Reality check:Unanswered questions about the Colorado massacre

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Some good points...............


http://www.fox19.com/story/19104797/reality-check-unanswered-questions-about-colorado-theater-massacre

[TheGhost]

I'm sure there are.  However, they aren't listed at that link.

[ACUDANUT]

Who needs Questions. I just want justice.  Give him a slow painful death.

[Mike DC]

 
The only thing even slightly unusual about the incident is that he picked a midnight showing of a superhero flick to shoot up.  Most outsiders would be a little bit less likely to wanna harm that crowd. 

     

[HPP]

Some good points...............

Not really. All those question have been asked, answered, and are part of the investigation now. Sorry, no big conspiricy to it.

I'm sure there are.  However, they aren't listed at that link.

Agreed. 

Since I'm some what more local to it than that reporter, maybe I'm hearing more detail about it than he cared to go look into. But then again, there is no sensationalism is saying the investigation is under way and running its course.

[bull]

One thing he says that I agree with is the idiocy of the national media's politicization of the shooting. I wonder how many minutes, under the guise of "news reporting," it took them to launch another foolish attack on our 2nd Amendment rights? Of course their cronies in DC are more than happy to pick up the ball and try running with it, but they'll fumble it again soon enough.

[Budnicks]

One thing he says that I agree with is the idiocy of the national media's politicization of the shooting. I wonder how many minutes, under the guise of "news reporting," it took them to launch another foolish attack on our 2nd Amendment rights? Of course their cronies in DC are more than happy to pick up the ball and try running with it, but they'll fumble it again soon enough.

  just a knee jerk reaction again, to a despicable persons actions & horrible isolated incident, the liberal left/anti-gun crowd is trying to capitalize on yet again.... 

[ChgrSteve67]

I think they should do they to him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK8dsAeMmPk

[Budnicks]

I know I will probably catch flack for this by the liberals but, they know this guy did it, he sat in his car & waited for them to arrest him, he has confessed & told the police he booby trap his apartment also, why is this guy even on trial ??, why isn't this guy in front of a firing squad ?? that's all rhetorical questions, I already know the answers to...

[Tilar]

I know I will probably catch flack for this by the liberals but, they know this guy did it, he sat in his car & waited for them to arrest him, he has confessed & told the police he booby trap his apartment also, why is this guy even on trial ??, why isn't this guy in front of a firing squad ?? that's all rhetorical questions, I already know the answers to...

[Mike DC]

 
 
The term for that is a "lynch mob". 

[ac_knight]

I will have to say that Christian Bale is a stand up guy.  He took time to visit the wounded in the hospital.  I have heard he was hard to get along with, but he earned some respect by showing he cares.

[elacruze]

I know I will probably catch flack for this by the liberals but, they know this guy did it, he sat in his car & waited for them to arrest him, he has confessed & told the police he booby trap his apartment also, why is this guy even on trial ??, why isn't this guy in front of a firing squad ?? that's all rhetorical questions, I already know the answers to...

...because nobody in that theater was allowed to exercise their 2nd amendment right to bear arms. Had I been in that theater, he'd be a dead duck.

[Patronus]

I know I will probably catch flack for this by the liberals but, they know this guy did it, he sat in his car & waited for them to arrest him, he has confessed & told the police he booby trap his apartment also, why is this guy even on trial ??, why isn't this guy in front of a firing squad ?? that's all rhetorical questions, I already know the answers to...

...because nobody in that theater was allowed to exercise their 2nd amendment right to bear arms. Had I been in that theater, he'd be a dead duck.

Shits flyin, I dont believe for a second you could've got a shot off.. One things for sure.. in a second I'd be on him. And in that second Im not too sure he'd make it out.
edit: all pissin' aside I have a question, if I may? I just don't understand who goes into a movie and starts up? The more I think about it the less I understand. A bank? Sure. The DMV? Ok. Congress, big oil, etc. I can see. But to just walk in a setting like that.. I just don't know that person. Born and raised free. So free they know no different... I just don't understand.

[derailed]

I know I will probably catch flack for this by the liberals but, they know this guy did it, he sat in his car & waited for them to arrest him, he has confessed & told the police he booby trap his apartment also, why is this guy even on trial ??, why isn't this guy in front of a firing squad ?? that's all rhetorical questions, I already know the answers to...

