.

[1970Moparmann]

Sorry to hear this.  Keep us updated.

[TUFCAT]

Understand that the initial insurance estimate was low.   The second part about shops wanting to repaint the whole car doesn't sound realistic.     I would think that insurance would argue that you are receiving betterment by refinishing the other undamaged 3/4 of the car.   Not only that, I would be sick about losing the remainder of the original paint.   I'm sure you are beyond upset by the whole deal and feel for you there.

I realize I am not there and pics don't show all the patina of your car - but there are any number of paint artists around the country who can match the color, metallic and level of gloss in a blend repair.   Challenging repair?   Definitely. Impossible? No.

I'm no longer sick about losing its original paint. Numerous "high end"  restoration shops already told me the survivor cherry has been popped and they won't attempt to duplicate the original look or patina based on what Hagerty will pay them - because they know I won't be happy with it.

My "sickness" ended about a month ago. Right now my main concern is making the car whole again. If this means going from an original paint survivor car to a repainted car, then I'm okay with it.

[FLG]

Tuffy,

How much can they massage that back without damaging it further?

If they can get it close enough why not just do that and leave it alone? Kinda seems dumb to repaint a car because of damage to the quarter and loose all its originality. Get it as good as you can without messing it up further, get a new bumper and w.e trim you might need and leave it be 

Yes the lines might not be perfect, and your gonna see it....but why sacrifice a survivor title because of a little misalignment and some dents? All cars have a story, a lot is lost between when it was purchased and when you got it...this is one of the few that remain time capsules of the era they came from, and im sure your dam proud of yourself when your able to tell someone the paint is original and now so are the dents. Why isnt the car perfect? Because someone used it for the past 40+ years. I rather look at a car that survived the past 40 years than one that was restored. Not saying restos are to be looked down on (heck mines in pieces) but theres a completely different feeling you get standing besides a car that was restored and one that has lived its life and made it with basically some bumps and bruises. Just my .02

[1970chargerrt]

Tuffy,

How much can they massage that back without damaging it further?

If they can get it close enough why not just do that and leave it alone? Kinda seems dumb to repaint a car because of damage to the quarter and loose all its originality. Get it as good as you can without messing it up further, get a new bumper and w.e trim you might need and leave it be 

I agree.  I'm not sure I would even put a new bumper on it.  It's part of the life story of a survivor car.  It's more than a parking lot ding but not like it makes the car look like crap.  I didn't think it is worth losing the true survivor status.  If you leave it alone, years from now when people ask about it you can tell the story.  I believe you get the insurance money regardless of wether you have the work done (I've never really had a claim on any insurance).

[1970Moparmann]

Over the years, I've seen many cars that the owner has said "original paint except this fender". 

I haven't done any research, but is there anywhere that legally you can paint lacquer?  Or, can't a good painter get it close with a single stage paint?

That car is so original, it sucks that there aren't any options to keep the originality of the car.