You should be catching just as much flack from any God fearing right wing christian that practices what they preach. I know, rarely done. What do the ten commandments and your bible say about that?

[ACUDANUT]

You are derailed if you have to ask.

[ITSA426]

I don't think anymore should be said about this.  The shooter's name should never be mentioned.  He should get no more news coverage, or opinion pieces, or any other publicity.  If his name is never mentioned publicly it would take some of the thrill and notoriety from him.

People should not speculate about what they would have done.  We don't need talk of amateur firefights in a dark theater filled with civilians.  Life is not a video game.

There need not be anymore talk about second amendment rights from people willing to give up the first amendment or any other constitutional protections.  

I think it's a time for common sense and cooler heads.

[TheGhost]

Hear hear.

[Vainglory, Esq.]

I don't think anymore should be said about this.  The shooter's name should never be mentioned.  He should get no more news coverage, or opinion pieces, or any other publicity.  If his name is never mentioned publicly it would take some of the thrill and notoriety from him.

People should not speculate about what they would have done.  We don't need talk of amateur firefights in a dark theater filled with civilians.  Life is not a video game.

There need not be anymore talk about second amendment rights from people willing to give up the first amendment or any other constitutional protections.  

I think it's a time for common sense and cooler heads.

You win the internet.

[Tilar]

I know I will probably catch flack for this by the liberals but, they know this guy did it, he sat in his car & waited for them to arrest him, he has confessed & told the police he booby trap his apartment also, why is this guy even on trial ??, why isn't this guy in front of a firing squad ?? that's all rhetorical questions, I already know the answers to...

You should be catching just as much flack from any God fearing right wing christian that practices what they preach. I know, rarely done. What do the ten commandments and your bible say about that?

The bible also says to obey the laws of the land, And here's another a little "FYI", Turning the other cheek doesn't mean you're supposed to sit by and let some asshole shoot you dead.

[Indygenerallee]

The bible also says to obey the laws of the land, And here's another a little "FYI", Turning the other cheek doesn't mean you're supposed to sit by and let some asshole shoot you dead

Exactly!  "Tooth for a tooth and a eye for a eye" This coward needs to hang... No need to waste good ammo on him!!!

[Cooter]

I blame the media. They are so focused on what sells today that they will sensationalize this type of sh*t until your 15 min. of fame isn't on YouTube anymoree, it's all over the world in minutes. How many times to you hear bout GOOD things people are doing round the world? How many times does that story go "Viral"?


Simple, We as a society, are fasicnated by these types and what makes them do this. Therefore, the media will continue to cover it, these types will continue to be famous by doing this type of sh*t.

[RECHRGD]

I know I will probably catch flack for this by the liberals but, they know this guy did it, he sat in his car & waited for them to arrest him, he has confessed & told the police he booby trap his apartment also, why is this guy even on trial ??, why isn't this guy in front of a firing squad ?? that's all rhetorical questions, I already know the answers to...

Exactly!!!!  How many millions of taxpayer dollars will be spent putting him through the legal process just to find out how many times Mommy locked him in the closet as a child???

[Steve P.]

Time to turn it down in here..

Everyone here knows that we do NOT talk POLITICS or RELIGION here....

[Chad L. Magee]

Here are the facts that I have heard about the case so far:

The shooter was a PhD canidate in Neuroscience at DU.  He had perfect grades before entering that school, but started faultering during the year.  He failed an oral exam, which can be critical in getting a PhD.  (I had to take and passed the dreaded oral exam, basically a pre-defense, so I can understand the level of stress that it can take on someone's mind.  You have to accept the judgement of professors on your answers to their questions, reguardless of your past merits in school.  We did have one student that became quite vendictive in his actions after he failed, as he had to return back to his homeland without a degree.)   Because the shooter was a perfectionist before this, he had a hard time accepting failure and something snapped inside his head leading to his plans that he did do.  Is this an acceptible answer for what he did?  No, but it does explain how his mind was operating shortly before he started down his road to nowhere....

This was a planned attack.  He had equipment equal to law enforcement, with the exception of one thing and that helped him get picked out by the law.  He had to have some training in this process...

He sent a notebook describing his plans to a school phsycologyst.  It was not found until after the shooting.  Could someone have acted if it was found earlier?  Maybe, but then you just do not know what people are really thinking at any time, even when they show you something....

As for the choice of location, he was infatuated with Batman and specifically the Joker image, which he likely saw himself as that character.  He also likely chose this place as it would have a large amount of unarmed people present, dark, few exits to escape and being playing the movie that he believed he was part of....  

He also booby-trapped his apartment as a means of creating more of a Joker image for himself.  At the time of the shooting, he had a timed blaring of techno music coming from his apartment in the hope that law enforcement would barge in and set off the explosives, killing even more people in the frey.  His neighbors were very lucky that his plan did not go as he had intended.  The information on how to build the explosives is easy to find on the internet and so are the chemicals.  To me, this is a bit more scary that someone shooting a gun....  

[TK73]

I know I will probably catch flack for this by the liberals but, they know this guy did it, he sat in his car & waited for them to arrest him, he has confessed & told the police he booby trap his apartment also, why is this guy even on trial ??, why isn't this guy in front of a firing squad ?? that's all rhetorical questions, I already know the answers to...

Everybody is afforded a trial, equal protection under the 14th (?)

THEN:

.223 isn't very expensive... Army already has the guns...

[TK73]

I know I will probably catch flack for this by the liberals but, they know this guy did it, he sat in his car & waited for them to arrest him, he has confessed & told the police he booby trap his apartment also, why is this guy even on trial ??, why isn't this guy in front of a firing squad ?? that's all rhetorical questions, I already know the answers to...

...because nobody in that theater was allowed to exercise their 2nd amendment right to bear arms. Had I been in that theater, he'd be a dead duck.

Any more info on a policy (or state law) that prevented anybody from carrying in a Colorado theater?
If no policy or law then everybody in that theater CHOSE not to carry.

2nd doesn't guarantee you can carry wherever you want...

[TK73]

Quick internet search:

http://www.colorado.gov/cs/Satellite/StatePatrol-Main/CBON/1251594549010

    Colorado allows a person to carry a firearm in a vehicle, loaded or unloaded, if its use is for lawful protection of such person or another's person or property. [C.R.S. 18-12-105(2)] Colorado law also allows a person to possess a handgun in a dwelling, place of business, or automobile. However, you cannot carry the weapon concealed on or about your person while transporting it into your home, business, hotel room, etc. Local jurisdictions may not enact laws that restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon. [C.R.S. 18-12-105.6] The Act permits the nationwide carrying of concealed handguns by qualified current and retired law enforcement officers and amends the Gun Control Act of 1968 (Pub. L. 90-618, 82 Stat. 1213) to exempt qualified current and retired law enforcement officers from state and local laws prohibiting the carry of concealed firearms.

     

[TK73]

WA is very cool on carry laws.

Open carry and concealed permits

http://washingtongunrights.com/
http://www.opencarry.org/wa.html

We also have the highest per capita concealed licenses of any state; 1 in 14

[bull]

Any more info on a policy (or state law) that prevented anybody from carrying in a Colorado theater?
If no policy or law then everybody in that theater CHOSE not to carry.

2nd doesn't guarantee you can carry wherever you want...

From what I've heard and read, Cinemark/AMC has had an anti-gun policy in place for years. Been trying to find the company's written policy on the topic but can't seem to. However, in the wake of the Aurora incident they've banned fake guns and face-concealing masks too.

[djcarguy]

I don't think anymore should be said about this.  The shooter's name should never be mentioned.  He should get no more news coverage, or opinion pieces, or any other publicity.  If his name is never mentioned publicly it would take some of the thrill and notoriety from him.

People should not speculate about what they would have done.  We don't need talk of amateur firefights in a dark theater filled with civilians.  Life is not a video game.

There need not be anymore talk about second amendment rights from people willing to give up the first amendment or any other constitutional protections.  

I think it's a time for common sense and cooler heads.

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HAVE a special prison ,at the neuclear test site in nevada under ground with bread water and glow bugs... and do a test every year ,boom,,to clean the place out and restock??

[chargerboy69]

I know I will probably catch flack for this by the liberals but, they know this guy did it, he sat in his car & waited for them to arrest him, he has confessed & told the police he booby trap his apartment also, why is this guy even on trial ??, why isn't this guy in front of a firing squad ?? that's all rhetorical questions, I already know the answers to...

Everybody is afforded a trial, equal protection under the 14th (?)

THEN:

.223 isn't very expensive... Army already has the guns...

I knew if I waited long enough I would find something we could agree upon besides cars. 

And I will donate the bullet.

To be honest, I prefer a hanging in the town square but that is just me I guess.

[HPP]

Here are the facts that I have heard about the case so far:

The shooter was a PhD canidate in Neuroscience at DU.  He had perfect grades before entering that school, but started faultering during the year.  He failed an oral exam, which can be critical in getting a PhD.  

Small nit but it was CU, not DU. The school is not commenting on his academic status, the results from his oral exam, or their finacancial aid program which is used by PhD candidates. They have said he was in a formal withdrawl process and they are cooperating with the investigation. I too have heard reports of him struggling academically, but do not know the source.

He sent a notebook describing his plans to a school phsycologyst.  It was not found until after the shooting.  Could someone have acted if it was found earlier?  

Probably not since it arrived at the school mail room on the Friday morning after the shooting. The school has said all mail comes in to a central receiving area where it is then sorted by departments and then goes on a delivery schedule. It may not have reached the addressed professor until  sometime this week or maybe even next week if the police did not go looking for it.

[Budnicks]

I know I will probably catch flack for this by the liberals but, they know this guy did it, he sat in his car & waited for them to arrest him, he has confessed & told the police he booby trap his apartment also, why is this guy even on trial ??, why isn't this guy in front of a firing squad ?? that's all rhetorical questions, I already know the answers to...

Like I said, "I already know answer to", I'm well aware of the dirt bags rights to a trial, it was a rhetorical question... Man it did stimulate an argument though...   Public hanging or his head on a chopping block or in a gyateen {spelling French ??} for all the public to see, maybe if that stuff was publicly shown, it may deter some of these wackos, but I doubt it...

[Steve P.]

I do not believe our laws are tough enough. In many cases we don't even come close to an eye for an eye.. In this case I believe they should use his own weapons on him, but do it slowly. Starting with toes... With all the ammo he bought I am sure there is some left....

[TK73]

I knew if I waited long enough I would find something we could agree upon besides cars. 

Most likely we have similar opinions on IL-legal immigration too... no BS "undocumented" crap.

[Mike DC]

                      
I don't see why these incidents cause so much public debate in the first place.  

People sometimes do this stuff.  They kill complete strangers for no reason.  It's been going on for thousands of years.  We live in a pretty nonviolent time & place compared to the rest of human history, and it still happens at least once every couple years.  It's a sad story but it's no reason to make big changes to our society or laws.  


All we need to do is what we're already going to do - convict the asshole fair and square, lock him up, and forget about him.  (Or just fry him the day after the trial, I don't care.)  Nothing else is required.  The best way to honor the victims and dishonor the asshole is not to give the incident any big cultural impact.
 

[bull]

Maybe one thing we can do is figure out why some young males feel the need to massacre people when things don't go their way.

[Steve P.]

I think it's due to NOT getting "ANY"....

[myk]

 


All we need to do is what we're already going to do - convict the asshole fair and square, lock him up, and forget about him.  (Or just fry him the day after the trial, I don't care.)  Nothing else is required.  The best way to honor the victims and dishonor the asshole is not to give the incident any big cultural impact.
 

Roger that.  This self-proclaimed "Joker" just wants attention-the best we can do is just convict him and forget about/kill him...

[TK73]

I think it's due to NOT getting "ANY"....

Uh oh, I'm in trouble...

Any Chinese "massage parlors" around here?

[myk]

I think it's due to NOT getting "ANY"....

Uh oh, I'm in trouble...

Any Chinese "massage parlors" around here?

Heh.  Reminds me of Clint Eastwood's "In the Line of Fire" when his character tells the presidential assassin "(Booth), sounds like you just need to get laid."

[c00nhunterjoe]

He'll plead insanity and get a free lawyer paid for by our tax dollars.

The jury members will have to take off work and get paid 16 dollars per day as compensation and probably have to pay 10 bucks a day to park at the court"s special lot.

He'll be found guilty and sentnenced to life in prison, it will have to be max security with confinement based on the crime and other inmates wanting to kill him. The avg cost of this sentence is 60,000 dollars per year, per inmate. He will get 3 hot meals a day, a bed, private bathroom and shower, cable tv, access to multiple activities....... all on our dime.

Who is the real loser in this case?

[Tilar]

I think it's due to NOT getting "ANY"....

You're right, but it's a matter of not getting "any" of the right thing.

[myk]

He'll plead insanity and get a free lawyer paid for by our tax dollars.

The jury members will have to take off work and get paid 16 dollars per day as compensation and probably have to pay 10 bucks a day to park at the court"s special lot.

He'll be found guilty and sentnenced to life in prison, it will have to be max security with confinement based on the crime and other inmates wanting to kill him. The avg cost of this sentence is 60,000 dollars per year, per inmate. He will get 3 hot meals a day, a bed, private bathroom and shower, cable tv, access to multiple activities....... all on our dime.

Who is the real loser in this case?

You're right on all accounts but I am going to say that no one will be the winner here.  Why?  Well the easiest part of that is we the tax payers, the murdered and all of their grieving friends and family, for obvious reasons.  However, I'll say that this POS doesn't win either because he won't end up with the eternal notoriety and fame that he desperately wants.  Like the Joker character that he thinks he is, this kid desperately wanted to make a deep, profound impact on the world that would change us forever.  Ultimately, he'll be forgotten and cast away to rot in jail like all of the other countless murderers and criminals that went in before him.  He wanted to be special, to be seen beyond his ordinary life and be remembered for something great, but in the end he's just another, run-of-the-mill, murdering piece of s**t.

YOU LOSE KID, HAVE A GOOD LIFE...

[Cooter]

Maybe one thing we can do is figure out why some young males feel the need to massacre people when things don't go their way.

For the same reason people act so surprized when someone attempts to embarrass someone on an online forum in public, face to face, etc. and they get the third degree and someone shows up on their doorstep knocking on the door. You f*ck around some people and it's like a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. You just happened to be the person that set it off. Some folks are walking around with some serious problems right as we are reading this, yet, you always have one or two that can't understand why they got shot or whatever when they picked the wrong muthaf*cka to f*ck with. The bar has been raised to include, but limited to, killin' people when they feel they have been wronged. Of course, the attention it garners helps things along as well. Some people are secure in the fact that if confronted, they can and will resolve the situtation, others will f*ckin' kill your ass.


A mind is a terrible thing to screw with, especially, if it has some wiring problems from the git-go.

[bull]

Maybe one thing we can do is figure out why some young males feel the need to massacre people when things don't go their way.

For the same reason people act so surprized when someone attempts to embarrass someone on an online forum in public, face to face, etc. and they get the third degree and someone shows up on their doorstep knocking on the door. You f*ck around some people and it's like a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. You just happened to be the person that set it off. Some folks are walking around with some serious problems right as we are reading this, yet, you always have one or two that can't understand why they got shot or whatever when they picked the wrong muthaf*cka to f*ck with. The bar has been raised to include, but limited to, killin' people when they feel they have been wronged. Of course, the attention it garners helps things along as well. Some people are secure in the fact that if confronted, they can and will resolve the situtation, others will f*ckin' kill your ass.


A mind is a terrible thing to screw with, especially, if it has some wiring problems from the git-go.

Ok, but the question is why. Why can most people handle adversity while a few others freak out and go postal?

[Tilar]

Maybe one thing we can do is figure out why some young males feel the need to massacre people when things don't go their way.

For the same reason people act so surprized when someone attempts to embarrass someone on an online forum in public, face to face, etc. and they get the third degree and someone shows up on their doorstep knocking on the door. You f*ck around some people and it's like a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. You just happened to be the person that set it off. Some folks are walking around with some serious problems right as we are reading this, yet, you always have one or two that can't understand why they got shot or whatever when they picked the wrong muthaf*cka to f*ck with. The bar has been raised to include, but limited to, killin' people when they feel they have been wronged. Of course, the attention it garners helps things along as well. Some people are secure in the fact that if confronted, they can and will resolve the situtation, others will f*ckin' kill your ass.


A mind is a terrible thing to screw with, especially, if it has some wiring problems from the git-go.

Ok, but the question is why. Why can most people handle adversity while a few others freak out and go postal?

That one is easy... They've never been taught that they WILL fail sometime. Everybody is so fu#*ing worried about their kid not getting "On the team" for baseball or football or knitting or (insert any other trivial subject here) that they do exactly what they did with minorities, They have "affirmative action" style requirements for everyone, including kids. Drop the intelligence level for tests so everybody and their dumbass brother can get involved. Now, when something happens along the lines where they really do FAIL, they have no idea how to handle it.

Harsh? Maybe... Realistic? Yeah.

[Brock Lee]

The conspiracy theory will only get legs if the conservatives take the ball and run with it. It rests comfortably on the idea this attack was staged to push the liberals anti-gun campaign.

The armchair commandos crack me up. The guy was armored all over but a small couple inch area of his face. The chances you would hit that area, in a dark room, gas clouds and chaos all around is slim. You would have been more likely to hit a person freaking out trying to run by. You would have just got his attention and he would have focused his automatic fire at you and everyone in the way.

This is real life. Not some video game or leisurely trip to the range. That kind of thinking is why more people should not be armed. They are ill equipped to judge a situation and are likely to create more problems than if they just took cover.

[Steve P.]

    But I still say he needed something to take his mind off his frustrations... Screw guns. Make prostitution legal again!!!! 

[Tilar]

Screw guns. Make prostitution legal again!!!! 

     

[c00nhunterjoe]

Society is partially to blame. We are not allowed t teach our kids that in real life you don't always win. Sometimes you lose.   My sons soccor team is not allowed to keep score, both teams win.  Same thing with basketball. Everyone is awinner and all the teams get the same size trophy at the end of the season.  We teach our kids that the world is perfect and everyone is a winner and failure is a bad word that shall not be spoken. Then they graduate high school and get dumped into the real world and get depressed, do drugs, and go postal.

[stripedelete]

Society is partially to blame. We are not allowed t teach our kids that in real life you don't always win. Sometimes you lose.   My sons soccor team is not allowed to keep score, both teams win.  Same thing with basketball. Everyone is awinner and all the teams get the same size trophy at the end of the season.  We teach our kids that the world is perfect and everyone is a winner and failure is a bad word that shall not be spoken. Then they graduate high school and get dumped into the real world and get depressed, do drugs, and go postal.

I agree, kids are not developing the ability to cope and real life is terrifying them.  However, this sentence should read, "We are not teaching our kids that in real life you don't always win".  Parents absolutely have the most control over this, but, they are a big part of the problem.

I think the kids with "bad wiring" who would have been on the margins even if raised with loss, rejection, and failure are the ones that are doing the shooting.  An example would be the Virginia Tech shooter.  Which goes to your point, if they grew up before the 90's they would probably enough received enough reinforcement from parents, peers, and societal norms, that most could keep the crazy in the bottle.

I don't think the Colorado shooter was one of those kids.  I think his brain broke.  Just like a heart attack or kidney failure the brain is an organ that can fail.  My guess is he will be diagnosed with Schizophrenia, which comes on in males in the mid 20's.  The stress from school may have brought it on full blown relatively quick.  I put him in the same category with the Texas University bell tower sniper who had a tumor pressing on the part of the brain that controls violence.  Again, IMO a failed organ.

It doesn't sound like he was a Sociopath either .  That would be Dylan Klebold, Jeffrey Dahmer, and most corporate CEO's.  IMO, Sociopaths are the scariest bunch.  I believe there are far more out there than anyone thinks.  They are just not all killing and or eating people.

[Mike DC]

                 
Those Columbine kids probably did their share of failing, and they still shot up a school.  One of them might have been a sociopath but I don't think the sidekick was.  Lots of other inexplicable violent sprees like this are done by people who failed plenty.



I used to be interested in why some people do this stuff, but I not longer am.  After some reading I came to the conclusion that it just happens.  Some people do it.  

There are 300 million people in the USA.  That's a lot of opportunities to produce some loose screws.  If you roll the dice enough times then eventually you're gonna get just the right combination of factors to produce one of these killers.  

Yeah, it's more common here than in other countries.  You can probably attribute that to our culture's particular traits, which can be aggravating factors for people on the borderline of going psycho.  But so what?  No culture is perfect just like no individual is.  And even good traits have downsides.  The USA does not lose a lot of people to serial killers in the big picture.  

[ACUDANUT]

Call it what you will. These assholes who do this, DO NOT FEAR GOD. May they burn in Hell

[bull]

The conspiracy theory will only get legs if the conservatives take the ball and run with it. It rests comfortably on the idea this attack was staged to push the liberals anti-gun campaign.

The armchair commandos crack me up. The guy was armored all over but a small couple inch area of his face. The chances you would hit that area, in a dark room, gas clouds and chaos all around is slim. You would have been more likely to hit a person freaking out trying to run by. You would have just got his attention and he would have focused his automatic fire at you and everyone in the way.

This is real life. Not some video game or leisurely trip to the range. That kind of thinking is why more people should not be armed. They are ill equipped to judge a situation and are likely to create more problems than if they just took cover.

Ha ha! You're funny. Put on a bullet proof vest and have someone shoot you once in the chest with a .38 and we'll see how quickly your priorities change.

[Brock Lee]

His adrenaline levels were off the charts. It wouldn't have hurt as bad as you think.

[bull]

His adrenaline levels were off the charts. It wouldn't have hurt as bad as you think.

Maybe. But 2, 3, 4 rounds...? I imagine he would have at least been distracted and his task disrupted, maybe long enough for more people to get out of there alive.

[stripedelete]

After some reading I came to the conclusion that it just happens.  Some people do it.  

There are 300 million people in the USA.  That's a lot of opportunities to produce some loose screws.  If you roll the dice enough times then eventually you're gonna get just the right combination of factors to produce one of these killers.  

Spot on there.   Every time the population doubles so does everything else.

[Steve P.]

I think I good shot to the head would/could have at least knocked him out.. May have stopped the bullet, but sheer velocity could do it alone... Just don't miss!!! 

[bull]

Guns: Better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them.

[TK73]

Guns: Better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them.

I suppose there is the "right tool for the right job" saying too... Seems a 7.62 is not quite appropriate for a clogged drain... damn apartment maint guy is not happy AND the downstairs neighbors...

[Mytur Binsdirti]

Guns: Better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them.

How about; when seconds count, the police are minutes away.

[Cooter]

Maybe one thing we can do is figure out why some young males feel the need to massacre people when things don't go their way.

For the same reason people act so surprized when someone attempts to embarrass someone on an online forum in public, face to face, etc. and they get the third degree and someone shows up on their doorstep knocking on the door. You f*ck around some people and it's like a ticking time bomb waiting to explode. You just happened to be the person that set it off. Some folks are walking around with some serious problems right as we are reading this, yet, you always have one or two that can't understand why they got shot or whatever when they picked the wrong muthaf*cka to f*ck with. The bar has been raised to include, but limited to, killin' people when they feel they have been wronged. Of course, the attention it garners helps things along as well. Some people are secure in the fact that if confronted, they can and will resolve the situtation, others will f*ckin' kill your ass.


A mind is a terrible thing to screw with, especially, if it has some wiring problems from the git-go.

Ok, but the question is why. Why can most people handle adversity while a few others freak out and go postal?

IMO, it has nothing to do with never learning to fail, it has to do with CONSTANTLY failing. Once someone has had to deal with failure their entire life, it becomes old VERY quick..If you mess with someone once, twice, maybe even three times, they will tend to blow it off....Yet, try that sh*t for about 5 years and see who's at the wrong end of a gun then. People can only take so much. Everybody has their breaking point. Some just have a shorter fuse that's all.

IMO, Arming the public is a good move towards forcing these types to control themsleves long enough to live. Death was, is, and will always be the best deterrant to doing wrong.

[HPP]

I've seen a number of different studies that said the punishment of a crime was never a consideration to criminals contemplating an act. To say tougher sentences are required, up to and including death, to be doled out, it will, imo, not make a difference. Most perps think they can get away with it. That is why they try it.

However, those same studies have often shown that getting caught in the act by someone willing to apply the same force as the perp is a cause for concern. It still won't stop them from attempting the acts, in most cases, but they do think about it.

Case in point, Florida has reasonable laws around carrying firearms. After a recent round of updates to these laws, State officials noted an immediate increase in violent acts committed against tourist, who were almost decidedly unarmed. How do the perps know this? Well, because at the time, all rental car fleets in Florida carried the same prefix on their license plates so one had only to understand the lettering sequence to pick out who the best potential targets were. Once this was discovered, the plate requirements for fleets were changed and the crimes started to drop.

Colorado has similar laws and open carry is not unusual to see. However, because of that there are many places that have enacted restrictions on the open carry permissibility. Those typically include schools, government buildings, and movie theaters. I'm not sure how this relates to concealed carry permits however.


Related more to the immediate discussion of our freak in Aurora... something that may be relevant to this discussion but not address by almost anyone anywhere, even the media and crime analysts, is the fact that the front range of Colorado - the Denver metro area, Superior, Boulder, Loveland, etc, is largely a transplanted population that has lived here for less than ten years. Depending on the source, up to 70% of this population is from somewhere else. This creates a unique situation in that there is a lack of continuity among families and residents that creates an environment that is potentially more open to suggestion because you really don't know many people and no one is around to call you out or for that matter, support you when things get rough. Now, that isn't to suggest that this is an environment that creates freaks, but, like some have suggested, when things do break down, there is a lack of the intimate human networks that create the support that we all need at some time or another. Now in Colorado, since so many people are newbies, they tend to create a network of like minded people open to a degree of support of likewise new arrivals, but it certainly does not go as deep or as intimate as longer term associations. If, like Cooter suggests, you go through years of attacks, denials, and treatment that puts you outside the norm and you move to a place where everyone is an outsider and even the outsiders put you outside, it can have some crushing consequences. This isn't to make excuses for the actions in Aurora, as certainly something in that individual is broken, but rather to point out that there is a context that this occurred in that many are not considering.

[TheGhost]

Call it what you will. These assholes who do this, DO NOT FEAR GOD. May they burn in Hell

Neither do I, and not once have I thought about doing anything remotely like this.

[Budnicks]

I think it's due to NOT getting "ANY"....

You're right, but it's a matter of not getting "any" of the right thing.

   

[mauve66]

he didn't want to die, as soon as the cops showed up he gave himself up, if there had been armed people in the theater then he would of thought twice about it

he just wants the noteriety, his name won't fade away, this trial will go on for 1 year or even 2, maybe some of you are too young to know these names but history shows that the infamous are remembered just like the famous

every country has them, just people here don't know about them cause you can't read their language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_by_country

of course countries with an anglo population seem to have ALOT more than others.........

especially this country, but then we have alot more people than most countries
of course china is controlled beyond belief, no weapons allowed and the people in india are mostly too poor to buy guns i'm guessing, but of course with all these call centers going in they will be raking in the dough soon enough

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_serial_killers_in_the_United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population

[redmist]

He was wearing NO ARMOR. He had a "tactical vest" on, and thats it.  The body armor was a media spin piece, and it worked just like they wanted it to.

[bull]

He was wearing NO ARMOR. He had a "tactical vest" on, and thats it.  The body armor was a media spin piece, and it worked just like they wanted it to.

That would not surprise me in the least. It's hard to tell though if this is due to ignorance, purposeful distortion or the fact that the truth just plain doesn't promote the kind of hype that keeps the ratings/sales up where they'd like them to be. Not sure about TV news but as a newspaper reporter at a mid-sized paper for a couple of years and I can tell you that for sure, most reporters are either a little or a lot to the left of center. There was no "liberal conspiracy" there but they didn't have to conspire since all of them (but me) believed the same or similarly on social issues. I chaulked much of it up to them having next to no life experience off concrete other than the occasional hike in the park. If/when they report on muscle cars, hunting, farming, guns, rodeos, off road motor sports, etc., they have no experience to draw on other than what little they learned the last time they reported on it. Most of them grew up in the city, got their public school education, worked part-time flipping burgers, moved on to the university for their liberal arts degree and then got a job reporting news.

[Mike DC]

 

They just say whatever sounds most sensational, no more, no less. 


If the shooter's only guns had been a pair of raggedy old Colt .22 revolvers, they would still have said he was "armed with semiautomatic weapons." 

[redmist]

[Indygenerallee]

 

[TheGhost]

I like how the actual glock is under the ak47 category.

[Charger_Fan]

That's no shit, huh?

[Budnicks]

you are so right, that's funny...